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Charlie Kirk takes a bullet for Trump Posted by greenman on September 10, 2025, 3:55 pm Valued Poster Oh, dear...will this be the incident that lets der Trumpenfuehrer declare martial law? https://abcnews.go.com/US/charlie-kirk-shot-event-utah-university-jd-vance/story?id=125451514 Trump says 'We all must pray.' Still praying for your demise, Donnie. Why hasn't your God answered my prayers? Huh? -greenman

Three questions Posted by Trish on September 12, 2025, 7:13 pm, in reply to "Charlie Kirk takes a bullet for Trump" Admin 1. why did most mentions of 9/11 disappear behind this crap? 2. Why was there no outrage about the children killed in a school shooting the same day 3. Why was there no outrage or half-mast flags for Melissa Hortman. She and her husband, Mark Hortman? The hypocrisy is outstandingly ugly

22 year old confessed killer in custody! Posted by Sia on September 12, 2025, 11:07 am, in reply to "Charlie Kirk takes a bullet for Trump" ADMIN

Yayy Posted by greenman on September 12, 2025, 1:47 pm, in reply to "22 year old confessed killer in custody!" Valued Poster While murder is and should be a crime punishable by the courts in a just society, it still doesn't make little Charlie a martyr. Though the Right may be counted on to do so. -greenman

I guess Charlie got what he wanted Posted by greenman on September 11, 2025, 8:13 am, in reply to "Charlie Kirk takes a bullet for Trump" ..to die for his beloved 2nd Amendment. Maybe Trump supporters need to be concerned about those 'God-given rights' after all.. -greenman

I was gonna post this but forgot. How HORRIFYING!! He wasn't such a great person, but C'MON people Posted by Sia on September 10, 2025, 6:27 pm, in reply to "Charlie Kirk takes a bullet for Trump" Of America. Murder is wrong on every level! Whomever did this is a monster! Much worse than his victim!

Have you seen Trump's hypocrisy? Posted by greenman on September 11, 2025, 8:16 am, in reply to "I was gonna post this but forgot. How HORRIFYING!! He wasn't such a great person, but C'MON people" Valued Poster He flew into a (predictable) rage last night on TrumpTwit, lashing out at the Left for 'provoking' the killing with 'inflammatory rhetoric.' What else has he done SINCE HE TOOK OFFICE? What goes around, comes around, Donnie.. -greenman

Of course I have. However, two wrongs may feel fair and just, but they still Posted by Sia on September 11, 2025, 8:30 am, in reply to "Have you seen Trump's hypocrisy?" ADMIN remain WRONG and will never make it right.! trump is a terrible person and an incorrigible hypocrite. That doesn't make it okay for me or anyone else to be just like him. Charlie Kirk wasn't a good man in my estimation. That still doesn't give me the right to kill him nor anyone else I deem offensive. We all know what a pig trump is. Let's not join his mud puddle.

I guess it's becoming as Eastwood said in 'Unforgiven' Posted by greenman on September 11, 2025, 8:33 am, in reply to "Of course I have. However, two wrongs may feel fair and just, but they still" ''Deserve's' got nothin' to do with it.' I predict things will get worse before they get better, if ever.. -greenman

ps - I don't think this was 'fair and just' Posted by greenman on September 11, 2025, 8:36 am, in reply to "I guess it's becoming as Eastwood said in 'Unforgiven'" Valued Poster I do think it was kinda predictable. -greenman

Predictable that some nut would take it unto themselves to take innocent life? Posted by TW on September 12, 2025, 10:49 am, in reply to "ps - I don't think this was 'fair and just'" Valued Poster Yup! It happens quite often. Particularly in Blue cities where progressives release and deliver light punishments for criminals. Cashless bail and other nonsense under the guise of crap like restorative justice. Innocent people are the victims of such idiocy. Those that implement that progressive garbage are seldom subject to the dangers their actions spawn.

