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DNA testing

Posted by Allan Campbell on November 21, 2022, 9:32:10

My son has had it done on both My Heritage and Ancestry.

The My Heritage 82% English 18% Iberian.

The Ancestry 66% Scotland, 11% England and NW Europe, 11% Wales, 9% Ireland,3% Germanic Europe.

This is also broken down to certain area of Scotland in particular.

In all the test is in line with my family History researches for my and Ann’s families.

I asked at our Family History group meeting about DNA testing on Thursday. One of the 2 experts explained that Ancestry had a far wider data base than the others.

He also said that after you have had the test additional results will come in over the years as more people have. Their DNA tested.

I’m going to have mine tested as it will be different to my son’s, male line, not so much, but the female line should be as it’s my mothers line not Ann’s.
Allan C.

Family History research

Posted by Allan Campbell on November 21, 2022, 10:51:56, in reply to "DNA testing"

My Grandmother Campbell was a Morris from St. Rollox St.

Both her parents from Glamorgan, Wales, they met in Hebburn Rose St. and married in Tynemouth as G G/M worked and lived there in service.

I am attempting to TRY to reduce the amount of paperwork that I have on FH stuff. You end up with duplicates or more copies of documents or info. 8 copies of the same info in one case. Part of that is the info came from various sources. Family Search, Find My Past , Ancestry and FreeBMD plus other sources.

There can be two to four different bits of info on say the birth of a person. Sometimes you get the birth + baptism, either one or the other. Where the events took place can be limited or detailed.

I have had to condense three items into one in some cases.

With this particular family I have split it into two parts, the Wales side and the Hebburn side just to make it easier.

The Hebburn side is my G G/Pts and 10 children out
Of which only 8 reached adulthood and 2 had moved away long before I was born.

The remaining 6 I knew very well as one Visited at their homes or at family gatherings. That part of the family is going to be very very hard and time consuming to do. Probably my worst choice!

On the Welsh side the number of John Morris’s is huge as it is for most Welsh families, names reused time and time again down the line and rarely any middle names to help. The middle name tended to disappear after birth in most cases.

In working on the Welch side I’m rechecking my original info. And finding errors due to like names and later info. Now available. As things come online.

I have lost track of the hours that I have put in on this in the last week or so. Thank goodness it’s raining.

The good thing it’s that my mind is now back working near to what it was 2019. I feel that although we did not get COVID other things tagged onto in and the lockdowns etc. undermined peoples mental and physical health.

Allan C.

Re: Family History research

Posted by Carol in hampshire on November 21, 2022, 11:28:50, in reply to "Family History research"

Yes your right about the paperwork Allen I have 4 box files full
Regarding the Welsh side, my husbands family are from various parts of Wales starting in Pembrokeshire to the Welsh valleys, the number of ancestors who are are called Richard Richards and David Davies is mind boggling.
All great fun though

Re: Family History research

Posted by Allan Campbell on November 21, 2022, 13:24:08, in reply to "Re: Family History research"

Davies. On the 1851 census my G G GG/F and family were miss translated as Davies instead of Morris on the Ancestry website. Whoever did the translation I think had not really got into the handwriting as the family was the top entry on the Census page.
Yes it was not easy to read but when you know it’s obvious.

( I have found that if it’s difficult to read a name look further on the document for other shapes of letters., also watch out for letters that run into other letters on the next line distorting each other.)

I found them through the Familysearch and Find My Past sites.

I did have an inkling though as they lived in tHe same village from 1841 up to 1891.

When doing research I sometimes find that I solve sort of a problem during the nighttime. I suppose that you absorb info and hash it around during the night. I used to do the same thing on work stuff. In both case it was not unknown for me to get up and make a note, once I got up at 5am and was in work by 6.30. Sound daft but no able to get back to sleep.

Allan C.

Re: Family History research

Posted by John Shearer on November 21, 2022, 13:24:53, in reply to "Re: Family History research"

I'm very surprised there is no French or Dutch in any of your DNA tests, as we (The UK) were landlocked with Mainland Europe for Thousands of years. Dose that not tell you that the tests are fake.

DNA tests John

Posted by Allan Campbell on November 21, 2022, 13:51:39, in reply to "Re: Family History research"

John they are not fake but can be interpreted in different ways. The DNA of a person is that persons history going back. A sort of passport. I understand for these Famiiy history sites about 1,500:years max. As a cut off point.

If they were fake how could they tell my son that he had cousins in OZ that he has never met. Many others have found distant long lost or unknown relatives. In his case he recognised the name of the cousin but did not know she had children which were also given.

Part of Ann’s family going way back were potters so they could have come over to England to work near Stoke. The family name could have been Germanic which take in a large area of Northern Europe.

At present the drawback is the amount of people that have not had their DNA tested.

Just look at now some people are being caught for crimes years ago because of DNA testing.

Allan C.

