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Scathing piece from the Riverfront Times about the Cardinals probably seeking public money...

Posted by uofi1998 <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=uofi1998' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 17, 2024, 14:26:03

...to upgrade Busch Stadium in the next 2-5 years... for mostly back of the house things and "probably" cool stuff for the fans.

It's a long piece, but extremely well researched and cited. Talks about the, um, mistruths teams use to con the public into paying for stadiums. You guys have all seen this stuff before...

https://www.riverfronttimes.com/news/as-cardinals-seek-more-public-money-for-busch-stadium-experts-balk-42342850

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Jordan Walker sent down to Memphis*

Posted by CanHartlebHireSnider <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=CanHartlebHireSnider' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 24, 2024, 10:22:03, in reply to "Scathing piece from the Riverfront Times about the Cardinals probably seeking public money..."

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hard to believe they've successfully developed another top tier prospect into a AAAA guy. well done*

Posted by John Coctostan <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=John+Coctostan' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 24, 2024, 10:50:51, in reply to "Jordan Walker sent down to Memphis*"

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We’re past unlucky. Something is fundamentally broken*

Posted by CWR10 <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=CWR10' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 24, 2024, 10:51:55, in reply to "hard to believe they've successfully developed another top tier prospect into a AAAA guy. well done*"

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This team is putrid. Holy moly. *

Posted by illini <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=illini' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 21, 2024, 16:09:57, in reply to "Scathing piece from the Riverfront Times about the Cardinals probably seeking public money..."

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The Cardinals suck out loud*

Posted by CWR10 <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=CWR10' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 20, 2024, 19:01:04, in reply to "Scathing piece from the Riverfront Times about the Cardinals probably seeking public money..."

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only guys playing well are Gray, Winn, and Arenado. But no power at all on this team

Posted by DanSaint <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=DanSaint' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 21, 2024, 16:33:28, in reply to "The Cardinals suck out loud*"

Bullpen has been decent for the most part, but they just can't score any runs.

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Pretty surprising really. Ownership really dug deep this offseason. *

Posted by uofi1998 <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=uofi1998' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 20, 2024, 19:10:45, in reply to "The Cardinals suck out loud*"

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Did they find the old pitchers in that graveyard they were digging deep in?*

Posted by SurfTheBoneyard <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=SurfTheBoneyard' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 21, 2024, 16:20:15, in reply to "Pretty surprising really. Ownership really dug deep this offseason. *"

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Out of curiosity, has STL FC cut into the Cardinals ticket attendance at all?*

Posted by Sounder <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Sounder' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 17, 2024, 17:09:03, in reply to "Scathing piece from the Riverfront Times about the Cardinals probably seeking public money..."

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Out of curiosity, has STL FC cut into the Cardinals ticket attendance at all?*

Posted by Sounder <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Sounder' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 17, 2024, 17:09:02, in reply to "Scathing piece from the Riverfront Times about the Cardinals probably seeking public money..."

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Probably not

Posted by BradUnderwoodforprez <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=BradUnderwoodforprez' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 17, 2024, 17:54:45, in reply to "Out of curiosity, has STL FC cut into the Cardinals ticket attendance at all?*"

It is more the rather boring baseball on rinse repeat.

Deserved or not, the people of St. Louis are a bit sick of the Cardinals shit right now

Posted by CWR10 <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=CWR10' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 17, 2024, 16:19:55, in reply to "Scathing piece from the Riverfront Times about the Cardinals probably seeking public money..."

However the Cardinals are the last thing preventing downtown from being completely lost

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what’s the deal with all the crime in STL?

Posted by bbonb <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=bbonb' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 17, 2024, 16:54:56, in reply to "Deserved or not, the people of St. Louis are a bit sick of the Cardinals shit right now "

hey STL, you’re not Detroit or Chicago or SF. Chill out.

do you mean COUNTY or CITY?*

Posted by torinese <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=torinese' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 17, 2024, 17:32:32, in reply to "what’s the deal with all the crime in STL?"

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hey STL, you’re not Detroit or Chicago or SF. Chill out.

SF? We're dramatically safer than STL, Detroit or Chicago (unless you're a car window). *

Posted by haighter <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=haighter' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 17, 2024, 16:55:52, in reply to "what’s the deal with all the crime in STL?"

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hey STL, you’re not Detroit or Chicago or SF. Chill out.

my info comes solely from anecdotal X posts and hatred of the 49ers*

Posted by bbonb <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=bbonb' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 17, 2024, 17:05:38, in reply to "SF? We're dramatically safer than STL, Detroit or Chicago (unless you're a car window). *"

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hey STL, you’re not Detroit or Chicago or SF. Chill out.

Don't wear a Cowboys hat and don't leave your bag in your rental car...

Posted by haighter <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=haighter' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 17, 2024, 17:09:02, in reply to "my info comes solely from anecdotal X posts and hatred of the 49ers*"

...and you be fine.

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hey STL, you’re not Detroit or Chicago or SF. Chill out.

Chicken/egg. BPV also created a vacuum that hurt DT outside of the BPV area. *

Posted by uofi1998 <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=uofi1998' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 17, 2024, 16:50:36, in reply to "Deserved or not, the people of St. Louis are a bit sick of the Cardinals shit right now "

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However the Cardinals are the last thing preventing downtown from being completely lost

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Yep. Without population growth, it was always a zero sum game*

Posted by CWR10 <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=CWR10' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 17, 2024, 16:54:52, in reply to "Chicken/egg. BPV also created a vacuum that hurt DT outside of the BPV area. *"

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However the Cardinals are the last thing preventing downtown from being completely lost

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TBH, city/county/suburban issue in STL long outdates the presence of BPV.