White, religious family, republican, trump supporter Posted by Trish on September 12, 2025, 7:01 pm, in reply to "Predictable that some nut would take it unto themselves to take innocent life?" Admin

Predictable bigotry Posted by greenman on September 12, 2025, 1:45 pm, in reply to "Predictable that some nut would take it unto themselves to take innocent life?" Valued Poster Every Rightie thug who has cheered on Trump's NIGHTLY displays of hatred and provocation against the Left projects their hatred and rage ONTO the Left in turn, due to their years of programming by the likes of Limbaugh, Reagan, Gingrich and Trump. You're no exception. -greenman

You toss the word "bigotry" around like the rest of the progressive liberal myrmidons. Posted by TW on September 12, 2025, 3:12 pm, in reply to "Predictable bigotry" Valued Poster Like it's part of some handbook those on the left religiously follow. We've seen that crap for years, and the vast majority are on to it now. That's why the Democrat party is currently tanking, too. A one-trick pony is only good for so long. The Democrats have worn out their act. Calling those on the right racists, bigots, homophobes, and all the other nonsense has worn thin. Since it has never been true. Until you guys realize that and buck up your beliefs with some reason, logic, and substance, you will continue to tank. But by all means, continue to emote if that's what smokes your shorts. Personally, I believe it is best when both parties have plenty of substance in their platforms. Present those ideas and make their cases for those ideas to the public, and then hopefully implement the best ideas. Make those cases with facts, reason, and logic. Not vacuous hopey changey feelings nonsense.

You toss the word 'myrmidons' around like you knew what it meant Posted by greenman on September 12, 2025, 8:12 pm, in reply to "You toss the word "bigotry" around like the rest of the progressive liberal myrmidons." Valued Poster ..or thought it made you sound like Buckley. Who was an elitist pr---ck, though far smarter than you are. The rest of your post is the predictable hate-stinking Trumpist drivel, though you claim to despise him. I think that, like most rightist claims, that one can be safely discarded. Your side are weasels in love with a traitorous con-man. Your opinions are as hateful as they are laughable. -greenman

That's not fair. Plenty of crime happens across America committed by folks of Posted by Sia on September 12, 2025, 10:58 am, in reply to "Predictable that some nut would take it unto themselves to take innocent life?" a variety of viewpoints, both in blue cities and red America. This one happened to be an extremist lefty, while extremist righties committed the recent murders & shootings of Democrats in Minnesota. Not just the representatives but their spouses too! This hatred is not a reflection on law enforcement or cops, but of the degree of hatred in politics!!

It is fair. Yes...crime happens everywhere. In places where it happens often, and where habitual Posted by TW on September 12, 2025, 12:24 pm, in reply to "That's not fair. Plenty of crime happens across America committed by folks of" Valued Poster criminals are not treated as they should be, innocent people are made to suffer all the more. Those are just the cold, hard facts. We've seen it too many times to blow it off as some sort of anomaly. Much of the excesses of crime can be pinned upon progressive ideology. The young lady that was stabbed to death on a train is one of the latest examples of what happens when criminals are not given their justly earned punishments. We have plenty more in the case of the progressive ideology that allows criminal illegal aliens to roam our nation and murder, rape, assault, engage in drug running, human trafficking, and commit numerous other crimes against American citizens. Sanctuary cities and states are devoid of the basics of common sense. Yet they still abound. Why? So the elite idiocy can virtue signal at the great expense of ordinary citizens.

This statement is an atrocious lie, which you cannot support Posted by greenman on September 12, 2025, 1:49 pm, in reply to "It is fair. Yes...crime happens everywhere. In places where it happens often, and where habitual" Valued Poster "Much of the excesses of crime can be pinned upon progressive ideology." I blame all crime on Rightist violence, slander, and lies. Prove me wrong. -greenman

"light punishment for criminals"... Posted by Skye on September 12, 2025, 10:55 am, in reply to "Predictable that some nut would take it unto themselves to take innocent life?" You mean like for criminals like Trump? Or for "Christians" who believe all their sins are forgiven and washed away with the blood of the innocent? What was that you were saying about "hypocrites"?

