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Rail Strike.

Posted by Michael Lynch on June 20, 2022, 18:16:46

Is it correct that Striking Railworkers will still be paid when Striking?

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Posted by Brian on June 20, 2022, 20:38:40, in reply to "Rail Strike."

I would be very surprised if it happened although they might get strike pay from the union.

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Posted by Liz Dance on June 20, 2022, 21:19:01, in reply to "Re: Rail Strike."

No doubt the Union Officials will still be on full pay just as Scargill was during the miners strike.

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Posted by Sheila on June 20, 2022, 21:26:49, in reply to "Re: Rail Strike."

I think as teachers at al are supposed to be joining them, I think it is really about bringing down the Tory government. Very similar to what Scargil tried to do.

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Posted by Liz Dance on June 20, 2022, 21:41:30, in reply to "Re: Rail Strike."

That’s exactly what it is Sheila, apparently Barristers are also coming out on strike they want more legal aid money, I really think legal aid should be scrapped, imagine how much money the country would save?

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Posted by Brian on June 20, 2022, 21:47:36, in reply to "Re: Rail Strike."

Legal aid has been pared back over the years, it's needed for people who do not have the resources for legal representation.

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Posted by Sheila on June 20, 2022, 22:02:12, in reply to "Re: Rail Strike."

I agree with you Brian , but the wrong people seem to get it and others who really need it are refused. I have read this so many times I will never understand how it works.

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Posted by Brian on June 20, 2022, 22:20:44, in reply to "Re: Rail Strike."

It's a conundrum to me too, also the goalposts have definitely moved over the years so trying to understand it depends on how up to date you are with the qualifying conditions.

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Posted by Liz Dance on June 20, 2022, 22:24:31, in reply to "Re: Rail Strike."

If Legal Aid has to be provided I think the system needs a total overhaul, I really don’t see why Legal Aid is provided time and time again to asylum seekers and the like who constantly appeal against decisions taken against them. Like I have said a Panel of people should sit to decide these cases not constantly paying leftie lawyers to fight never ending cases.

I seem to recall Bernie Saunders was given Legal Aid when the man was worth millions, also others of a similar ilk, all wrong tax payer should not be paying for these people.

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Posted by Brian on June 20, 2022, 22:42:32, in reply to "Re: Rail Strike."

It's changed a lot Liz, keeping up with changes is quite hard and has moved on a lot since Bernie Grant and the like, I think I can recall some titled people applying and getting it, property rich but potless.

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Posted by Eric on June 21, 2022, 11:21:25, in reply to "Re: Rail Strike."

Kevin Maxwell got over £10,000,000 in legal aid!
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/kevin-maxwell-the-man-whose-legal-aid-has-cost-pounds-10m-asks-for-more-1182257.html

Re: Rail Strike.

Posted by Ken Turpin on June 21, 2022, 11:52:25, in reply to "Re: Rail Strike."

I read an article in the press at the weekend saying the union was bribing the rail workers to strike by doubling the strike pay from £35 a day to £70 a day.

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Posted by Mac Hardy on June 21, 2022, 12:27:24, in reply to "Re: Rail Strike."

I was a Union Member, Shop Steward an Union Representative for most of my working life. However it now seems the best paid are the greediest, never mind those on low wages, it’s a case I’m all right Jack, and that includes politicians and greedy members of the Legal Proffesion.

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Posted by Sandra on June 21, 2022, 13:13:15, in reply to "Re: Rail Strike."

I thought they were well paid. My son has to work from home because of the rail strike, it’s annoying.

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Posted by Norman on June 21, 2022, 15:05:06, in reply to "Re: Rail Strike."

Railway workers are not badly paid.
I'd like to see a comparison between a Guard or Porter's wage and say a skilled tradesman in a Factory.
The Unions are opposing changes in the way they work, some of which were made 100 yrs ago.
To become efficient the Rail Companies need to modernise.
Bus Companies had to do it years ago when they got rid of Conductors.

The Media is full of greedy people.
The more they have the more they want. Philip Schofield is reckoned to be worth 5 million and he's making a fool of himself on the 'we buy any car' adverts every night.
His colleague Holly Willoughby wears M&S clothing when she presents programmes. The Public dont know that she is also getting paid for modelling their clothing range.
We also have multi millionare Film Stars like Johnny Depp advertising aftershave he digs up in the desert

, ex foottballers like Beckham advertising shaving products. Do they never think 'I'm stopping young actors that are just starting out from getting this job'.

Re Schofield and Willoughby and the like doing Adds

Posted by Allan Campbell on June 21, 2022, 15:24:00, in reply to "Re: Rail Strike."

Why are you against them Norman. It’s make money while you can in the entertainment game and elsewhere is no different.

They would have been asked by companies to do the adds and they must see the benefits of it.

A lot of us have had other work on the “side” but not as profitable maybe.

I used to do things on the ”Side” up till a few years ago, but that was for my benefit and amusement all free.

Allan C.

Rail Strike

Posted by Peter on June 21, 2022, 17:52:17, in reply to "Re Schofield and Willoughby and the like doing Adds"

I have copied below a couple of items from the BBC website:
(1) Speaking from the picket line at Orpington station in south-east London, the man, who wished to remain anonymous, tells us: "We don't want to inconvenience anyone. I apologise sincerely, but if I don't believe and stand up for what the union is for, what's the point in being in the union?"

He adds: "Enough is enough now. Everyone in every position needs to stand up to this government for what you believe in and get what's owed to you."

Me: I don't understand who owes what to whom but taking the earlier point, this is political pure and simple.

(2) Oliver Setterfield, an NHS nurse from Warrington, had arrived in the Lake District to climb Scafell Pike. He said he was angry at the striking rail workers.

"I work for the NHS and we should be going on strike, I was dating a train conductor and she was on £30,000 after one year with no experience, as a nurse you'd have to wait five years before a pay rise, after all that time at university.

"I think it's an absolute joke, these people are well-paid, we should be on strike, but the NHS doesn't do that," Setterfield added.

Me: His point has merit.

Re: Rail Strike

Posted by Norman Dunn on June 21, 2022, 18:18:14, in reply to "Rail Strike"

Here is an idea of what the BBC reckon rail workers are earning.
£640 per week sounds a good wage for a Ticket collector.

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Posted by Allan Campbell on June 21, 2022, 19:18:29, in reply to "Re: Rail Strike"

Norman that’s damm good money to be paid.

Allan C.

Rail Strike

Posted by Peter on June 21, 2022, 19:35:54, in reply to "Re: Rail Strike"

Any vacancies? All positions will be given due consideration.

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Posted by Sheila on June 21, 2022, 20:01:39, in reply to "Rail Strike"

Norman, and that’s without overtime, which a lot of them do. As I I said previously from a recently retired train driver, with overtime, including weekends they are on £70,000. Even the average worker on £44,000 I think isa decent salary.

Re: Rail Strike

Posted by Mac Cummings on June 22, 2022, 10:20:11, in reply to "Re: Rail Strike"
Edited by administrator Admin2 June 22, 2022, 10:21:20

Remember that there are some at the bottom of the feeding list......cleaners and similar who might merit a rise but nothing like the 7% being touted by Lynch.
This is all classic 60 Unionism. Rhetoric. "Brothers. Solidarity. Downtrodden workers etc etc."
At the same time rejecting any attempts to change archaic rules which mean that simple maintenance needs several people when in the real world "odd-job" men do it all single handed.

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