The Deuce: And yet here we are, going to a bowl game.*

Postgame thread - illiniranger November 30, 2019, 14:08:43

Posted just for this picture - Cunativeson December 5, 2019, 11:55:24
- dots - jdl December 5, 2019, 19:39:11
beat bowl opponent* - Detlef December 5, 2019, 10:26:33
roughy's newest blog post is a worthwhile read* - ArtVandelay December 5, 2019, 10:19:37
- i'll agree with that - illiniranger December 5, 2019, 10:43:49
  - Excellent post * - Taz December 5, 2019, 11:00:03
    - Thanks * - illiniranger December 5, 2019, 11:08:50
- Who? - osklister December 5, 2019, 10:29:16
For lack of a better place, are we recruiting the ESL QB? (Tyler Macon) - TheGandyMan45 December 4, 2019, 17:25:05
- Yes - illiniranger December 4, 2019, 17:31:17
  - Love it! - TheGandyMan45 December 4, 2019, 18:35:00
    - s/b Lovie It! * - Pooter December 4, 2019, 19:00:26
  - Supposedly coming from Sunkett, weren't they? - Illiniphil December 4, 2019, 17:32:13
    - Someone has put that on the board - illiniranger December 4, 2019, 17:37:21
Cory Patterson visited with Antonio Johnson and his family on Monday night - illini21 December 4, 2019, 16:43:05
- his house sure looks like a bar :)* - Mrap24 December 4, 2019, 17:19:34
  - Blew the entire rec room budget on lighting and pool tables, totally forgot to upgrade heat. - osklister December 5, 2019, 10:30:34
A piece of good news, Hayes says he is returning for next season - larue33 December 4, 2019, 15:32:57
- That's great, thanks for sharing* - Blazer December 4, 2019, 15:45:43
Lere Oladipo in the transfer portal.* - Detlef December 4, 2019, 13:59:32
- Fitz losing a fourth year transfer... counseled out? - osklister December 4, 2019, 15:28:05
  - Different kind of athlete, for sure.* - Illiniphil December 4, 2019, 15:47:16
- Still?* - Illiniphil December 4, 2019, 14:11:51
Man I wish the Redbox (eww) Bowl was on 12/31.* - Warrin'_Illini December 4, 2019, 13:48:28
- Yeah, i'd like the extra day before having to fly back for it* - assassin December 4, 2019, 13:49:46
  - I am at a new job and have Tues. and Wed off. Could probably get Monday too - Warrin'_Illini December 4, 2019, 13:52:05
I assume we will not get word on a destination until after the weekend's games?* - TheGandyMan45 December 4, 2019, 13:27:23
- Correct. 12/8.* - PrkrLewis December 4, 2019, 13:30:38
  - Sweet. Been awhile since the announcement process has been relevant to me. Thanks* - TheGandyMan45 December 4, 2019, 13:50:53
here are some interesting stats on our turnover rates - reggiedunlop December 4, 2019, 12:53:47
- I have no idea what these stats are saying* - gvibes December 4, 2019, 13:33:16
  - 000 - gig December 4, 2019, 15:50:25
    - We could just be better next year and win like 8 games. - illiniranger December 4, 2019, 17:16:58
  - ooo - illiniranger December 4, 2019, 13:34:39
- this deserves its own thread - illiniranger December 4, 2019, 13:24:42
- Finally, a stat that demonstrates the obvious truth. * - uofi1998 December 4, 2019, 13:09:29
  - without knowing too much about what the next level stats are looking at, I feel like - ijustkrushalot December 4, 2019, 13:25:03
    - he's measuring havoc rate and turnovers to create "expected turnovers" - illiniranger December 4, 2019, 13:31:09
      - i agree with all of this, and perhaps it makes the most sense with interceptions - Blazer December 4, 2019, 14:20:13
        
        It is fair to attribute some excess turnovers to Lovie - illiniranger December 4, 2019, 14:33:36
        
        Can't disagree with any of that - Blazer December 4, 2019, 15:07:31
      - another way to say it is that the scheme is not responsible for the turnover rate - illiniranger December 4, 2019, 13:40:33
    - Strip sacks and INTs from throws under pressure are not luck. That’s talent. - uofi1998 December 4, 2019, 13:30:58
      - Tony Adam's int late in the UW game pretty great * - Throwsize December 4, 2019, 14:19:34
        