Re: DNA tests John

Posted by Carol in hampshire on November 21, 2022, 14:12:03, in reply to "DNA tests John"

John they only give you your immediate connections such as the largest CMs however Ancestry does give you access to other connections world wide, which would be distant relatives

Re: DNA testing

Posted by Jackie Williams on November 21, 2022, 19:07:17, in reply to "DNA testing"

I love the detective work in family tree research. When I started I only knew one of my grandad’s names. It was 2003 I think when Genesreunited started. I was soon hooked and in my head I was doing one tree for my daughter so it was both sides divided into 4 files, similar paperwork to you from same sources.
I rarely look at the files now as I save it all online and in files on my computer. That doesn’t mean I’m organised though! I also put everything on Ancestry ( I don’t find Findmypast trees very user friendly, I do transfer updated gedcoms there every now and then so that I pick up hints ) and their selection of records is great. I also have MacFamilytree, not so good at keeping that up to date! The detective work is more interesting.
My husband is Welsh ( watching football right now ) so I get the surnames thing!

Re: DNA testing

Posted by Malcolm on November 21, 2022, 21:46:23, in reply to "Re: DNA testing"

I'm with you on that, Jackie: I LOVE the "detective" side. What, when, but also WHY?

I started my tree back in 1985 (Pre-internet days!) Days on end at record offices around the country...Joy-of-joys!

I prefer Ancestry to the other sites, although I only upload a limited, straight line ancestry line, without too much detail.

Comes about from a clown who decided that it pretty much "matched" some of his ancestors, so "adopted" (stole) the details as his own, then added a LOAD of fictitious rubbish!!

After that, I am wary of uploading details, but always respond to enquiries from people, who see a link to their tree. So it HAS been useful, up to a point.

As to paperwork, I have BOX Fulls..... literally!

But when you find an ancestor who was arrested, and convicted of murdering a policeman, and then pardoned at the 11th hour......now THAT's worth looking into, and amazing how much of the "so-called" evidence is still accessible. And subsequently featured on the BBC series "Murder, Mystery & My Family."

Re: DNA testing

Posted by Jackie Williams on November 21, 2022, 22:59:38, in reply to "Re: DNA testing"

I do cast a wide net sometimes on Ancestry Malcolm to see what comes up and then have a cull every now and then. It does feel a bit odd sometimes when others adopt my tree without much of a connection but i’ve gotten used to it. I’d rather check things out myself for my tree and just use others as clues.I do get slightly bemused when a hint comes up though and it’s my original document with my notations on posted by another as theirs. The benefits far outweigh those things though!
I do love that program and would be so happy if something connected to me came up! That’s so good!!

Re: DNA testing

Posted by Allan Campbell on November 21, 2022, 21:47:51, in reply to "Re: DNA testing"

Jackie I love the Hunt but sadly lacking in the pulling together element. My main fault is going off at tangents instead of keeping to the main line.

However having said that some great things turn up.

What I dislike is that some of the family trees that I come across are incorrect and if I tell the tree owner they do not correct it.

Some others have so many names in it that the owner could not have done the research but nicked it from other trees. You just have to look at the numbers 32,000 or more no way.

I agree Findmypast past a bit iffy to use but Ancestry used to be very good until this year.

You used to get very good hints on the side bar, like the person on various Census returns and other bits of info. But now the accuracy is not very good or worse.

They probably modified the software and its now a bit OFF.
Rant over

Allan C.

Re: DNA testing

Posted by Davy on November 21, 2022, 23:09:12, in reply to "Re: DNA testing"

I remember me granny all the rest is a waste of time.

Re: DNA testing

Posted by Jackie Williams on November 22, 2022, 0:18:51, in reply to "Re: DNA testing"

Your welcome to your opinion. It might be a waste of your time, but I enjoy it and don’t find it a waste of mine

Re: DNA testing

Posted by Jackie Williams on November 21, 2022, 23:17:14, in reply to "Re: DNA testing"

I do go off at tangents too Allan! Pulling it together really is my next plan and cutting it down although I agree about the 32,000! I avoid those ones myself Getting a few trees printed is also the plan for others who find looking at Ancestry or printed bits of tree confusing.
I’m very happy to be corrected as I’d rather it was right. That’s what I tell people when we connect. Someone did recently, I’d made an assumption about my great grandad that he was born in Tranent East Lothian and I had the certificate from Scotlandspeople. In subsequent census returns in Sunderland, Hebburn, Durham his birth was Sunderland and a year out. Turns out the first one must’ve died and the next child had the same name ( quite common I know) and it took someone else to track that down. She was very persistent and it was confirmed by another birth certificate.
I agree the hints have been a bit dodgy lately

Re: DNA testing

Posted by John Niven on November 22, 2022, 10:19:30, in reply to "Re: DNA testing"

I went through my heritage, it contacts me with information saying things like,my Granda is too young to be my Uncle’s father, which he is not, he is the stepfather. I can’t find anyway to amend this unless I subscribe monthly to them and I don’t wish to do that. They will probably be sending out this misinformation to other users and mistakes will just be compounded.

Re: DNA testing

Posted by Malcolm on November 22, 2022, 11:10:04, in reply to "Re: DNA testing"

Hi John. One of the reasons that I don't post detailed tree information on the internet sites; they don't seem to have the finesse of "odd" relationships.
I use FamilyTreeMaker on my PC. When I have had a situation like yours, when a person re-marries, the programme asks if I want to "attach" the children to the new partner, which I answer "no", as they are not his/her children (they are step-children)

Solves the problem!

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