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Racial profiling is now the law of the land

Posted by Mugwump on July 12, 2025, 7:05 am

Tom Homan said ICE has the right to detain any individual for any reason—and that agents deliberately target people based on their “physical appearance.”

Well this thread has been effectively hijacked.

Posted by Dancing Digits on July 17, 2025, 7:20 pm, in reply to "Racial profiling is now the law of the land"

effectively?

Posted by scott on July 17, 2025, 10:49 pm, in reply to "Well this thread has been effectively hijacked."

Resultant false bias still reigns here... Would, to me, God's word would be effective... there'd be a dramatic upturn.

I don't observe that here at all.

You are a near-psychotic boor suffering from OCD

Posted by Mugwump on July 18, 2025, 6:07 am, in reply to "effectively?"

When all else fails, ad hominems to the fore.

Posted by observer on July 18, 2025, 1:55 pm, in reply to "You are a near-psychotic boor suffering from OCD"

Illogical, irrational, and the strongest tool for the low-goals-are-attainable arguments.

BTW, the problem in this thread started with Scott's ad hominem attack

Posted by Mugwump on July 18, 2025, 2:09 pm, in reply to "When all else fails, ad hominems to the fore."

Or are you too much of a hypocrit to notice that?

What hominem?

Posted by observer on July 18, 2025, 2:45 pm, in reply to "BTW, the problem in this thread started with Scott's ad hominem attack"

It’s a long thread. I don’t see it.

No one could match your talent for

Posted by Mugwump on July 18, 2025, 2:04 pm, in reply to "When all else fails, ad hominems to the fore."

Trying to sound profound while making a total ass of yourself in defense of your obnoxious hero. You don't even pay attention to his offensive behavior which gives rise to angry responses

You draw a lot of conclusions with no evidence. You’re in danger

Posted by observer on July 18, 2025, 2:51 pm, in reply to "No one could match your talent for"

(like so many far leftists) of drowning in your own assumptions often way off base. I said nothing about. Scott. If my criticism of you is understood only as a defense of Scott, not as a criticism of your words, you miss the point! Such hypocrisy! Your raison d’etre is to attack people you disagree with. When it’s done to you, you’re a big name calling baby. How’s that for a hominem?

There's not a sane person on earth who'd describe me as "far left"

Posted by Mugwump on July 18, 2025, 3:12 pm, in reply to "You draw a lot of conclusions with no evidence. You’re in danger"

I do not try to engage little Scott. He starts every exchange we have. I should ignore him, but there's always the fascination of the abomination.

Whatever it is, it has much in common with

Posted by observer on July 19, 2025, 9:17 am, in reply to "There's not a sane person on earth who'd describe me as "far left""

the far left. It probably doesn’t require sanity to recognize the fact.

Name one extreme left-wing position I've advocated

Posted by Mugwump on July 19, 2025, 11:02 am, in reply to "Whatever it is, it has much in common with"

or STFU and crawl back into your septic tank.

Attitude!

Posted by observer on July 19, 2025, 1:56 pm, in reply to "Name one extreme left-wing position I've advocated"

Yes effectively.

Posted by Dancing Digits on July 18, 2025, 3:32 am, in reply to "effectively?"

Most of the posts in this thread are not about racial profiling.

(no subject)

Posted by scott on July 18, 2025, 9:04 am, in reply to "Yes effectively."

who-is-hijacking-what-is-the-question...

Re: (no subject)

Posted by Dancing Digits on July 18, 2025, 9:38 am, in reply to "(no subject)"

If you are asking what the thread topic is, it's clearly stated in the subject line and in the body of the initial post by Mugwump.

If you are asking me what my question was/is of you (which I doubt you are asking but just in case you are), I didn't ask you anything.

Who hijacked it? You, here:

https://mb.boardhost.com/ReligionAndEthics/msg/1752331523.html

The topic isn't about Mugwump or any poster here. You turned it that way. And of course, injected your religion/proselytizing into the thread (just read what follows from the above link) which drove it further off course. It's hard to believe that you couldn't predict the reaction you would get.

It could have been an interesting discussion/debate regarding an important topic. It looks like that has ended. I prefer not to participate in driving this thread off course any further. Do not expect any further responses from me.

you-and-Rug dump-are-allowed-your-excreta-when-I-post...

Posted by scott on July 18, 2025, 4:04 pm, in reply to "Re: (no subject)"

"Save for the basket cases, everyone recognizes your rude pronouncements and refusal to allow others to have their own beliefs."

