hey meanjeans - Ohio St @ Illinois pregame thread (and predictions)
We are ranked 351 (of 353) in kenpom in luck. WTF*
Purely guessing that January needs some classes
LOL, I read that as "needs glasses". :-) What, no contacts or goggles? *
No new info on either AFAIK. (nm)
AJ FG% at the rim
Are we still running lob plays for him? I think I may've watched my last game against Nebraska*
Woof. He needs to shoot like 5 threes a game, and we need to run something
Blazer just flinched and he has no idea why
lmao. Well played*
ladies hoops won again. now 6-2*
see? #WeWillWin is real*
I assume they are playing a garbage schedule suited for a rebuilding bad team?
I get frustrated reading this.
we probably should have asked out of the gavitt games
Yeah, they're #130 in the Massey ratings with the #263 schedule
I think they are a little better this year.
pretty much. 2 losses were very close, to Sacramento State and @Clemson in OT*
I don't care what anyone says but not keeping Leron Black for 1 more year may be BU's undoing.*
tough job when his downfall might be not keeping a guy that he didn't recruit,
Obviously it's more than that.
Right. But Tilmon wasn't his recruit and who knows if Okoro was ever serious
See, to me, your answer contains why I don't feel sorry for BU.
Agree on Okoro, but I'm not sure what you can say about Tilmon.
every game at the fourteen minute mark, we fall apart, every single game*
Last night between 14:12 and 6:47 we got outscored 20-4. (nm)
Also seems to match our usual crystal ball profile
Is there some odd reason or just statistical blip*
To me it's just consistency - trying to put together 40 minutes.
that's also when the other team gets into the bonus/double bonus usually*
I said that below. Jerk.*
ding ding ding*
My concern is that our worst minutes tend to be the last ones. It’s not like we have a bad stretch
This is a great point. If roughy's theory is correct, the "bad minutes"
Well, to that I say that fatigue is a factor.
Just to be clear, I pretty much agree with you
our lack of adjustments is quite alarming*
I don't agree with that at all.
Except they do get much better, especially frosh-soph
I think that’s a good way to look at it
...and only has one RSCI top-100 player. *
I hate using RSCI as some kind of talent gauge
I'm now on Year 21 of using RSCI as my very first evaluation tool.
I developed a big dislike for it when Groce took over
Most likely the other team is already in the Double Bonus by then.*
so it's Illinois where BU's career record corrects to the mean, awesome!*
I know I sports differently but I just don't think it works like that.
ha I'm just being #grizzled*
I'm guessing he embarked on this approach thinking the recruiting would go far better than it has
I agree for the most part.
Just thinking, it was really critical that we handled our recruiting business in the fall period.
Don't worry Cockburn will be wowed by his visit at the end of December with no students around.*
the fan-chants-at-Ubben-game is strong here*
We do have the wholesale overhaul to point to and if the internal culture
the culture's improved so much we only have 1 guy suspended!*
to be fair...I didn't say it had. I said "if"*
When you hear "culture change" you think suspended players?
I do believe that he's made strides in improving the competitive culture of the team...
Yeah, my eye-test says that there's more buy-in.
the culture change stuff is such a bullshit excuse
It's part of it. not as big a part as something like 'all the players hate each other' or
JC is right, but I was more alluding to the buy in, the effort, the attitude in games and practice,
At the very least an assistant needs fired.
they've gotten guys interested and on campus, BU cant close
this is true, but I don't know if we know enough about WHY these guys are visiting...
We have no inherent advantage
I don't disagree. So while the asst coaches are bringing in these 4 & 5 star guys
Adonis is terrible. Ayo sucks. We can't make a layup. These teams we are playing aren't that good
don't despair, dude. it takes 2 decades to reap the rewards of a final four appearance.
he almost up an and1 per minute he was on the floor, awful*
FUJW! No more games at the UC!
Not gonna be in my lifetime.
Oh, and props on the prediction MC pretty damn close *
Hooky short! 33%?
Solid writeup, Walkon, well said*
I wouldn't be surprised if we didn't play a UC game next year
It's Rome pulling back from the British Isles
and every new Emperor we choose is inexplicably worse than the last*
Need our own Cincinnatus *
Wasn't that US Grant's horse?
Eff that, I want our Julius Caesar
Yep. Good stuff.*
Is this on a single page or am I going to blow my free clicks for the year to read it?*
well you only have a few weeks left in the year so go click crazy*
well, a good time was had before and during most of the game. Nice to meet some new boardies*
Sorry I missed you, couldn't make it out early enough. (nm)
yea, me too. I even said "yay, finally get to meet Waka!"..oh well, next time*
So tired of this script. Can we get a rewrite?