Can you guys make a post without invoking Trump? Posted by TW on September 12, 2025, 12:32 pm, in reply to ""light punishment for criminals"..." Valued Poster I think the mental health experts probably have a name for such an unyielding focus. Particularly since I don't like Trump and never did. I don't disagree with the majority of what is said about Trump here. As long as it is factual. I don't even think Charlie Kirk was that fond of Trump, but saw him as the lesser of 2 evils. Just like you guy saw Biden and Kamala as the lesser of 2 evils. Heck! Even I can realize that and have an understanding and appreciate of your personal opinion. Along with your right to have it. Surely you didn't believe Biden or Kamala to be stellar human beings with outstanding abilities to lead a nation. Woe is us to be put in such a predicament.

Why do you hide from him? Posted by greenman on September 12, 2025, 1:50 pm, in reply to "Can you guys make a post without invoking Trump?" Valued Poster Especially when every statement you make in here slavishly supports his Nazi-style ideology? -greenman

Well as soon as you can show ... Posted by TW on September 12, 2025, 3:03 pm, in reply to "Why do you hide from him?" Valued Poster where every statement I make here slavishly supports his Nazi-style ideology, I'll be glad to explain my reasoning. I'd have to say I do not support or I disagree with roughly half of what Trump says and does. Some of my conservative/libertarian beliefs coincide with Trump's agenda, but that doe not make me a Trump lover. I supported Biden's assistance to Ukraine, but that didn't make me a Biden lover. You guys need to quit lumping me in with the MAGA nuts. And by nuts, I mean the one's that support Trump and stand up for his behaviors, no matter what he says or does.

I don't have to 'show' anything. Posted by greenman on September 12, 2025, 9:24 pm, in reply to "Well as soon as you can show ..." Valued Poster You show your treasonous agenda with every reactionary, extremist post. You're the enemy. -greenman

If the felon is the topic, or topic includes him, then he should be mentioned. Posted by Pikes Peak 14115 on September 12, 2025, 1:41 pm, in reply to "Can you guys make a post without invoking Trump?" ADMIN There is no way you can realisticallu, rationally compare the morals, ethics, honesty, integrity, and truthfulness of Biden, and Harris with the felon as a level field of play for a coin flip choice which is the lesser evil. Kirk's killer appears to be conservative. Kirk was radical far right. The felon isn't anything. You can look away from a painting, but you can't listen away from a symphony