You've-gotta-be-all-kinds-of-distracted-not-to-see-my-assertion-was-right-after-reading-your-cohorts-reply.--Then-your-adding-like-scat-to-the-thread...

Might-that-not-be-an-ethical-dilemna-for-you-that-that-is-all-you-do-here?

Adding-your-less-of-an-insight-to-the-post?

Just-more-muck-to-wade-through.

If-you-don't-like-my-replies....go-back-to-wherever-you-were-comfortable-talking-behind-everyones-back.

If you don't want my answer, don't ask. You approached me first, I did not address you. In fact,

Posted by Dancing Digits on July 18, 2025, 7:25 pm, in reply to "you-and-Rug dump-are-allowed-your-excreta-when-I-post..."

I didn't even mention you in my post above. You asked me directly "who-is-hijacking".

This is a public forum. Hard to talk behind someone's back here. I have no contact with anyone here save on this board.

Don't like my answer to you? Too bad. I am not here to please you.

Well, since over 80% of illegals are from Mexico, Central America, South America, and...

Posted by CE0802 on July 14, 2025, 7:29 am, in reply to "Racial profiling is now the law of the land"

...Africa, and another 15% or so are from Asia, and only
about 3% are from what could be called "White" countries..?

Yes, racial profiling is the way to maximize the mass deportation program that Americans voted for.

Whether anyone agrees with it or not racial profiling remains

Posted by Dancing Digits on July 17, 2025, 8:14 pm, in reply to "Well, since over 80% of illegals are from Mexico, Central America, South America, and... "

illegal in the United States:

U.S. Department of Justice
Civil Rights Division
GUIDANCE REGARDING THE
USE OF RACE BY FEDERAL LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES
June 2003

INTRODUCTION AND EXECUTIVE SUMMARY
In his February 27, 2001, Address to a Joint Session of Congress, President George W.
Bush declared that racial profiling is "wrong and we will end it in America." He directed
the Attorney General to review the use by Federal law enforcement authorities of race as
a factor in conducting stops, searches and other law enforcement investigative
procedures. The Attorney General, in turn, instructed the Civil Rights Division to develop
guidance for Federal officials to ensure an end to racial profiling in law enforcement. . . .

(Snip). . .

• In investigating or preventing threats to national security or other
catastrophic events (including the performance of duties related to air
transportation security), or in enforcing laws protecting the integrity
of the Nation's borders, Federal law enforcement officers may not
consider race or ethnicity except to the extent permitted by the
Constitution and laws of the United States.
Any questions arising under these standards should be directed to the Department of
Justice.

THE CONSTITUTIONAL FRAMEWORK
"[T]he Constitution prohibits selective enforcement of the law based on considerations
such as race." Whren v. United States, 517 U.S. 806, 813 (1996). Thus, for example, the
decision of federal prosecutors "whether to prosecute may not be based on 'an
unjustifiable standard such as race, religion, or other arbitrary classification.'" (4) United
States v. Armstrong, 517 U.S. 456, 464 (1996) (quoting Oyler v. Boles, 368 U.S. 448, 456
(1962)). The same is true of Federal law enforcement officers. Federal courts repeatedly
have held that any general policy of "utiliz[ing] impermissible racial classifications in
determining whom to stop, detain, and search" would violate the Equal Protection Clause.

https://www.dhs.gov/xlibrary/assets/training/xus/crcl/racelawofficers/Common/pdf/doj_profiling_guidance.pdf

As to Tom Homan -

I have been trying to find the Fox Interview in which he stated whatever it is he stated. I have been unable to find it and to be quick frank, its taking up too much of my personal time. I did find this:

Tom Homan: "You know they don't need probable cause to briefly detain and question somebody, they just need reasonable suspicion and that's based on many articulable facts."

and

"Let me be clear. Physical description can not be the sole factor to give you reasonable suspicion. As I said in the interview its articulable facts with an S."

So what is reasonable suspicion and articulable facts?

"Reasonable suspicion is not probable cause which holds a higher threshold/criteria. Reasonable suspicion is not simply a hunch. You need more than that to meet the criteria for reasonable suspicion which is: "Reasonable suspicion is a legal standard that falls between mere speculation or hunch and probable cause, which is a higher standard. It is a subjective assessment made by law enforcement officers that is based on specific, articulable facts and reasonable inferences drawn from those facts. These facts may lead an officer to suspect that an individual is, has been, or is about to be involved in criminal activity."

https://www.hesterlawgroup.com/blog/2023/october/what-is-reasonable-suspicion-/

What are 'articulable facts'? They are facts that can be articulated/verbally explained, from which a reasonable person would draw the conclusion that a crime has been, is, or is about to be committed. They are not a hunch, or an intuitive feeling. It is not based solely on racial profiling.