I kinda think we should fire Adam Fletcher*
does he implement schemes or something?*
am trying to figure out if this Carl is being sarcastic or not...*taps the meter**
He's surely talking about how we seemingly wear down every second half. which is true
right, but is that his fault or the fact that it takes a really special special
Carl has speculated previously that Fletcher's program is good at building mass
We suck this year. My hope is next we don’t suck quite as much.
If true, then Underwood needs to be gone next year unless there's a complete recruiting turnaround
I really have no idea what we have in Ayo.
C'mon. He's a very talented freshman getting his feet under him in a shitty situation.
Certainly not meaning to suggest that he won't be good.
IIRC, Deron wasn’t very good through the non conf either. Ayo will be fine.
Deron averaged 6.3 ppg as a freshman.*
well there ya go. Ayo is doubling that. No panic necessary. *
Yep--he was a solid game manager (exceptional for a frosh)
He and Trent don’t seem to play well off each other.
We were all worried that he couldn't shoot
Shaka just lost at home to VCU *
I'm genuinely depressed tonight. Sports are my outlet and my teams suck (other than bears) *
I really don't want to go full Chilango, but giving up Illinois basketball was liberating
I think this is true, but it's also not useful, because fandom isn't really a choice
That suggests to me that you probably never cared THAT much to begin with.
The only thing I can control are my expectations. I still care just as much, but I’m not expecting
this is me
Yep. Only caveat is if a MLS team comes to STL because I have no soccer affiliation. Other than that
Your MLS scenario is exactly what happened to me
Falling in love with MLS in St Louis would not diminish my other loves. Why would the sounders
As I have gotten older, I have less free time
Because he doesn't actually care about any of it. (nm)
not at all true. From 1990 to 2008 ish, nothing was more important*
I think leaving strengthened my fanship, and does for many.*
It absolutely did when I first moved to California
So where you live has nothing to do with it, then.*
Exactly. Moving to STL stoked my Cubs fire. And I was unaware of the Miznoz BS, but now HATE them.
So you chose soccer? To each their own, but no thanks*
Why does it matter where you live?
I just feel a much stronger connection to the teams where I live
But soccer sucks *
... which of course isn't an option for me. But thanks for sharing! *
It's always an option*
The teams where I live are the same teams from our youth*
The world wouldn't end if you stopped watching Illinois basketball and football*
"It helps to cheer for the teams where I live". "Illinois teams *are* the teams where i live".
I legit think you're on the spectrum
He’s probably Aspie, since it’s “stylish”
So this is how food-thread butthurt manifests itself.*
“I’m so glad I’m no longer a fan of a losing team”
Then why post in the thread?*
I came pretty close on the score prediction *
Officially dead last in the B1G in KenPom*
So would better ball movement help? Crisp passes and ball reversal should
There’s very little ball reversal right now.
The program is dead and it’s not coming back
Seriously whoever decided to have this game played at the UC...
I still wonder if there isn't some contractual obligation in play
There's not one that I know of. Reason given to me was Chicago marketing.
Yeah, clearly a bad decision by JW. Hopefully it won’t repeat*
Next year we should just host at a local high school and save ourselves a bunch of $*
friends and family night*
Smart decision to move game. Lol*
At least put it on a weekend. Week nights when students are on break.*
We don't get to choose the dates of conference games, the league does *
what a story he is writing.*
Fooling people left and right*
Garbage, dead program*
Sad, sad, sad*
I mean lest be honest, this is basketball you gotta make shots to win
From 12:44 to 6:35, we went 2-10. Made 2 layups, missed 3 layups
13 missed layups.*
6-24 against major programs*
6-3 at halftime. *
Time to lobby the NCAA to change the game to one 20 min half. Then #WeWillWin*
Du bu hust take the ball?*
Du Bu Hust will also sign with Ohio State and score 20 on us in a couple years*
Sit du bu, sit. Good dog.*
Learn something new every day, I always thought it was "Ubu". *
Du. Du hast. Du hast mich. *
classic du bu hust *
hooky short du bu hust *
Underwood literally taking his ball and going home *
worst start in 111 years?*
The outrage is cute. No effect on anytjing*
All bark. I bet most have tuned him out*
of course they have. it’s like watching last chance u without the winning.*
Hit the over*
LOL - BU can't even get a Technical*
Underwood angry face would haunt your dreams if you are on the other end of it*
What was the last UC game we won?*
wtf with some of these calls the past minute or two*
jfc this officiating. that was absolutely awful*
Just terrible, both ways *
yea...a lot of crap*
Mad brad *
is there any other? maybe paxson should’ve hired him.*
Built-in excuse: engage!*
We missed a ton of good looks in the second half*
agreed...and again, I am left with the feeling that we're close
Up to a 2 seed in the “really close/moral victory” NCAA Tourney Bracketology.