I doubt if Kirk's killer was a conservative. If he wasn't somewhat nutty, he was Posted by TW on September 12, 2025, 3:22 pm, in reply to "If the felon is the topic, or topic includes him, then he should be mentioned. " Valued Poster drunk on politics. I think this piece goes a long way towards covering that scenario. The Guillotine of Goodness Politics are much like alcohol. Some people can indulge responsibly. Others cannot. Those unable to exercise restraint in consumption often bring a dark cloud upon themselves and those around them. America cannot be governed by a nation of political addicts any more than it can be governed by a nation of drunks. This brings us to the assassination of Charlie Kirk. It comes after a string of murders and attempted murders by criminals who were over-served politics. The near assassination of President Trump, the murder of children at Annunciation Catholic School, the burning of pro-Israel demonstrators in Boulder, the killing of a health insurance executive in Manhattan, and the slaughter of six school children in Nashville were all inspired, or at least connected to, progressive ideology. Almost all elected Democratic officials swiftly condemned Kirk’s assassination. That should be acknowledged and welcomed, though it is sad that the condemnation of murder is today considered laudable. The voters who elected those officials are a different beast. If social media tells the tale, political violence is now a cause célèbre in the sewers of TikTok, Reddit, and the progressive microblogging platform Bluesky. A young father of two precious children and a loving wife was slaughtered before hundreds of people and beamed instantly into millions of social media feeds. And the progressive base, nestled in these digital ghettos, has responded with grotesque delight. Pew, Gallup, and other national pollsters have observed a multi-decade trend amongst this political subset. In increasing numbers, the left has abandoned faith and patriotism. Progressives have become prone to replacing the moral vacuum created by the departure of religion and civic allegiance with politics. They have become drunk on righteousness, high on their own ideological supply. They have assigned moral value to their political ideals, which can best be summarized as “my beliefs make me a good person and all behavior in pursuit of those beliefs is justified.” Progressives do not have a monopoly on political violence. But they do seem to have cornered the market. And politics, a softer word for the appetite for power, seems to have a stronger grip on their hearts. Politics, like alcohol, can distort reality and judgment. When United Health Care CEO Brian Thompson was executed in cold blood, it was The New Republic that penned the killer’s manifesto, noting “the sad role that Thompson played in a system that increasingly prioritizes shareholder profits over successful medical outcomes for its clients.” When two innocent Israeli embassy staffers, Yaron Lischinsky and Sarah Milgrim, were shot in the streets outside an American Jewish Committee event, the killer exalted in the righteousness of the act, shouting “free Palestine… I did it for Gaza.” On TikTok, an influencer with a large audience responded to Kirk’s murder with a distasteful, “live by the sword, die by the sword. He did say that gun deaths were an acceptable side effect of gun rights.” The approvals were registered and tallied in real time, with mouse clicks on pixelated hearts and thumbs up and emojis of clapping hands. It follows a predictable pattern. The left often starts by claiming a victim was a tyrant. They frame murder as justice. They insist that the violence was regrettable but necessary for good to prevail. And they complete the thought by knighting the killer a hero rather than denouncing a common criminal. Their glee is not a historical anomaly. The joyful exaltations of Too Online leftists, delighted by the violence and assured in the sanctity of their beliefs, invoke the Jacobins’ cheers that drowned the Place de la Révolution at each thump of the French guillotine. A mortified Englishman observed, “When the knife has done its work, they cry out, ‘Vive la République!’ as if some great victory had been won.” So too did Russian revolutionaries admire their own sense of justice when they assassinated Tsar Nicholas II. “This is not murder, but the beginning of freedom.” The execution of the Romanov family, including five young children, did not free the Russian people, but rather ushered in one of the most brutal and repressive regimes in human history, the Soviet Empire. Charlie Kirk’s assassin was one deranged person. But the murderer seems to carry with him the approval of millions, intoxicated in their own righteousness, unified in their commitment to progressive ideals, drunk on their political fancies, emboldened the unshakeable goodness of their beliefs, and perhaps themselves tempted earn the accolades of the mob by slaying a Senator, or a judge, or a columnist guilty of the same Wrong Think espoused by that young father and husband. “Terror,” lectured Maximilien Robespierre after sending 1,300 people to the guillotine in a month, “is nothing other than prompt, severe, inflexible justice; it is therefore an emanation of virtue.” The modern progressive left is drunk on its own virtue. One hopes they sober up soon, lest we all suffer the hangover. Source: https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/the-guillotine-of-goodness/

Kirk is 100% commited to THE FELON Posted by Pikes Peak 14115 on September 12, 2025, 8:43 pm, in reply to "I doubt if Kirk's killer was a conservative. If he wasn't somewhat nutty, he was" ADMIN I"ll just take one Kirk issue. He expressed concern about the $35 trillion debt being grown and left to the young people in that audience. He, like so many others, totally misunderstands the debt and that figure. Left entirely out is the annual revenue that PAYS that debt. When revenue is short, that creates a deficit, and THAT is the number about which we should be concerned. The Bush II presdiency began with a balanced budget. and a surplus, which was refunded to tax payers. Immersion in the two wars reignited deficit producing cycles that grew the deficit to about $3.5 trillion before W left office. Obama reduced spending by reduction of his budgets, so when he left office the deficit was down to about $700 billion. The felon's tax cuts and budget spending grew the deficit back to a record $4.5 trillion. Biden's budgets cut spending and reduced the deficit to about $1.3 trillion. The felon's BBB combined with his tax cuts and tariffs will grown that deficit by $4.5 trillion more, to something over $6 trillion. There ain't NUTHIN' conservative about that! You can look away from a painting, but you can't listen away from a symphony