        Certainly. That was a tremendous play by Tony.* - uofi1998 December 4, 2019, 14:32:57
here's an interesting article about the inverted Tampa 2 - illiniranger December 4, 2019, 10:17:16
- Does Lovie ever change? I say "nope". - osklister December 4, 2019, 13:02:48
  - my response is that in the B1G you have to be malleable - illiniranger December 4, 2019, 13:27:00
    - Right. I mean, same message for Lovie and Brad. - osklister December 4, 2019, 14:04:27
- It's so frustrating to watch our LBs start 3 yards from the LOS. Then get swallowed* - longsnapper December 4, 2019, 10:52:26
  - i thought freeing the MLB from conflict part is an interesting trick - illiniranger December 4, 2019, 11:01:05
American-Chinese U vs Chinese U* - PrkrLewis December 4, 2019, 9:11:47
MSU Twitter is thinking pretty heavily they're going to the Bronx? - ijustkrushalot December 3, 2019, 10:32:34
- Jason Kirk has RedBox vs. Cal * - ijustkrushalot December 4, 2019, 8:46:51
  - Cal has a solid D but a bad O - illiniranger December 4, 2019, 9:40:44
  - Damn, sounds like it’s gonna be redbox* - snipes824 December 4, 2019, 8:59:38
- Palm has us in Redbox vs Washington* - Mrap24 December 4, 2019, 8:29:14
  - That would be a bludgeoning * - uofi1998 December 4, 2019, 8:32:13
    - that one would get out of hand * - illiniranger December 4, 2019, 9:39:06
      - Washington would scheme the hell out of exploiting the C2 holes. - uofi1998 December 4, 2019, 9:49:00
        
        they're also much more talented than us - illiniranger December 4, 2019, 9:55:08
        
        So how did they fall to the level of playing in a mid-level bowl?* - Illiniphil December 4, 2019, 10:02:03
        
        they lost 4 games by less than a TD and won 6 of 7 by 2 TDs or more - illiniranger December 4, 2019, 10:13:20
        
        In part, losses to Oregon and Utah, both of which were in the playoff conversation all year. - uofi1998 December 4, 2019, 10:06:32
- Redbox. Lock* - Rynounc99 December 3, 2019, 10:44:39
  - Booked a hotel room just incase* - OrangeSox December 3, 2019, 12:28:44
    - Might do the same, but airfare is a joke. - Dilbert December 4, 2019, 8:56:08
      - I saw that it's almost $700 for american.* - longsnapper December 4, 2019, 9:27:04
        
        I'll fly out on Xmas Eve or Xmas Day since I have family there. Reduces price to $350.* - PrkrLewis December 4, 2019, 9:33:48
        
        Nice, we'd fly in on the 29th, then stay through the week in Mountain View* - longsnapper December 4, 2019, 9:45:03
        
        Short trips are about $500 (29-30 or 29-31)* - Taz December 4, 2019, 9:49:18
        
        I'll probably do a couple days in Santa Cruz after Xmas and go up to SF for NYE.* - PrkrLewis December 4, 2019, 9:48:43
      - You check all 3 airports?* - PrkrLewis December 4, 2019, 9:19:17
        
        Note: I didn't check all airlines. - Dilbert December 4, 2019, 9:22:49
        
        Southwest flies to SFO, OAK and SJC.* - PrkrLewis December 4, 2019, 9:38:33
      - You check all 3 airports?* - PrkrLewis December 4, 2019, 9:19:16
      - I just booked at the Holiday Inn Express in Santa Clara - Detlef December 4, 2019, 9:09:25
        