close to what?*
I kind of don't think we're close*
I agree. I swear they are close*
Ugh. TF is hurting bad *
Lack of finishing at the rim killing us. *
No, it’s lack of talent*
How many missed layups?????*
fake rally time*
Is that really a goaltend?*
Not to feed a fed horse, but it’s uncanny how familiar this looks...
Nearly every second half*
it’s so annoying....
Might as well feed two birds with one donut*
I can’t wait to see the Scout crowd tout “led OSU at the half” as an accomplishment*
It’ll be in JW’s post season letter to the fans.*
Maybe we will get another cool hashtag from the snake oil salesman*
We can't shoot and we can't defend*
BU should get tossed*
10 missed layups*
#### Brad Underwood*
BU is.not the problem. He can’t raise a sunken ship,
Yeah, bullshit. He could land some players in 2019. He’s directly responsible for two....
There is a reason recruits shun us
I despise him. And his boss.*
Boy Wonder sucks out loud.
This program is complete garbage. FUMT/FUJW.*
It is dead. We won’t be competitive anytime soon*
We would put Uni-High in the bonus in five minutes. *
Giorgi with the Kipper*
lol 22nd foul already, we avg 23*
3rd straight game GB has fouled out. Freshmaning*
####ing stupid Giorgi *
Oh look a double digit lead*
Can't score. Can't defend. Can't rebound. I mean, they can. They did in the first half.
Curing the cord was such a great move
I'm getting closer to cutting the cord*
Man, so many games like this already.*
Just about to post the same. Seen this movie so many times already*
We seem to get halftime adjusted to death. This sucks*
Eh, it was 54-53 them 8:00 into he half. I think this is a young team being susceptible to runs*
What was last year’s excuse?*
Just can't put it together for 40 min. 25 pts for them in less than 10 min*
call the travels*
And here is the bonus with 12 minutes left. About when it normally
Yep, on cue *
Damn, only reason his foot isn’t there is because of his teammate’s foot. *
Cheap early fouls starting to hurt now *
and their frickin reluctance to call the 4th on their big 3 times*
I don’t care if kipper misses 100 in a row if he’s gonna play like this. *
Man this version of Kipper makes such a difference *
one of the more mercurial players we've had*
unfortunately the temperature is usually freezing in basketball season.*
Would love to see him deliver down the stretch tonight. Could really jumpstart him*
jumpstart the whole team*
How was that not Wesson's 4th? BS Big Ten refs *
jfc these fouls*
ball don't lie - let's go!*
Giorgi is the best. -*
His footwork is pretty good for a big guy.*
Nice drive Kipper *
mostly good kipper tonight*
3 and-one’s this game.
Nice thing is...Trent got 2 fouls pretty early and we were able to overcome after
8 guys scored points for us
I think when Trent got his 2nd, he had 7 pts and no one else had more than 3*
Not bad, now have to put together another good half *
Free throws make points easy to score*
Shooting more than the other team is nice *
2 really good stretches for us that half and no prolonged droughts.
Great first half. Next ten minutes are key*
I'll take the first 5. Should be able to see if tOSU makes adjustments and how we react*
Hummell is not an Illinois fan.*
bc he's a C8cks&cer*
One day when he’s an upperclassmen DaMonte is gonna wallop
He’s nowhere near the playmaker his pop was but really useful player*
No, but he’s good enough to have his ‘game’ *
Wish we could use Damonte more. He has great instincts.*
Is it normal to stop a fast break to call a technical on the other team's coach? *
hmm, well look at that. A lead.*
Fouls: OSU 12, Illinois 9.*
yet another game thread where i expected to check the game score and assume we were down big*
Wow that makes you so much a better fan
i didn't say anything about anyone being a better or worse fan*
Not sure what you're reading, there aren't really many game comments
A lot of the pre-game stuff is negative, not surprising for a 2-6 team.
A lot of the pre-game stuff is negative, not surprising for a 2-6 team.