Name ONE Progressive who's committed a political crime of violence. Posted by greenman on September 12, 2025, 8:23 pm, in reply to "I doubt if Kirk's killer was a conservative. If he wasn't somewhat nutty, he was" Valued Poster I'm calling you a liar. Again. -greenman

Can't get through a thread without citing NR babble, eh? Posted by SJW on September 12, 2025, 6:32 pm, in reply to "I doubt if Kirk's killer was a conservative. If he wasn't somewhat nutty, he was" Valued Poster

Nonsense Posted by Skye on September 12, 2025, 1:20 pm, in reply to "Can you guys make a post without invoking Trump?" Valued Poster You say you don't like Trump, but your words indicate that you do... at least you like how he threatens and treats "liberals" for whom you obviously have a stronger dislike for, even if irrational. Liberals believe in freedom and equal justice under the law. Why do you have a problem with that? And why do you ignore the higher crime rates in so-called conservative states and cities?

C'mon! You mean conservative states like Missouri, that have 2 large Blue cities in which the bulk Posted by TW on September 12, 2025, 3:48 pm, in reply to "Nonsense" Valued Poster of the crime statistics nasty numbers come from? You can add liberal Columbia to that collection as well. I think a lot of areas cheat on their reporting of crime as well. Most areas with crime have hotspots of crime. Those hotspots can be improved upon if there is better policing and harsh punishments handed out. You're obviously confusing me with someone else. I find Trump's behavior appalling and unpresidential. Which I found similar in Joe Biden, only he did it with a bit more class. Trump is pretty classless for the most part. All big cities tend to have a lot of crime. Some of that is just the nature of the beast. The Blue cities that have bought into defunding the police, cashless bail, low prosecution rates, and lax penalties are suffering considerably more. That is clearly borne out by facts.

So why isn't Trump sending troops into red states like Missouri and Tennessee... Posted by Skye on September 12, 2025, 9:14 pm, in reply to "C'mon! You mean conservative states like Missouri, that have 2 large Blue cities in which the bulk" Valued Poster since the crime rates are higher in St. Louis and Memphis than they are in Chicago or elsewhere? He won't even acknowledge the numbers when they don't show what he wants them to. He just continues to lie, and you so willingly spread the lies for him. It's all a political game to him, and it's all about grabbing and holding onto power. He lives to lie and stoke hatred and anger, because that is what he feeds upon, and it's how he got elected. He knows that, and you do, too.

Here's a clue, dummy. Posted by greenman on September 12, 2025, 8:21 pm, in reply to "C'mon! You mean conservative states like Missouri, that have 2 large Blue cities in which the bulk" Valued Poster Big cities, whichever party you choose to link them to, virtually ALWAYS have a higher crime rate than small towns and rural areas. This has been true since the days of ancient Sumer. Greater concentrations of people create greater concentrations of vice, crime, and bad human behavior. That's so obvious that it shouldn't need mentioning; and yet, idiots always mention it and misunderstand it. Two things about it in the U.S. are: One, those cities are more likely to be run by Dems, due to voting patterns which result from a variety of factors, and.. ..two, those cities have a higher concentration of minorities, whom racist Republicans blame for all crime and bad behavior even while dismissing and despising them. Your party is beneath contempt, hypocritical, racist, xenophobic and manipulative. You are their worthy representative. -greenman

statistics say otherwise Posted by Trish on September 12, 2025, 7:07 pm, in reply to "C'mon! You mean conservative states like Missouri, that have 2 large Blue cities in which the bulk" Admin https://mb.boardhost.com/CivilizedDiscussion/msg/1757718356.html

