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SAFE (a bit of a rant) Posted by Trish on August 7, 2026, 12:28 pm Admin I have posted a list of problems with the SAVE act. Every time I do, Republicans NEVER answer point-by-point. They just say "no cheating" (as if). This is what I've tried to get across: If they want ID, create a government-issued FREE ID. Let’s break this down. People say, "well I have all my documents." Lots of people don't. Why? Let's see: lost in a move, different due to divorce (s) flood, fire. An estimated 69 million American women do not have a birth certificate that matches their current legal name. Under this bill, they would need to present both a birth certificate and a marriage certificate to establish their identity. Then there's the financial aspect. Not everyone can toss money to get new IDs. A U.S. passport costs a minimum of $165 in application fees and photos. A passport card, a cheaper alternative accepted under the bill, costs $65. A certified birth certificate costs $10 to $50 depending on the state. Replacing a lost naturalization certificate costs $1,385. Here’s a BIG one. What about the elderly and homebound or hospitalized who have no one to help them with this and the inability to travel? Every American, including people who have been registered for decades, would need to appear in person at an election office with qualifying documents. Online voter registration, which 42 states currently rely on, would be upended or eliminated. The requirement applies any time a voter updates their registration, including after moving, changing their name, or switching political parties. In the 30 largest counties by area in the Western United States, voters would need to drive an average of 260 miles to reach an election office. One analysis found rural voters facing a 4.5-hour round trip on average.The bill's in-person requirement would create significant barriers for service members stationed overseas and American citizens living abroad. Citizenship is already a requirement to vote, and instances of noncitizen voting are rare. U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services shows that just 0.04% of voter verification cases flag as potential noncitizens, and even within that small group, many had already provided proof of citizenship when they registered.

They need to be careful what they wish for. Posted by Sia on August 7, 2026, 2:40 pm, in reply to "SAFE (a bit of a rant)" ADMIN Hundreds of thousands of their own voters will be harmed by the extra strict requirements.

All along, this has been a Repuglican scam. Posted by greenman on August 7, 2026, 1:03 pm, in reply to "SAFE (a bit of a rant)" Valued Poster They KNOW that the elderly, minorities, students, etc. are statistically less likely to have ID. And lo and behold, those folks tend to vote Democratic! They figured this out in the '80s or '90s, and have been pushing 'Voter ID' for 'safe, secure elections!' ever since. Because it SOUNDS GOOD. How can you be AGAINST those things? It was always a solution in search of a problem. I've ranted at these people too, but they just ignore it. Completely brainwashed. SAY ‘NO’ TO WAR! RESIST!

They dont seem to realize that it will also apply to them. Women, in particular Posted by Sia on August 7, 2026, 2:43 pm, in reply to "All along, this has been a Repuglican scam." ADMIN will face an uphill battle to get registered given the need to purchase a copy of their marriage license signed and certified. The originals go back to the city or town issuing them. But then, the GOP has a tendency to prefer only white men get a vote.

Well I guess.... Posted by Skye on August 8, 2026, 1:21 am, in reply to "They dont seem to realize that it will also apply to them. Women, in particular" Valued Poster MAGA women aren't supposed to care about voting. They are supposed to let their husbands vote for them anyway, right?

Or vote for whomever their husbands says to. Posted by Sia on August 8, 2026, 2:34 am, in reply to "Well I guess...." ADMIN

Except that.... Posted by Skye on August 8, 2026, 4:32 am, in reply to "Or vote for whomever their husbands says to. " Valued Poster They'd have to prove they are a US citizen and not some mail order bride from a foreign country... which some of these maga people may be prone to do. But yeah, it may well work against the maga folks who can't afford to buy passports or don't have the wherewithal to gather up all the certified documents they would need to prove who they are, even for the men. I don't think they really think these things through. But who cares? By that time, we wouldn't have free or fair elections anyway, so it would be a moot point. They'll just have to get used to being peasants like in the "golden age" of yore... for the royal or 'aristocrat' class anyway.

Sad reality strikes! Posted by Sia on August 8, 2026, 5:23 am, in reply to "Except that...." ADMIN

No problem... they will just 'change the narrative' to the new 'alternate reality'.. Posted by Skye on August 8, 2026, 9:19 am, in reply to "Sad reality strikes!" Remember when they kept saying "elites" or 'elitism' is bad? That will all be changed to the new "alternative facts/reality"... and Presto! Elitism/aristocracy now good! Simple! But not to worry... if you are white, or especially a white male, you still get to be 'better than' the ones who aren't, even if you are poor. Something to be happy about! It's like magic... maga magic... LOL

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