        Booked through Costco for $350 all-in for 2 nights.* - Dilbert December 4, 2019, 9:22:04
    - I'm staying with friends in mountain view of that happens* - longsnapper December 3, 2019, 12:31:39
  - please* - ECEIllinois December 3, 2019, 11:43:41
  - NYC = Phish NYE, Santa Clara = Grateful Dead NYE. Detroit = Chicago NYE.* - PrkrLewis December 3, 2019, 11:30:08
    - Wow, didn't know Chicago was still touring. Those guys must be pushing 75 by now.... oh wait. - osklister December 4, 2019, 8:58:56
- Stewart Mandel has us playing FSU in Detroit.* - PrkrLewis December 3, 2019, 10:41:06
  - Updated to Redbox vs Cal* - PrkrLewis December 4, 2019, 8:10:23
- Jeebus, let them. Anything is better than NYC in the winter. * - osklister December 3, 2019, 10:39:45
  - Only Illini fans that want the pinstripe live there* - Taz December 3, 2019, 10:40:28
    - just so expensive* - ECEIllinois December 3, 2019, 11:44:05
    - YOU ARE MISINFORMED. NYC>>>> Detroit* - Detlef December 3, 2019, 11:27:43
    - No, not at all. Logistically and date-wise it is ideal for me.... - HectorVillanueva19 December 3, 2019, 11:26:29
    - Negative. - tvillini December 3, 2019, 11:24:42
    - Um no. If I could go that would be tops for me - bjl63 December 3, 2019, 10:45:20
      - Detroit is great. New York is awesome. Santa Clara has nice weather* - longsnapper December 3, 2019, 10:49:10
        
        our weather's a little iffy then - assassin December 3, 2019, 11:23:06
      - Detroit sucks but they have many casinos.* - PrkrLewis December 3, 2019, 10:48:04
        
        You can do that here* - bjl63 December 3, 2019, 11:30:18
        
        The casino in Windsor has a sportsbook* - ISeeDeadHawkeyes December 3, 2019, 10:53:34
        
        Convenient to ballet in Canada too. * - osklister December 3, 2019, 10:50:49
        
        we have casinos in Illinois - IlliniSax05 December 3, 2019, 10:49:05
        
        But Illinois doesn't have a bowl game.* - PrkrLewis December 3, 2019, 10:54:47
        
        but if I'm choosing which bowl game would be preferable - IlliniSax05 December 3, 2019, 11:31:47
  - I'd rather go to Detroit and sit in a dome than sit in the cold at Yankee Stadium.* - PrkrLewis December 3, 2019, 10:40:16
    - Serious for a moment: for Chicago people, Detroit would be a far better choice. - osklister December 3, 2019, 10:49:25
      - Just over a 4 hour drive from my house. Not the easiest, but could do round trip in a day* - Taz December 3, 2019, 11:09:42
      - hell take Amtrak* - ECEIllinois December 3, 2019, 10:55:35
        
        That Amtrak always gets delayed. ALWAYS.* - PrkrLewis December 3, 2019, 11:18:49
- Good. I'm looking at Airbnb and hotels right now for 12/27 - 1/1. At least $1k for that stay.* - PrkrLewis December 3, 2019, 10:38:47
  - Glad I booked my NYC hotel about 2-3 weeks ago..... - HectorVillanueva19 December 3, 2019, 11:34:34
Former 4* STL DL Michael Thompson (of OU) enters the transfer portal - UofIL6 December 3, 2019, 10:11:56
- Yes please* - illini21 December 3, 2019, 10:13:29
BTW, is there any news on Doug Kramer? When cerny came in, it got really ugly. - uofi1998 December 3, 2019, 9:08:22
My agglomerated offense thoughts, after stewing for a few days. - ijustkrushalot December 2, 2019, 16:25:28
- "I'd be ok not watching [him] play football ever again" "[he] was actually OK passing" - longsnapper December 3, 2019, 9:15:11
  - i would have preferred Taylor in there as the backup because he does one thing really well - illiniranger December 3, 2019, 10:35:18
    - I agree. I just feel like Robinson is getting shit on disproportionately* - longsnapper December 3, 2019, 10:38:47
      - undoubtedly - illiniranger December 3, 2019, 10:41:13
        