In this case, it is reasonable to point out trump's criminal activities even Posted by Sia on September 12, 2025, 12:49 pm, in reply to "Can you guys make a post without invoking Trump?" if you don't like Trump. You claimed that liberal Democrat cities are all bastions of crime, so pointing out that the (mis)leader of the opposition party is extremely criminal and that the majority of his extremists who commit crimes are from rural America predominantly. Crime absolutely isn't a LIBERAL trait. All bug cities have plenty of crime, not because the tend to be liberal, but because tge more people crowded into an area, the more opportunities and easier crime is. I don't think that anyone has ever done studies on the political leanings of random street criminals. Cities are full of multiple political persuasion. Who says the majority of CRIMINALS there are liberals?? I'd wager that they may be apolitical, not members of a specific party.

Many may be apolitical, but if they had to vote, they'd vote Democrat. Posted by TW on September 12, 2025, 3:51 pm, in reply to "In this case, it is reasonable to point out trump's criminal activities even" Valued Poster Why? Because too many Democrats believe in excessive leniency and less policing. Many actually excuse criminal behavior as being the result of society's "unfairness".

I vote Dem because of Republicans, true. Posted by greenman on September 12, 2025, 8:25 pm, in reply to "Many may be apolitical, but if they had to vote, they'd vote Democrat." Valued Poster The rest of your post is made up of lies and slander. ZERO Dems are pro-crime. -greenman

By the numbers - data for your false claims Posted by Trish on September 12, 2025, 7:05 pm, in reply to "Many may be apolitical, but if they had to vote, they'd vote Democrat." Admin 2024 analysis by the think tank Third Way found that murder rates in states that voted for Donald Trump were 33% higher than in states that voted for Joe Biden in both 2021 and 2022. This pattern has held true for every year this century. Widening gap: The gap in murder rates between red and blue states has widened over the past two decades. Between 2000 and 2020, murder rates increased 39.4% in red states compared to just 13.4% in blue Three red states are the most violent red states like Louisiana, Mississippi, and Alabama as having some of the highest murder rates in the country,

The felon asking us to pray is like Jesus asking us to murder, or lie Posted by Pikes Peak 14115 on September 10, 2025, 4:42 pm, in reply to "Charlie Kirk takes a bullet for Trump" Kirk asked for it. Advocated for it. It is still wrong. Tbh I didn't know much about Charlie Kirk other than what he said publicly as a conservative activist. I do not understand his attachment to the felon, 100% the opposite kind of man from the Charlie Kirk I read about online. This may turn many MAGA evangelicals BACK to the felon. If there are religious implications, the felon is the antichrist, and following MAGA is doomed. Reason to declare martial law? Hardly. But the felon may try it, and if he can't now, some of his MAGA may be willing to die to implement it in the near future, and likely before the 2026 election. You can look away from a painting, but you can't listen away from a symphony

He's dead. Posted by greenman on September 10, 2025, 5:46 pm, in reply to "The felon asking us to pray is like Jesus asking us to murder, or lie" Valued Poster Before Trumpsterism, I'd have been horrified. Political assassination can NEVER be acceptable! I have to condemn this! That was before Trump started taking over America...before the occupation troops rolled in. Now? It's like the assassination of Heydrich. I can only hope the assassin's town isn't burned and leveled. -greenman

IMHO, we all still need to be horrified! This is WRONG on every level! We cannot become that which Posted by Sia on September 10, 2025, 6:32 pm, in reply to "He's dead." ADMIN we abhor by justifying his murder, lest we become evil ourselves!! We don't have to mourn such a man, but we also should not cheer his death by murder! Just my humble opinion, YMMV

Absolutely! Posted by Poppet on September 11, 2025, 3:07 am, in reply to "IMHO, we all still need to be horrified! This is WRONG on every level! We cannot become that which " ADMIN Assassination to silence political opinion is utterly anti-democratic.