Second half after the better coach makes adjustments usually*
i'm bracing for that but just skimmed this and thought, we must be getting killed already*
We played 2 really good stretches and a few really bad stretches. Mixed bag tonight*
So is Tevian still out? Haven't seen him.*
Game 3 *
Yes. Still out indefinitely*
Yep, he's on the bench but not dressed. (nm)
orange sleevves, blue torso*
The good thing is that he's in the middle if the bench and not at the end. Hope he
I'm not worried about him yet.
Big guy gonna learn not to put that ball on the floor in the lane*
I don't think they can give him the ball that far out *
Ugh. Prime opportunity. Give Kane the ball!! :D. *
SAMBA TIME *
Young = Champ Kind from Anchorman *
Not a terrible last two minutes, you guys. *
another nice stretch...second nice stretch of the night*
Remember all the stats BS about scoring in the first 7 seconds?*
well, if you only count the times we score...*
They’re only shooting 44%. #progress *
This team is hopeless *
Hey now, our pressure defense has forced, er, two turnovers*
What a horseshit call*
OMG that's an awful call*
We went from playing fiercely to playing like dogs*
I'd really like to see Samba instead of ADLR at this point*
He's gotta be in BU's doghouse for something, right? Poor practices?
Not ready, has no idea where to be on the court *
Likely a lot of truth to this, but might as well learn by fire*
I'm all for it, especially in place of ADLR *
DLR looks like he can barely move. Painful to watch*
Presumably he can still redshirt.*
What are the rules on that now?*
Same as it ever was *
Is it 7 games?*
I think it’s still if you play one second, redshirt gone*
Yep, nothing changed *
Ok, then the dickhead in A who told me otherwise was just that
An injury red shirt max would be 30% of the season
that's what I get for listening to Chicago Joe...FREE SAMBA*
He could be “injured”.*
I suppose. FREE SAMBA*
IF that's the case, then fine. *
AJ is really good at them. Everyone else...meh*
They gon' lob it! *
Kipper is so bad*
So the kid from tOSU can just push us out of the way AND draw a foul on the putback?*
Lol at Kipper giving it to Giorgi in transition*
I'm so happy four thousand people are in attendance for this grand idea*
I can't tell if this is sarcasm or genuine and now I'm bummed. *
I know, but then I thought
No. This should be at SFC. Dumb idea. I get why, bit now is not the time.
That's much better for the team than full Krush at SFC.*
holy #### that's embarrassing*
Well we’re embarrassing so.....*
will it be better for recruitin if no one sees us?*
For some reason, it feels like the bleakness is too much. For some reason, I think #wewillwin*
with illinois sports, there is no bottom
Maybe someone will have a BP3ish performance.
Ayo has the ability to do it. But don't think he's there confidence-wise yet*
MAJOR UPDATE from Crossroads
IlliniSax just arrived!*
shit, its a who's who. PKR hammered yet?*
Getting there. Spackler's brother here. *
makisupa is here*
bjl63 has arrived. DE-MC represent*
prkr taken out the rec drugs yet?*
We lose by 15+ in front of another shitty UC crowd made up mostly of bucknut fans.*
mark it down: WE WILL WIN*
I agree with you
What's the rationale behind why the spread is only 5.5? *
trap game...tOSU overlooking an inferior opponent
Nah, they want to show off in one of their prime recruiting states
When it feels to good to be true it usually is. I'm not gonna play it but if I had to
it's so irrationally low that it's a stay away*
conf road game*
But it’s not. Hit OSU hard on that one.*
tOSU 83 - Young Guns 62*
We'll make 'em famous that's for sure*
tOSU 79 IL 62*
78-75 Illini. (nm)
I will enjoy a bad HS holiday concert more. 76-63 OSU*
Illini 74, Ohio State 68 *
Someone got laid last night.*
*wakes up from dream*
Pretty sure I'm not watching this. #fairweatherfan*
Damn, somehow never connected the dots that I’d be working downtown today...
Not sure I'll even watch this. Might as well cut the cord finally. /grizzled*
luzl, pretty much*
This is me. Can’t remember last time I didn’t watch or attend braggin’ rights.*
Had it on DVR, got one text at halftime that was positive: that was it.
We definitely do not cover*
welp, I wore a tie with tOSU colors, so I got that going for me*
I'm repping the nerds today
Another top-to-bottom embarrassment*
You coming or not?*
nah, mercifully, I have a holiday party tonight.