        ... and be healthy. Agree with all this* - Taz December 3, 2019, 10:44:02
        
        With the shots he’s taken this year, another concussion next year is far from inconceivable * - uofi1998 December 4, 2019, 9:50:09
  - I don't know. We've seen him in action in likely 7-8 games in his brief career, some with extended - UofIL6 December 3, 2019, 10:05:41
    - All freshman QBs look like garbage * - meanjeans December 3, 2019, 10:34:52
    - Peters Rating, ypa: 130, 6.8 Robinson, 110.6, 6.2. seems like a back up to me. - longsnapper December 3, 2019, 10:20:07
      - Going back to the Illinois bar, those Peters numbers put him at 77 and 88 in D1, respectively - snipes824 December 3, 2019, 10:32:41
        
        I don't think "matt robinson does not belong in a D1 roster" type comments - longsnapper December 3, 2019, 10:41:00
        
        Those are over the top, yes - snipes824 December 3, 2019, 10:49:52
  - I think you’re judging him by a very Illinois bar - snipes824 December 3, 2019, 9:51:14
  - This Is The Way * - lp December 3, 2019, 9:40:18
  - I tend to agree. I think the frustration is they didn't trust him for the entire first half. - tvillini December 3, 2019, 9:34:22
    - He threw some absolutely horrible passes in the first half. - Illiniphil December 3, 2019, 9:40:47
      - Yes, especially on the run. He doesn't have good arm strength, period. That we were calling plays - Taz December 3, 2019, 9:45:53
- here's a long two part response. - illiniranger December 2, 2019, 17:58:29
- I agree with all of that - reggiedunlop December 2, 2019, 16:35:45
Probably should go to the Peters subthread below but - JacobRDaugherty December 2, 2019, 15:53:29
- i'd add that MN's season was keyed by Tanner Morgan - illiniranger December 2, 2019, 18:10:37
- i think the season goes as he goes - illiniranger December 2, 2019, 18:07:01
- My one thought with Peters is it looks like we run a lot of shitty passing concepts - reggiedunlop December 2, 2019, 16:03:49
  - I'm surprised we didn't throw to the TE more. Reward Reams and Barker a little more - SGIllini1 December 2, 2019, 16:09:11
    - And, we'll have Ford next year* - UofIL6 December 2, 2019, 16:41:00
    - agreed* - reggiedunlop December 2, 2019, 16:15:19
  - I left out hitches, we love some hitches* - reggiedunlop December 2, 2019, 16:07:06
- the Joe Burreaux jersey was college football at its finest* - assassin December 2, 2019, 16:01:06
  - That was great* - IlliniOllie December 2, 2019, 18:28:23
JeffJ says the DIA wants the Pinstripe Bowl against Pitt --> $$$ - Lord Maximus December 2, 2019, 15:39:48
- I think JeffJ has similar "source(s)" as a several people do on here.... - HectorVillanueva19 December 3, 2019, 11:32:01
- Make it happen* - snipes824 December 2, 2019, 16:01:31
- Ugh no.* - ECEIllinois December 2, 2019, 16:01:22
- New York is the one place I don’t want to go to* - CanHartlebHireSnider December 2, 2019, 15:54:07
- This convinces me we probably aren't going to NYC.* - PrkrLewis December 2, 2019, 15:45:34
- Me too, for sure* - JacobRDaugherty December 2, 2019, 15:44:21
- I’ll be there if it happens* - CWR10 December 2, 2019, 15:43:58
Also, did the DIA get new interns starting today? I've gotten 4 emails from them today* - Taz December 2, 2019, 13:32:37
- Pet peeve of mine - snipes824 December 2, 2019, 14:52:08
  - I still remember when UI sent a blast email following our upset of Michigan in 2008 or 2009 - meanjeans December 2, 2019, 15:40:37
  - Maybe not the marketing emails. But since I'm very low level I fund, it is usually interns - Taz December 2, 2019, 15:21:34
    - Interesting. Probably an academia thing* - snipes824 December 2, 2019, 15:31:16
If they raise season ticket prices (see email inside!) for 2020, then I'll get on the hate Whitman - Taz December 2, 2019, 12:54:35
- Probably never going to happen, but watch them actually lower the price. . - Savoy December 2, 2019, 18:14:24
- Surprised deadline is not sooner, would expect some date berfore our bowl game* - Savoy December 2, 2019, 18:04:41
- I think they’ll have a small increase. I like the early renewal option - CubsWonWorldSeries December 2, 2019, 14:44:00
- doesn't that email say prices stay the same by renewing now?* - assassin December 2, 2019, 14:07:22
  - it's creating a false sense of urgency tn hopes of making a sale to lock in 2020 revenue now.* - ArtVandelay December 2, 2019, 14:58:42
    - i know, this is also my job. * - assassin December 2, 2019, 15:37:14
    - At least they are trying to strike while the Iron is warm, I will give them that.... - HectorVillanueva19 December 2, 2019, 15:10:35
  - Yes of course, with the implication being that they *may* raise prices for next season - Taz December 2, 2019, 14:15:21
    - I hope they do raise prices instead of lying about it. - assassin December 2, 2019, 14:20:14
      - I wouldn't consider creating a false sense of urgency (as art says above) as lying - Taz December 2, 2019, 15:33:35
        