Now of course, whether Homan practices what he preaches is another matter. The point is, however, that racial profiling is not sufficient to detain someone briefly for questioning, nor is it even legal.

Is that fair?

Posted by Ken C on July 17, 2025, 2:57 pm, in reply to "Well, since over 80% of illegals are from Mexico, Central America, South America, and... "

I understand your point, but instead of trying to maximize the total number of criminals caught, we should enforce the law evenly and fairly.

He is not really addressing what is fair.

Posted by Dancing Digits on July 17, 2025, 9:16 pm, in reply to "Is that fair?"

He is saying that racial profiling is the efficient way to catch as many illegals coming from Mexico, South America, etc. as is possible.

It's the ends justifies the means approach, really.

It means that ignoring the obvious is not effective and, therefore,

Posted by observer on July 19, 2025, 9:19 am, in reply to "He is not really addressing what is fair."

not wise.

The problem I have with it is this:

Posted by Dancing Digits on July 19, 2025, 10:24 am, in reply to "It means that ignoring the obvious is not effective and, therefore,"

The objection to illegals being here is that they have broken US law by their method of entry and that immigration law(s) should be respected.

Racial profiling is illegal. What is being put forth is that in order to enforce the law (immigration) it is acceptable and/or even desirable to break the law (racial profiling).

That is a contradiction.

I can understand that.

Posted by observer on July 19, 2025, 4:06 pm, in reply to "The problem I have with it is this:"

But that’s not necessarily the correct designation for what is happening. It gets very sketchy. Criminal profiling is legal. In California it is well known everywhere that many illegals gather in certain places to get jobs. They are nearly always Latinos. There are specific places of employment where many illegals work. So what we’re seeing here is those places (and the people there) being targeted in criminal profiling procedures. I have legal immigrant friends. They carry their paperwork with them. They don’t blame ICE. They get it.

Additionally

Posted by observer on July 19, 2025, 7:07 pm, in reply to "I can understand that."

with help from local law enforcement prohibited (LA nonsense), it’s much more difficult to pinpoint the most likely culprits.

The problem I am seeing with this is

Posted by Dancing Digits on July 19, 2025, 10:47 pm, in reply to "Additionally"

unequal treatment of people by law enforcement agents.

I am a white woman of European ancestry. I have never been and no doubt will never be questioned and detained to prove that I have a legal right to be in this country. I have traveled close enough to the Canadian border to run across highway checkpoints set up by the Border Patrol. I have never been stopped and asked to show my credentials - I have always been waved on. It is assumed by my appearance that I belong here, that I am innocent. No one has given me a curious glance, or paid the slightest bit of attention to me. I go about my life in relative peace.

My cousin and her husband adopted an American baby of South American descent. He is a natural born citizen of the US, educated here, now an adult who works here, and has just as much of a legal right to be here as me. He is not guilty of breaking any US immigration laws. But in appearance, he bears strong resemblance to the native residents of his parents' country of origin - black hair, dark brown eyes, dark brown skin, short and stocky in build. He stands a much greater chance of being stopped and asked to prove his legal right to be here, to prove his innocence.

To put it simply, I will not be asked to prove my innocence because of my appearance and the race I belong to, but the same can not be said about him. That is unequal treatment based on appearance/race/skin color - it is suspicion based on guilt by association.

What has saved him thus far is that he doesn't live anywhere near the southern border or the northern border. He does not live in any of the 'hot spots' in the US such as a sanctuary city. He is still at greater risk than me of being regarded with suspicion, thus being asked to prove his innocence simply because of his genetics.

In my way of thinking, that's dead wrong. He (as all of us) should be judged on his behavior and factual evidence, not his skin color and not because he looks like someone who may be from South America.

I understand. I don’t like that either.

Posted by observer on July 20, 2025, 12:08 am, in reply to "The problem I am seeing with this is"

But the cause is the fault of the lawbreakers, not the law enforcers. Agreed, the innocent@ should not be arrested or mistreated, but none of us is protected from the consequences of the law breakers among us, but in this case some are much more affected. It doesn’t make any sense to stop everyone when they don’t meet any of the criteria, the most obvious in this case being appearance. It’s the crime that is the problem.

Clarification needed:

Posted by Dancing Digits on July 19, 2025, 11:01 pm, in reply to "The problem I am seeing with this is"

"he bears strong resemblance to the native residents of his parents' country of origin"

I should have written: his biological/birth parents' country of origin.

