You're acting as if I committed a crime. I only said your "our ruling class" IS NOT DIRECTLY RESPONSIBLE for dividing or creating resentments between Arab and Africans "specifically" in order for them "our ruling class" to live a luxurious life and have everything under control. "our ruling class"(and I'm sure you meant today's ruling class) just jumped on the bandwagon. Everything was all set already. "Our Ruling class" nurturing on this Black/Arab divide and spreading this discontent as you stated is "INVALID" because racism between Blacks and Arabs existed way back when. HOW HARD IS THIS FOR YOU TO PIN DOWN?? Stop exaggerating!
As for calling you old man, it was you yourself who mentioned being an old man about yourself. I don't see whats wrong about being an old man, we are all old men, some are just older than others. I'm 57 does that sound teenager or adolescent to you?
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This "old man," 78-years-old, is having difficulty with your constant change of focus.
kind of hard to pin you down.
You know theone, what I have admired about the African Americans in my community, which is now over 50%, is the respect they have for the elderly. And they even respect the ones of "my kind."
It's a politeness that evidently evades you. But why should i be surprised. You are quick and eager to point out the racism of Palestinians while they are being systematically exterminated.
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All of your questions below are BS, empty! None of it is correct. I would say a misunderstanding no more no less. No deviation, no extra additions, or omissions.
I think I should have asked you some questions before answering to what you have written,...and my question should have been this:
"what do you mean by "OUR RULING CLASS"??? Who are these PPL of our ruling class?? What era this "our ruling class" belong to"??
BTW, here is what a ruling class means: The ruling class refers to the elite segment of a society that holds significant political, economic, and social power, controlling the means of production and influencing societal agendas through their wealth and networks.
And according to Jerry Harris the most powerful ruling class today as we speak are Westerners(they are not pygmies believe me). They are more powerful than all the developing country's ruling class, in fact they control them because they are interconnected economically and politically to the powerful "Western" ruling class.
So the "transnational" capitalist class is expressed as a global ruling class and essential players of global capitalism. I believe thats the "our ruling class" you were "alluding" to mr old man when you posted your reply. And my answer about the Arab exploitation(Iraq) preceding the European one was ACCURATE in this sense!!
Are you trying to hide something, Maestro? Do you feel guilty about something? I've never accused you of being an "ethnocentric", never said that. I don't think you're the guy who would compare all the cities of the world to New York City.
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Your counter that Arab exploitation preceded European exploitation has absolutely nothing to do with my statement. It is a non sequitur.
Are you trying to be cute, theone? Are u trying to be intentionally evasive? Is your goal in your arguments to get a chuckle out of pissing people off?
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My point with this, Maestro, is that todays ruling class is nurturing on something that has already existed historically. Trying to divide Arab and Blacks when in reality the divide was already settled/done by Arab Muslims at that time. The divide between the two is there with or without the European ruling class. Thats all I wanted to point out. Previous Message
"Our ruling class are overjoyed with this and do everything possible to nurture and spread this discontent" Old Man, My Kind.
How you can deduce that I am ethnocentric from this statement is just plain weird, theone. I guess the best defense is a good offense. Jump from the main argument to another.
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where did I ever say that u or Les support genocide? Honestly, it is frustrating even arguing with you two when u can't even understand my point. My complaint is that u are not even aware or concerned about the obstacle your goofy focus creates on building a solidarity with Palestinians . Do you have any idea the anger you create when you state that some Palestinians are racist immediately after someone tries to shed light on this horrific genocide? are the both of you completely tone deaf? Of course I don't think u are pro genocide. I have known the both of you for over 15 years. u are basically kind and decent people or i would not have been here so long. Please read this, ok? And think about it. Help build the movement for the Palestinians. As for their racism, what the f is new, theone? It is everywhere and infects every ethnicity. does that mean we say, F the Poles, F, the Germans? no. We build a movement to educate and to mobilize the masses to fight against it. Previous Message
You baffle me as well with your preposterous posts, must be the reason why I declined to reply to yours.
""""Our ruling class are overjoyed with this and do everything possible to nurture and spread this discontent""""
Why are you "centralizing" this Black&Arab issue on your "European" ruling class? As if life before Europe never existed. You need to stop that! Blacks and Arabs came into contact with one another, fought each other, some got invaded by others etc before America was discovered, in fact both Black&Arabs didn't even know your kind existed in those ancient times until later, and guess what? There was a ruling class in Iraq and Arabs were nurturing and spreading the Black inferiority already and had the Zanj in captivity. Class and major political and cultural centers in Bagdad existed, racism in Iraq was the key to keep Black slaves working on large agricultural plantations and in salt marshes in the Southern Iraq region for centuries until the revolt of the Zanj took place which lasted for 14-15 years. Sorry old man I have to school you a bit. Again where was your modern ruling class when this crap was happening in ancient Iraq? Where was Abraham Lincoln when Muhammad was freeing the Black slaves in Arabia. Arabs predates the Europeans on these racial injustices "historically" speaking, and like the Westerners their freedom of slaves is still fragile and fake today. Thats why they still call us Abeed. In the West you call them ni999ers.
Now for the last time don't you dare "liaise" what I said above in terms of history with the ongoing Arab genocide in Gaza as we speak, we know its bad, we are NOT monsters as you are trying to paint us, enough of your ill intentioned tactics, but hey, you are entitled to believe in whatever the HECK you wanna believe in, and if you seriously believe that Les and I support and love seeing this genocide then thats your business and I hope it makes you feel good about yourself,.. coz I know what and where my fight stand for, genocides don't attract me. Previous Message
"I'm sure you and Mr GM secretly have already seen this video that was posted below a few days ago but you declined to reply on it. I re-posted it again down below." Theone
Theone, my reply is the following: Im sure that you and Les have already seen this post by me a few weeks ago but declined to reply on it. I reposted it again below:
"Les, these chasms of oppressed groups like Palestinians and Blacks are greatly exaggerated. The naysayers which feed this myth are the victims of the hatred and anger which oppression precipitates. Keeping the oppressed feuding is integral to a functioning capitalist society. Our ruling class are overjoyed with this and do everything possible to nurture and spread this discontent."
Your nonsensical persistence on this topic mystifies me. The pleasure of coming over here to les' board for 15 plus years has vanished. This is a deal breaker my friend. There is a genocide going on, and i do not want to associate with someone involved in this sickening behavior. Previous Message
I'm sure you and Mr GM secretly have already seen this video that was posted below a few days ago but you declined to reply on it. I re-posted it again down below.
Look, this is the perfect example of why an averaged oppressed person and his government can't be trusted "sometimes", not all of them but definitely some/many of them.
Now this guy Mr Tamer Masudin an Afro-Palestinian Bedouin and a Muslim man by faith, call himself "Arab", and he's definitely "DOUBLE" oppressed for being Black and Arab, yet he proudly joined the White Zionists of Israel, he's in solidarity with them, he calls himself a Zionist,..even his double oppressed Afro-Palestinian Grand Father fought and bled for the Israeli independence in 1948.
Now relax and listen to the guy, and please let me know after watching the video if you are interested in building solidarity with Mr Masudin, he is an oppressed person after all,.. also let me know if the video is a dumb post and if whether or not you still feel similar to those people whose job is to walk behind horses in a parade with a shovel. Ha-ha-ha-ha