Posted by uofi1998 <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=uofi1998' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 17, 2024, 16:59:23, in reply to "Yep. Without population growth, it was always a zero sum game*"

Despite revival of areas like Kiel Auditorium/Union Station, and the former TWA Dome, downtown has had issues for decades, especially adjacent to the north end.

At least that’s how I remember it.

I used to love STL Center as an older kid. Was a cool new/old downtown mall.

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The problems are definitely much more structural

Posted by CWR10 <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=CWR10' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 17, 2024, 17:07:18, in reply to "TBH, city/county/suburban issue in STL long outdates the presence of BPV. "

BPV was the nail in the coffin for surrounding entertainment districts that weren’t healthy to begin with. It’s not the reason for empty office buildings and declining resident populations.

Merging the county and city would be a start but I fear the downtown core will have to get much worse before it gets better.

At least the midtown corridor is thriving

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so pump tax money into their perfectly fine, less than 20 year old stadium?*

Posted by VIV <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=VIV' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 17, 2024, 16:23:12, in reply to "Deserved or not, the people of St. Louis are a bit sick of the Cardinals shit right now "

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However the Cardinals are the last thing preventing downtown from being completely lost

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"the sum value of my outfit will always be higher than yours."

The Texas Rangers conned the people of Arlington out of half a billion to build a new stadium

Posted by bbonb <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=bbonb' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 17, 2024, 16:52:35, in reply to "so pump tax money into their perfectly fine, less than 20 year old stadium?*"

despite the fact that the Ballpark in Arlington was only 22 years old and in fine shape. But it didn’t have a roof.

I guess it worked because the little red-shoed Rangers are WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS

Off the top of my head I think these teams are currently trying to extort local govt

Posted by CanHartlebHireSnider <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=CanHartlebHireSnider' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 17, 2024, 16:34:39, in reply to "so pump tax money into their perfectly fine, less than 20 year old stadium?*"

White Sox
Brewers
Diamondbacks
Cardinals
Royals
Rays
A's

I know the Guardians recently had renovations but not sure how paid for. I think Baltimore did as well.

Atlanta has been in their new park for a few years but they lasted less than 20 at Turner Field.

Just kind of crazy as most of these parks aren't all that old.

Everyone using Nashville as leverage. I will lol when/if the Cardinals try it.

Maryland set aside $600m for future use and changed revenue formula

Posted by Potomac <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Potomac' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 17, 2024, 16:38:31, in reply to "Off the top of my head I think these teams are currently trying to extort local govt"

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Yeah I remember now Angelos playing games. Hopefully Rubinstein is better than that failson*

Posted by CanHartlebHireSnider <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=CanHartlebHireSnider' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 17, 2024, 16:40:30, in reply to "Maryland set aside $600m for future use and changed revenue formula "

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I don’t agree with giving them taxpayer dollars. Especially for things to juice their revenue*

Posted by CWR10 <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=CWR10' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 17, 2024, 16:28:44, in reply to "so pump tax money into their perfectly fine, less than 20 year old stadium?*"

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However the Cardinals are the last thing preventing downtown from being completely lost

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That is the thing I don't quite get

Posted by BradUnderwoodforprez <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=BradUnderwoodforprez' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 17, 2024, 16:28:16, in reply to "so pump tax money into their perfectly fine, less than 20 year old stadium?*"

You have a really nice stadium as far as stadiums go, that is 18 years old. Where are you pumping 500 million in to it?

To suck even more money out of the fans’ pockets*

Posted by IlliniRunner <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=IlliniRunner' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 17, 2024, 17:29:58, in reply to "That is the thing I don't quite get"

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You have a really nice stadium as far as stadiums go, that is 18 years old. Where are you pumping 500 million in to it?

“Probably” some cool stuff for the fans. *

Posted by uofi1998 <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=uofi1998' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 17, 2024, 16:49:53, in reply to "That is the thing I don't quite get"

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You have a really nice stadium as far as stadiums go, that is 18 years old. Where are you pumping 500 million in to it?

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That opening home attendance….eek*

Posted by John Coctostan <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=John+Coctostan' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 17, 2024, 16:20:51, in reply to "Deserved or not, the people of St. Louis are a bit sick of the Cardinals shit right now "

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However the Cardinals are the last thing preventing downtown from being completely lost

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I didn't realize DeWitt was a multi-generational grifter*

Posted by ghost_of_clt <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=ghost_of_clt' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 17, 2024, 16:09:39, in reply to "Scathing piece from the Riverfront Times about the Cardinals probably seeking public money..."

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I am Haru of the Takagure dojo.

Do not forget that.

Nor did I. That said…

Posted by uofi1998 <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=uofi1998' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 17, 2024, 16:53:49, in reply to "I didn't realize DeWitt was a multi-generational grifter*"

…judging from the content of the piece, he seems to be an owner whose wealth is largely a function of owning the team, and not necessarily independent wealth outside of baseball.

If that’s indeed true, and I don’t know if it is, that explains a lot about why the team doesn’t spend like the fans want it to.

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