18.9% f U.S. CITIZENS are of hispanic background

Posted by Mugwump on July 17, 2025, 8:30 am, in reply to "Well, since over 80% of illegals are from Mexico, Central America, South America, and... "

You figure it's OK to attack and throw 60 million people to the ground in your quest for the undocumented?
You figure it's OK to take away legal status in order to make someone illegal?
If so, you have the morals of a weasel.

Perfect comment. Cuts through all the BS.

Posted by GOG on July 14, 2025, 9:15 am, in reply to "Well, since over 80% of illegals are from Mexico, Central America, South America, and... "

And of course, it's pretty easy to research how many...

Posted by CE0802 on July 14, 2025, 7:32 am, in reply to "Well, since over 80% of illegals are from Mexico, Central America, South America, and... "

...illegals from other nations have been deported.

********************
U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) deported
122 illegal immigrants to China June 3, many of whom were
convicted of murder, drug trafficking, rape and human smuggling.
********************

I know, I know. You're SHOCKED that it isn't ONLY "Brown people"
being rounded up.

But that's because you're only too willing to believe the worst.

not shocked at all

Posted by Trish on July 14, 2025, 2:25 pm, in reply to "And of course, it's pretty easy to research how many..."

but that is a drop in a bucket compared to "brown" people.

"Brown People" violate laws too. No playing favorites here.

Posted by Mondo Fuego™ on July 15, 2025, 9:50 am, in reply to "not shocked at all"

They got'ta go too. They're the biggest part of the problem.

60 to 70% of all non white collar crime. Add the illegals.

Posted by GOG on July 15, 2025, 5:11 pm, in reply to ""Brown People" violate laws too. No playing favorites here."

How much more can the American empire endure ?

And, like I said, it's a "drop in the bucket" because...

Posted by CE0802 on July 15, 2025, 5:31 am, in reply to "not shocked at all"

...the percentage of illegal immigrants who are NOT Black or Brown is ALSO a "drop in the bucket".

I would think that should be obvious?

Oblivious of the obvious

Posted by observer on July 18, 2025, 5:42 pm, in reply to "And, like I said, it's a "drop in the bucket" because..."

is mandatory when truth is not tolerated.

“Obvious” and common sense go together like a horse and carriage.

Posted by GOG on July 15, 2025, 6:47 am, in reply to "And, like I said, it's a "drop in the bucket" because..."

Too bad certain mind sets cannot ride neither. They get bounced and tossed.

sort-of-like

Posted by scott on July 12, 2025, 7:45 am, in reply to "Racial profiling is now the law of the land"

how-you-are-with-Christians-on-this-board.

Above is old Scottie's personal attack unrelated to topic of thread

Posted by Mugwump on July 19, 2025, 5:58 am, in reply to "sort-of-like"

Displaying what a bitter little hate-ridden creature he is.

Of course it is. I won't rehash what is obvious but just a little trivial thing I noticed. . .

Posted by Dancing Digits on July 19, 2025, 7:46 am, in reply to "Above is old Scottie's personal attack unrelated to topic of thread"

All of those in between the words dashes are absent here:

https://mb.boardhost.com/ReligionAndEthics/msg/1752817758.html

That was directed at the Blind Observer

Posted by Mugwump on July 20, 2025, 7:12 am, in reply to "Of course it is. I won't rehash what is obvious but just a little trivial thing I noticed. . ."

Scott's little groupie.

LOL. Yup. Nail:Head:Hit

Posted by Mondo Fuego™ on July 15, 2025, 9:57 am, in reply to "sort-of-like"

Folks at home been wondering where you are.

Doin ok Mondo

Posted by scott on July 15, 2025, 10:08 am, in reply to "LOL. Yup. Nail:Head:Hit"

I'm around... Just enough to ruffle the unbelievers with the good news they seem to believe doesn't exist. Imagine that!

Free gift from God, disparaged by recklessly avoiding truth. It's a small task to understand one's own life.

Smaller still to love it.

Amen! Copy that.

Posted by Mondo Fuego™ on July 15, 2025, 10:50 am, in reply to "Doin ok Mondo "

Even a shrewd Monaco gambler would seriously consider Pascal's Wager before making an arbitrary decision.

Whites are the most discriminated against group in America.

