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Engineers ?
Posted by Stan Wears on 19/8/2026, 7:19 pm
Who the heck thought of continuous welded railtrack ?. Nothing wrong with the old fishplates and bolts. Its quite obvious these engineers havent heard of the co-efficient of linear expansion. All materials expand in heat so this is why we now have derailments with the heat. Thoughtless design.
Re: Engineers ?
Posted by Norman on 19/8/2026, 7:55 pm, in reply to "Engineers ?"
Well said Stan. I didn't really know that the Railways had stopped using fishplates and gaps for expansion when they heated in the sun..
Re: Engineers ?
Posted by Malcolm on 19/8/2026, 10:05 pm, in reply to "Engineers ?"
It seems that we never learn!
Do they really use a solid, continuous, welded rail?
Beyond stupid.....
Re: Engineers ?
Posted by Stan Wears on 20/8/2026, 7:46 am, in reply to "Re: Engineers ?"
When you go on a train ypu hear it going over the expansion joints. It goes like a drum beat and you feel the rocking they give. If it doesn't, then its welded track. That co-efficient of linear expansion I mentioned earlier is simply a formula for working out how much the rail will expand per degree centigrade. Not high tech, just Hebburn tech when I was 18 !
Re: Engineers ?
Posted by Dexy on 20/8/2026, 1:27 pm, in reply to "Re: Engineers ?"
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"Continuous Welded Rail (CWR) eliminates the expansion gaps of traditional jointed track by welding individual rail lengths into seamless strings of 300–500 metres or longer — constraining thermal movement internally through compressive and tensile stress in the steel rather than allowing physical expansion.
CWR is installed at a precisely specified “stress-free temperature” (neutral temperature), typically 25–30°C in temperate climates. Above this temperature the rail develops compressive stress; below it, tensile stress. Excessive compressive stress causes buckling (sun kink); excessive tensile stress causes pull-apart (cold fracture).
A 100-metre rail length changes in dimension by approximately 1.1 mm per °C of temperature change. A temperature swing of 50°C would create 55 mm of potential movement in a 100 m rail — which in jointed track would be accommodated by gaps, and in CWR must be constrained by the fastening system and ballast resistance.
The principal maintenance advantage of CWR over jointed track is the elimination of fishplate joints — the weakest link in the track structure, responsible for the majority of track defects including end-batter, bolt-hole cracks, and rail end corrugation.
Speed limits must be reduced on sections of CWR where buckle risk is elevated — typically when rail temperature exceeds the installation temperature by a defined margin (often 30°C above neutral temperature), or when track geometry has deteriorated and ballast resistance is insufficient to resist buckling forces."
On the date of the Lewes rail derailment, the temperature was around 27c, so should have been well within the operational parameters of CWR. Buckling rails are only one possible cause of the accident, and it would probably be best not to jump to conclusions, or are you suggesting the whole rail network needs to close down in this year's hot weather?
Re: Engineers ?
Posted by Stan Wears on 21/8/2026, 10:50 am, in reply to "Re: Engineers ?"