Yeah, don't waste your time trying to sell me on Zwan. I grew up on The Pumpkins but aren't a big enough Billy fan to check out his side projects. And I would only listen to one of the new albums under the Pumpkins name if it got a great review in Mojo or close to universal acclaim in all other publications.
"Machina I've only listened to maybe three times in full in its entirety. It has some great (if utterly, spectacularly overproduced) songs like "Age Of Innocence" and "The Everlasting Gaze," but the whole thing was just a big bloated mess to me on full listen."
You're talking about parts 1 *and* 2? Some folks seem to think part 2 is superior (that's where the cut I mentioned originates) but it definitely seems like it really should have been a single 45-60 minute album rather than a 70 minute part 1 and a 90 minute (!) part 2. And even *then* it probably would have still paled in comparison to the earlier albums