Posted by GOG on July 13, 2025, 2:47 pm, in reply to "sort-of-like"

Why? Because 20,000,000 non-white invaders have been told ‘what the whites have you can take’. Not only packing the nation with people of color, but Catholic Charities had been massively funded with fed and UN human trafficking contracts worth $billions. As a Southern Baptist I feel discriminated against. My faith is threatened by evil.

Especially Southern White Protestant Males (the future of mankind ;)

Posted by Mondo Fuego™ on July 15, 2025, 9:59 am, in reply to "Whites are the most discriminated against group in America. "

what a load of hooey

Posted by Trish on July 13, 2025, 5:04 pm, in reply to "Whites are the most discriminated against group in America. "

do you get pulled over because you're white

are you watched like a hawk when you shop anywhere

are you denied a loan when someone who is white get one even though that person has a lower credit rating

Do you get worse sentences than white people for the same crime

there is so much more, but GOG you are delusional if you believe this

Miss Daisy said New York City was terrible for racial discrimination.

Posted by Mondo Fuego™ on July 15, 2025, 10:06 am, in reply to "what a load of hooey"

Anyone here remember Miss Daisy?

She said security personnel would follow her all over stores like Saks Fifth Avenue, Macy's, Bregdorf-Goodman.

Thie lovely, prosperous, educated lady told it like it is.

Northerners may be worse than other demographic groups when it comes to discrimination because they still look down on Southerners for some strange, illogical reason.

No, it’s a train load of DEI. And whites are not included.

Posted by GOG on July 13, 2025, 6:54 pm, in reply to "what a load of hooey"

Whites are MERIT,

Racist much? Let's review how DEI affects people of non-color

Posted by trish on July 14, 2025, 7:19 am, in reply to "No, it’s a train load of DEI. And whites are not included."

DEI helps white

- women
- vets
- people with disabilities
- first-generation students

You have a lot of white man hate.

DEI only helps those with lesser qualifications. Those who benefit from racial quotas that...

Posted by CE0802 on July 15, 2025, 5:46 am, in reply to "Racist much? Let's review how DEI affects people of non-color"

...require people to be chosen based purely on some physical characteristic.

DEI is systemic racism and sexism.

As such it’s not safe to fly. Incidents are piling up.

Posted by GOG on July 21, 2025, 7:26 am, in reply to "DEI only helps those with lesser qualifications. Those who benefit from racial quotas that..."

Amazing how many posts racist trash can add to one thread!

Posted by Mugwump on July 14, 2025, 1:31 pm, in reply to "Racist much? Let's review how DEI affects people of non-color"

Hahahaha. Don’t make me guffaw.

Posted by GOG on July 14, 2025, 9:13 am, in reply to "Racist much? Let's review how DEI affects people of non-color"

Black vets, black wonen, drawfs in the military, illegal’s children. Rabid sexism, too. Women first, males second. And I forgot to mention the Asians are 2nd on my discriminated list. That adds up to two. And since me be white, I don’t hate white man:-). Actually me no hate any race. I dislike the policies that claim “inclusion” but for everyone but whites, especially white males. Lowering merit-standards in our high tech society is not very smart nor wise.

sorry honey, you let your freiudian slip show a long time ago

Posted by Trish on July 14, 2025, 2:24 pm, in reply to "Hahahaha. Don’t make me guffaw."

substantial number of white men still hold leadership and executive positions. They are not hurting.

You'd like to go back to the days where blacks had to use different restrooms, fountains, restaurants. You'd love seeing subserviant women.

Oh, and it's ok if a black man serves his nation, and NOT ok that he get help afterward to get back to work? You are as bad as tRump in the way you speak so rudely about the military.

Even in the 1970’s whites (me) were being discriminated against.

Posted by GOG on July 14, 2025, 8:33 pm, in reply to "sorry honey, you let your freiudian slip show a long time ago"

My employer, Bechtle, hired me because of merit. Not skin color. Not gender. But my supervisor told me he lost hiring points by not hiring a non-white. DEI = racism.

Re: sort-of-like you are with any flavor of faith

Posted by trish on July 12, 2025, 11:32 am, in reply to "sort-of-like"

you dislike

Re: sort-of-like you are with any flavor of faith

Posted by scott on July 14, 2025, 1:30 pm, in reply to "Re: sort-of-like you are with any flavor of faith"

I don't dislike any religion, nor even you for that matter...

But it is sad how this board is never about God... Just those who hate the belief there is one.

I don't hate believers. I am one

Posted by Trish on July 14, 2025, 2:28 pm, in reply to "Re: sort-of-like you are with any flavor of faith"

I would say most don't hate believers. They strongly dislike hypocrites and purveyors of snake oil in the guise of religion. There are many who will quote scripture but break it ALL THE TIME. Or, they claim to be followers of Jesus and do things totally opposite of what Jesus taught. The Beatitudes are like poison to such people.

