Shortsighted dumb dumbs. If that goal is achieved, finally they too will have to shut up and be quiet. Depending of course on which way the pendulum swings.
My point is that protestors during g the civil rights movement were breaking the law just like the ones in Minneapolis. Do you think they should not have been?
Still ignoring the crucial matter of the form of government
Posted by observer on January 16, 2026, 1:27 pm, in reply to "That wasn’t my point."
as well as its implementation determines justice. Your comparison fails in both cases.
I am now comparing the protests in Minneapolis to the protests during the civil rights movement in the US. Same form of government. Both were breaking laws.
I feel like I am trying to explain this to a 5 year old. Read and think.
when you put people in masks and tell them they don't have to identify, they feel free to do whatever they want.
when you indemnify them of any consequences, that behavior gets worse and worse (i.e. "I can get away with it)
It's like a child who does something wrong and either doesn't get a real punishment or no one finds out. They will do it again.
If police officers have to self-identify, ICE should have that same rule. If they need specific warrants - ditto. It's not rocket science
And before people say "but they're being doxed" - what about Judges? They don't wear masks. There are a lot of jobs that piss people off, but they don't wear masks
ICE breaks laws every day. For example, simply swapping plates between cars, using homemade plates, or covering them is illegal and can lead to misdemeanor or felony charges, vehicle impoundment, and heavy fines.
They impersonate local police. Enter homes forcefully without a warrant (and have no responsibility to fix doors, etc., that get broken in the process).
They are also violating their own policy by conducting enforcement actions at sensitive locations, including schools, hospitals, and churches.
The mask is intimidation. It's meant to cause fear. ICE uses tactics to confuse people (10 guys on 1-2 people, all telling them different orders).
NOW - before you get on a high horse about illegal immigrants, let me say flat out that they either need a path to citizenship. Our immigration system has been broken for a long time. Mind you, having ICE show up at LEGAL proceedings where immigrants go to fulfil their obligations kinda undermines the whole "go the legal way" posture.
Obama was able to deport 3 million people without terrorizing citizens, without flash bangs, without tear gas, and WITHOUT MASKS. So, why can't this administration do so? There is absolutely no reason.
Violent raids, people simply disappearing with no way to contact their family or a lawyer, overstepping state's rights, violating court orders, weaponizing federal agencies, profiling... the list goes on and on. These actions undermine a civil society. 73% of people taken by ICE have no criminal convictions. What happened to the "worst of the worst"
Lying about it doesn’t the facts. ICE acting within the law arresting lawbreakers. The proof is there. Some protesters are rioting, harming agents, damaging equipment. The evidence is there.
Un American lawbreaking and the lies about it will not win in the end. So, continue your infantile and impotent reactions, and enjoy the consequences. You and the mullahs have to learn the hard way.
The protesters in Iran are “breaking the law” too.
(The fake Christians who fail to "love they neighbor as thyself" make me want to puke.)
Moments before Renee Good was shot to death on a Minneapolis street last week, a federal agent ordered her to get out of her Honda Pilot.
Was she legally obligated to comply?
The answer is contingent on many factors, experts said, including the complex interplay of power and jurisdiction among law enforcement agencies. While Ms. Good was compelled to follow a lawful order, it is not clear whether the immigration agents on the scene were acting within their authority.
“What were the ICE officers even attempting to do?” asked Rachel Moran, an expert on police accountability at the University of St. Thomas School of Law in Minneapolis. “There’s a couple of key questions, I think. One is, were they involved in a legitimate enforcement operation at that point? And the second is, was she actually blocking their vehicles?”
Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem has said that agents had been trying to free a vehicle that was stuck in the snow when “a mob of agitators that were harassing them all day began blocking them in, shouting at them and impeding law enforcement operations.”
Putting aside the question that has driven heated debate over the episode — whether the agent’s decision to shoot Ms. Good was reasonable — agents would be within their powers to take action against anyone obstructing a legitimate operation, experts said. But whether Ms. Good’s actions met that test is open to interpretation.
Video of the episode shows that Ms. Good’s Honda was blocking at least one lane of traffic, but cars were able to pass.
That raises the question, experts said, of whether the agent who asked Ms. Good to exit her car was performing what amounts to traffic enforcement, a function of the local police.
Michael Feinberg, a lawyer and former F.B.I. agent, wrote in an article for Lawfare, a legal affairs website, that according to Minnesota statute, peace officers, defined as state or local law enforcement officers, are empowered to enforce the law against stopping on a road or highway, a misdemeanor. Federal agents may serve as peace officers only at the request and under the direction of a state or local officer. (Custody of anyone they arrest, according to the law, must be turned over to a state or local officer.)
Under federal statute, Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents have the power to make arrests for illegal entry to the United States, federal felonies or “any offense against the United States” if it occurs in the agent’s presence.
But the agents’ newly aggressive tactics seem to reflect an expanded view of their power, said Jenn Rolnick Borchetta, the deputy project director on policing for the American Civil Liberties Union, raising concerns about “ICE agents who are supposed to be doing civil immigration enforcement thinking that they’re empowered to take actions like criminal law enforcement.” She added, “There are important differences on the limits of their authority that they don’t seem to be observing.”
If Ms. Good was violating traffic laws in a way that did not interfere with federal agents’ work, one option would be to call for help from the local police.
But in Minneapolis, where federal agents have lobbed tear gas at protesters and dragged a motorist from her car, collaboration among law enforcement agencies has broken down.
Protesters have demanded that police officers even arrest federal agents on charges of using excessive force. Ms. Moran said that some things that ICE agents have done, “like the deployment of chemical weapons intentionally in people’s faces, which is a violation of D.H.S.’s own policies,” could be deemed an assault.
All of which makes it difficult to assess the actions of Ms. Good. “There’s so many of these issues that need to be resolved in this global framework before we can get down to the nitty-gritty of, ‘Was it a lawful order?’” said Geoffrey Alpert, an expert on police use of force at the University of South Carolina.
Situations where officers give conflicting instructions can be particularly thorny, he said. One witness reported that Ms. Good was ordered to leave the scene before being told to get out of her S.U.V. “Had she stayed there, maybe the guy who told her to get out of there would have been upset with her,” Mr. Alpert said.
In the end, people cannot be expected to weigh the finer points of the statute books when faced with a police command. Ms. Borchetta said the A.C.L.U. advises people that “when you get an order, you should follow it.”
Not because failure to do so would be a crime. But rather, she said, “For your safety, period.”