If that's all it was, I'd agree. Posted by greenman on September 11, 2025, 7:53 am, in reply to "Absolutely!" Valued Poster The anti-democratic nature of Trump's regime, however, makes that a moot point. I hate to say 'They started it,' but they did. Should be interesting to see if it becomes a shooting war.. -greenman

Indeed there does come a point at which a side can't cling to the high ground. Posted by Poppet on September 12, 2025, 10:51 am, in reply to "If that's all it was, I'd agree." ADMIN Have we reached that point? I don't have an answer to that question...

Nor do I Posted by greenman on September 12, 2025, 1:51 pm, in reply to "Indeed there does come a point at which a side can't cling to the high ground." Valued Poster I pray that we may never reach it. -greenman

Was that just a figure of speech? Posted by TW on September 12, 2025, 4:04 pm, in reply to "Nor do I" Valued Poster

F--- off. Posted by greenman on September 12, 2025, 8:26 pm, in reply to "Was that just a figure of speech?" Valued Poster -greenman

I agree. Posted by dancing digits on September 11, 2025, 12:31 am, in reply to "IMHO, we all still need to be horrified! This is WRONG on every level! We cannot become that which " Valued Poster Committing an act of evil in order to thwart what one believes is evil is a contradiction. One becomes what one condemns. I am NO fan of Kirk's, but this was NOT the way to oppose him. Be the change. . .

He was only 31, married and left behind his widow and 2 children, 3 yr old daughter, 1 year old son. Posted by Sia on September 10, 2025, 7:37 pm, in reply to "IMHO, we all still need to be horrified! This is WRONG on every level! We cannot become that which "

Kirk's family devotion appears impeccable Posted by Pikes Peak 14115 on September 10, 2025, 9:14 pm, in reply to "He was only 31, married and left behind his widow and 2 children, 3 yr old daughter, 1 year old son." ADMIN He appears to have been a devoted husband and dedicated father who cherished his wife, and children, and a beautiful faith and belief in God. To be stongly conservative is one thing. To attach to a felon who represents none of the life values Kirk exemplified is a real puzzle and one of the worst blind pitfalls of conservatism. The felon and MAGA will likely milk this for all the political leverage and justification they can. I don't believe for one second the felon gives a sh!t about Charlie Kirk. This assassination may be what he needed to escape responsibility for his documented involvement in the Epstein files. You can look away from a painting, but you can't listen away from a symphony

Appearances are not always what they seem. Posted by Skye on September 12, 2025, 10:40 am, in reply to "Kirk's family devotion appears impeccable" Valued Poster Then again, sometimes they are. Some people can put on a good act, but usually the truth comes out. I cannot believe that a 'good person' could support someone like Trump who is so obviously dishonest, cruel, selfish and corrupt, and cheated on every wife he ever had. How could a good person pretend to be so 'godly' and then disparage or put down women, Jews, blacks, or anyone they don't see as 'holy' as them? How could they be a good husband, father or citizen while leading or teaching their children and family to be like that?

Unexplainable dichotomy Posted by Pikes Peak 14115 on September 12, 2025, 12:58 pm, in reply to "Appearances are not always what they seem." ADMIN How can you be a moral person and endorse the felon, or MAGA? How can you be an ethical person and endorse the felon, or MAGA? How can you be an honest person and endorse the felon, or MAGA? How can you be a Christian and endorse the felon, or MAGA? How can you be a Jew, Hindu, or Muslim and endorse the felon, or MAGA? It is an irreconcilable dichotomy. You can look away from a painting, but you can't listen away from a symphony