Announce Jesus as your Lord and Savior..

Posted by scott on July 15, 2025, 10:36 am, in reply to "I don't hate believers. I am one"

Then:

Love
Speak
Write
And act

Like you believe it. Not just for your conscience sake.

The Divine Spirit, dear

Posted by Trish on July 16, 2025, 6:40 am, in reply to "Announce Jesus as your Lord and Savior.. "

One does not have to worship Jesus to believe in God

That god is not God.

Posted by observer on July 16, 2025, 5:20 pm, in reply to "The Divine Spirit, dear"

Re: The Divine Spirit, dear

Posted by scott on July 16, 2025, 1:00 pm, in reply to "The Divine Spirit, dear"

So said the scribes. Pharisees, Sadducees.. but even Jesus called them whitewashed walls, hypocrites, vipers..etc .. He specifically critiqued the Pharisees and scribes, accusing them of hypocrisy, self-righteousness, and prioritizing outward appearances over genuine faith and compassion. However, it's important to note that Jesus himself was Jewish and adhered to Jewish law, and his criticisms were directed at the misinterpretations and abuses of religious practice, not Judaism itself.

"Supposed "experts on Christian religion" here with all their knowledge, information, and understanding.. have short term memory issues once confronted with the fact Jesus wants them.. not their attitudes about his revelation and purpose on earth.

Love always wins, in the end. Refusing it is to one's own judgement. And only God does that.

So believe in your "Devine" entity all that you want... some day it would be a good idea to talk directly to the source...not the idea

God is not limited by your narrow mindedness

Posted by Trish on July 16, 2025, 5:16 pm, in reply to "Re: The Divine Spirit, dear"

You want to put God in a tidy box. Won't work. Sure you've got your dogma, but is a drop in the bucket compared to God's vastness. It's sad you think your God is so small.

What are your god’s credentials?

Posted by observer on July 17, 2025, 6:44 am, in reply to "God is not limited by your narrow mindedness"

The God of creation, the author of the Bible, which is the power of His word, the trinitarian God whose Son Jesus is our Saviour and whose Holy Spirit guides and comforts Christians is the God I know and believe in.

last I checked God doesn't need credentials

Posted by trish on July 17, 2025, 7:40 am, in reply to "What are your god’s credentials?"

That is the description of a manmade god.

Posted by observer on July 18, 2025, 7:51 pm, in reply to "last I checked God doesn't need credentials"

Your god is so weak it needs credentials? wow

Posted by Trish on July 19, 2025, 8:16 am, in reply to "That is the description of a manmade god."

A Junior G-Man Decoder Ring?

Posted by Mugwump on July 21, 2025, 7:51 am, in reply to "Your god is so weak it needs credentials? wow"

I just spit my coffee that was great

Posted by Trish on July 21, 2025, 8:03 am, in reply to "A Junior G-Man Decoder Ring?"

narrow-is-the-way

Posted by scott on July 16, 2025, 10:38 pm, in reply to "God is not limited by your narrow mindedness"

🌿 The phrase “**narrow is the way**” comes from **Matthew 7:13–14**, where Jesus says:

> “Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.”

Here’s what it means in context:

### ✨ A Call to True Discipleship
- The **narrow way** represents a life of **intentional faith**, **sincere devotion**, and **spiritual discipline**.
- It’s not about being perfect, but about **choosing a path that aligns with God’s will**, even when it’s unpopular or difficult.

### 🚪 Two Paths, Two Destinies
- The **wide gate** is easy, popular, and often filled with compromise—it leads to **spiritual ruin**.
- The **narrow gate** is harder to find and walk—it leads to **eternal life**, but requires humility, repentance, and perseverance.

### ❤️ It’s About the Heart, Not Just Behavior
- Jesus contrasts **external righteousness** (like following rules for appearance) with **inner transformation**—a heart genuinely changed by love and truth.
- The narrow way is about **living with integrity**, **loving sacrificially**, and **seeking peace**, even when it costs us.

### 🔥 Why Is It “Narrow”?
- Not because God wants to exclude people, but because **true faith requires a conscious choice**.
- It’s a path of **resisting temptation**, **rejecting selfishness**, and **walking in grace**—not by willpower alone, but by the Spirit’s strength.

LIS-go-ahead-and-follow-your-"Devine"-leader
I'll-stick-with-Jesus

I am well aware of the verse and its meaning but the Bible

Posted by Trish on July 17, 2025, 7:41 am, in reply to "narrow-is-the-way"

is only one of many Sacred Texts

sadly..you miss the fact He made you...the only one like you. An original

Posted by scott on July 17, 2025, 10:46 pm, in reply to "I am well aware of the verse and its meaning but the Bible"

That was sacred to Him.

Your version of God and his word...corrupted.

Sometimes, change comes later than we think it should.

A secret covered. Hidden. Your soul invaded.

Maybe you can be a little less happy to know that I too, am defective

Mercy is a God quality. A Jesus ability.

Forgiveness.

And I'd love to be the one to see your release from your entrapment, but I need your help. You can only help yourself actually.

We all long for connection.

Can you make one, with the God of the universe?

Will you?

He's made the way.

Go for it, the opposite choice is not a choice, it's a doom.

Love.

It's a gift

He says," I know you, I've always been there."

You know this is true

He's saved countless lives...and offers to save yours.

You are good people...made to be such...for all eternity.

A second chance...and a third....and on and on....while we still have breath.

Take it.

God as a Creator... wow, that's a news flash (NOT)

Posted by Trish on July 18, 2025, 7:29 am, in reply to "sadly..you miss the fact He made you...the only one like you. An original "

apparently-so...

Posted by scott on July 18, 2025, 9:07 am, in reply to "God as a Creator... wow, that's a news flash (NOT)"

yet-your-allegince-to-those-who-don't-believe-that-is-more-troubling-than-that-truth.

Jesus walked among sinners every day

Posted by trish on July 19, 2025, 8:22 am, in reply to "apparently-so..."

I associate with people of many faiths because I love learning from them... at least those who don't start preaching.

I believe we can LEARN from each other, believer and non-believer alike. Feel free to sequester yourself and shake in fear of those non-believers. It's pathetic.

A person can be a non-believer or agnostic and be an amazing human being. I know several whom I admire greatly for their level-mindedness, charity, empathy...

You choose to think only the worst. That's on you.

you're-the-judge-of-things-religious

Posted by scott on July 19, 2025, 7:20 pm, in reply to "Jesus walked among sinners every day"

feel-free-to-follow-the-wind

you seem to have no trouble judging LOTS

Posted by Trish on July 20, 2025, 7:26 am, in reply to "you're-the-judge-of-things-religious"

it's-an-every-day-function-of-our-lives.

Posted by scott on July 21, 2025, 8:07 am, in reply to "you seem to have no trouble judging LOTS"

Absolutely—it’s a deeply biblical concept. **“Do righteous judgment”** refers to making decisions or assessments that align with God's standards of justice, truth, and mercy. It’s not just about being fair by human standards, but about reflecting divine wisdom and compassion.

📖 **Biblical Foundations**:
- **John 7:24** — Jesus says, *“Do not judge according to appearance, but judge with righteous judgment.”* This highlights the need to look beyond surface-level impressions and seek God's perspective.
- **Deuteronomy 16:18–20** — God commands Israel to appoint judges who will judge the people with righteousness, avoiding partiality and corruption.
- **Micah 6:8** — *“He has shown you, O man, what is good; and what does the Lord require of you but to do justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God?”*

💡 **What It Means Practically**:
- Judge **fairly and without bias**, especially when dealing with others.
- Avoid **hypocrisy**—Jesus warns against judging others while ignoring your own faults (Matthew 7:1–5).
- Seek **discernment** through prayer, scripture, and humility.
- Use judgment to **restore and guide**, not condemn. Galatians 6:1 encourages believers to correct others gently and with care.

🧠 **Why It Matters**:
Righteous judgment isn’t just about calling out wrongdoing—it’s about upholding truth while embodying grace. It’s a call to live wisely, love deeply, and reflect God’s justice in our relationships and decisions.

Eye of a needle.

Posted by GOG on July 17, 2025, 1:58 am, in reply to "narrow-is-the-way"

You always end up confronted with "My God can beat up your God"

Posted by Mugwump on July 16, 2025, 5:53 pm, in reply to "God is not limited by your narrow mindedness"

This is the Christianity of Empire, set on conquest.
Amazing that those who claim to embrace a loving God are so wracked with anger and hatred for that which does not conform to their beliefs.

Insecurity is at the heart of this behavior

Posted by Trish on July 17, 2025, 7:52 am, in reply to "You always end up confronted with "My God can beat up your God""

Their way MUST be the ONLY way, or ... heaven forbid, they might find out their wrong.