Lesser of 2 evils situation. Posted by TW on September 12, 2025, 4:03 pm, in reply to "Unexplainable dichotomy" Valued Poster After all that has happened and has been revealed about Joe Biden, and you still seem to think he was a paragon of virtue. How can you be a moral person and endorse the felon, or MAGA? Joe Biden and half his family should be convicted felons. How can you be an ethical person and endorse the felon, or MAGA? Joe Biden and half his family should be convicted felons. How can you be an honest person and endorse the felon, or MAGA? Joe Biden and half his family should be convicted felons. How can you be a Christian and endorse the felon, or MAGA? Joe Biden and half his family should be convicted felons. How can you be a Jew, Hindu, or Muslim and endorse the felon, or MAGA? Joe Biden and half his family should be convicted felons. Add to that the pardons, the autopen questions, the fact that many hid Biden's mental decline. Who the hell was running the country. It was obviously not Biden. As well as a host of other complaints. Many of those complaints similar to your complaints of Trump. Here's a big hint for you. A bum like Trump ran and won because Biden and the Democrats were perceived by enough people to put Trump in the driver's seat. While some MAGA nuts may love Trump, for many, he was the lesser of 2 evils. The Democrats tanking big-time in the polls should be a bonus hint for you. That and the fact that most rightly perceived Kamala as a big fat ZERO. Lesser of 2 evils is no way to run a country.

The moment yoiu wrote "Biden crime family," you lost Posted by Pikes Peak 14115 on September 12, 2025, 8:58 pm, in reply to "Lesser of 2 evils situation." Because you don't like somebody doesn't make them criminal. I don't like the felon and he is a convicted criminal. He would have more than 100 felony convictions if time didn't run out on his trials. We can thank a combination of Garland's poor timing and ineffectiveness, and protection the felon received from Aileen Cannon which gave him delay time. There is all the evidence of Biden crime James Comer uncovered after four years and $100 million of investigation. What did they find? Absolutely NOTHING. You can look away from a painting, but you can't listen away from a symphony

You support the greater evil Posted by greenman on September 12, 2025, 8:28 pm, in reply to "Lesser of 2 evils situation." Valued Poster ..pretend to dislike him, and basically endorse his fascist agenda and hatred for 'Libs,' Dems and the Left. You are a useful idiot. -greenman

Ridiculous. Posted by Skye on September 12, 2025, 5:56 pm, in reply to "Lesser of 2 evils situation." Valued Poster The two do not even compare. Trump is a business fraudster, felon, pathological liar, sex offender, tax evader, traitor, insurrectionist, supporter of a war criminal, and has made threats of his own to invade and take over foreign countries, not to mention all the illegal crap he is doing right now to destroy this country... all while feeding people like you the big lie about how terrible Biden was. Obama and Biden actually had this country on a much better course after they cleaned up the mess Bush and Trump left it in. You are deluded. Seriously. DEFINITION OF INSANITY: SUCKING UP TO A MURDEROUS DICTATOR WHILE ALIENATING YOUR FRIENDS, ALLIES, & TRADING PARTNERS. You never saw Biden doing all the crazy crap Trump is doing. Please get a CLUE for Christ's sake.

Explanation: They don't believe what is so obvious to the rest of us Posted by Sia on September 12, 2025, 1:41 pm, in reply to "Unexplainable dichotomy" ADMIN

Kirk was also a contradiction puzzle. Posted by Sia on September 10, 2025, 10:51 pm, in reply to "Kirk's family devotion appears impeccable" ADMIN While a devoted family man and deeply religious, he routinely disparaged Jews, Transgenders, and gays, to name a few groups he didn't care for.

Indeed he was Posted by Pikes Peak 14115 on September 12, 2025, 12:14 am, in reply to "Kirk was also a contradiction puzzle." ADMIN His personal and public lives are so vastly different, they could be two different people. Was he schizophrenic? You can look away from a painting, but you can't listen away from a symphony

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