I don't mind discovering I am wrong, but I need more than a verse from a book written by men, who edited it to death. Let's take Missing books: Tobit, Judith, Wisdom of Solomon, Ecclesiasticus (Sirach), Baruch, First and Second Maccabees, and additions to Esther and Daniel.

But Wait there's more!
1 Esdras

2 Esdras

Tobit

Judith

Additions to Esther

Wisdom of Solomon

Ecclesiasticus

Baruch

Letter of Jeremiah

Prayer of Azariah

Susanna

Bel and the Dragon

Prayer of Manasseh

1 Maccabees

2 Maccabees

But may also contain Jasher, Enoch, and the Jubilees (what God said to Moses on Mount Sinai).

The Lost Books are:

The book of Jasher

The book of the Acts of Solomon

The Prophecy of Ahijah the Shilonite

The Visions of Iddo the Seer

The book of Nathan the Prophet

The book of Gad the Seer

The book of Shemaiah the Prophet

The Acts of Uzziah

The Sayings of the Seers

Epistles of Paul to the Corinthians and the Laodiceans (mentioned in 1 Corinthians 5:9 & Colossians 4:16 respectively).

The book of Enoch (mentioned in Jude 14).

An epistle of John (mentioned in 3 John 9).

And probably other accounts of Jesus's life (mentioned in Luke 1:1–2).

i probably missed some. The point is that the Council of Nicea picked and chooses, so to speak. I have only started to research what's in these books that made them unworthy.

In this thread it was Scott's bitter derailment of the subject

Posted by Mugwump on July 17, 2025, 8:10 am, in reply to "Insecurity is at the heart of this behavior"

in his quest for attention.

your lack of it is disappointing for sure

Posted by scott on July 17, 2025, 10:51 pm, in reply to "In this thread it was Scott's bitter derailment of the subject"

(no subject)

Posted by scott on July 16, 2025, 10:41 pm, in reply to "You always end up confronted with "My God can beat up your God""

he-loves-the-misguided-blind-guides-he's-developed.

You're-being-led-and-don't-even-know-it..shame

Do the world a favor.

Posted by Mugwump on July 17, 2025, 6:31 am, in reply to "(no subject)"

Drop dead.
That way the world will have less of your hate and arrogance and can shout "Miracle! Miracle!

Do one for yourself...

Posted by scott on July 17, 2025, 10:51 pm, in reply to "Do the world a favor."

Sometimes, change comes later than we think it should.

A secret covered. Hidden. Your soul invaded.

Maybe you can be a little less happy to know that I too, am defective

Mercy is a God quality. A Jesus ability.

Forgiveness.

And I'd love to be the one to see your release from your entrapment, but I need your help. You can only help yourself actually.

We all long for connection.

Can you make one, with the God of the universe?

Will you?

He's made the way.

Go for it, the opposite choice is not a choice, it's a doom.

Love.

It's a gift

He says," I know you, I've always been there."

You know this is true

He's saved countless lives...and offers to save yours.

You are good people...made to be such...for all eternity.

A second chance...and a third....and on and on....while we still have breath.

Take it.

Oops: wrong hymn words. “Shall we gather at the river…..”. See attached.

Posted by GOG on July 15, 2025, 7:45 pm, in reply to "Announce Jesus as your Lord and Savior.. "

Love this YouTube video:

She has to be baptized once she confesses.

Posted by GOG on July 15, 2025, 7:28 pm, in reply to "Announce Jesus as your Lord and Savior.. "

My great grandfather was a Baptist minister. Virginia mountain people. He held these gathering at a river. The buggies and horses and the faithful milling about. A show of the faithful. He used a stick to measure the depth. And those dressed in white at the shore would one by one be dunked. Born in 1859 he died in 1958. Pioneer family. I have an old photo of this dated 1907. “We are gathered at the river, the beautiful, the beautiful rivvvverrr…”. Old hymn.

Nope. My parents took care of that. I don't need another

Posted by Trish on July 16, 2025, 6:41 am, in reply to "She has to be baptized once she confesses."

Scott does not proselytize.

Posted by GOG on July 15, 2025, 8:41 am, in reply to "I don't hate believers. I am one"

Grow up, Elmer

Posted by Mugwump on July 12, 2025, 7:59 am, in reply to "sort-of-like"

Save for the basket cases, everyone recognizes your rude pronouncements and refusal to allow others to have their own beliefs.

Re: Grow up, Elmer

Posted by scott on July 14, 2025, 1:45 pm, in reply to "Grow up, Elmer"

Uh huh

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