        if the ticket pricing doesn't actually go up for anyone, i'd say that's lying - assassin December 2, 2019, 15:38:52
        
        When they say lock in 2019 pricing! I think that leaves wiggle room to say - Taz December 2, 2019, 15:58:41
        
        that's true! then you also burn yourself for the rest of time - assassin December 2, 2019, 16:00:23
        
        How so? I generally ignore the flash sale emails/posts - Taz December 2, 2019, 16:07:54
        
        a constant stream of discounts teaches the consumer never to buy at full price - assassin December 2, 2019, 16:13:16
        
        Interesting thanks * - Taz December 2, 2019, 16:39:16
- you going to the bowl game?* - Detlef December 2, 2019, 12:56:38
  - Probably Detroit only. Can't really swing the other costs and dates - Taz December 2, 2019, 12:58:57
btw, I gained an appreciation for the people that say that the concessions are bad - Gene Parmesan December 2, 2019, 12:41:46
- anyone who attended the game Saturday is a saint* - ArtVandelay December 2, 2019, 15:23:29
- my italian beef from Portillos was good - IlliniSax05 December 2, 2019, 12:43:42
  - Cosign. - tvillini December 2, 2019, 12:44:15
- Same on the missing plays. Left to get lunch right before the interception, finished - Taz December 2, 2019, 12:43:26
I am happy the team made a bowl game. - Detlef December 2, 2019, 12:03:32
- DETLEF and I on the same page.* - Warrin'_Illini December 2, 2019, 13:50:37
would you feel better/worse/the same about the season if we lost to wisconsin & msu - biclops December 2, 2019, 11:30:12
- Or the exact same season but in a different order? Start 2-6, then finish with the 4-game streak - meanjeans December 2, 2019, 13:33:45
  - That would mean we looked better in game 48 than game 1 - Taz December 2, 2019, 13:52:36
- Idk. I want to not see the same bad stuff (that's mostly controllable by good coaching) at the end - Taz December 2, 2019, 12:35:50
- There's no way of answering that without seeing how it played out. - uofi1998 December 2, 2019, 11:39:17
- I think the way we lose would have to be factored. - tvillini December 2, 2019, 11:34:51
  - Phil's point below and this point are both part of it.* - ATL December 2, 2019, 12:00:32
  - My pretty much permanent standard for the program is "will games next year be fun and will we bowl" - ijustkrushalot December 2, 2019, 11:43:24
    - I'm in the same mindset. - tvillini December 2, 2019, 11:54:08
- Recency bias. - Illiniphil December 2, 2019, 11:34:36
- Much worse. That is the type of irrelevant 6-6 win season that I want nothing to do with. - OB25 December 2, 2019, 11:32:38
  - So you're ignoring the Illinipuff piece in the Washington Post and the other national notoriety that - ATL December 2, 2019, 11:59:38
    - I think you misread my post. I’m doing the opposite of that* - OB25 December 2, 2019, 12:08:56
  - Yep. A win against a top 10 team shows more progress* - ECEIllinois December 2, 2019, 11:37:19
I wish roughy was still here. I think he’s missing the point with his ‘stance’ tweets... - OB25 December 2, 2019, 10:05:00
- We all asked before the season to improve to what, 70th in defense (SP+)? - snipes824 December 2, 2019, 11:31:30
- i wonder if there'd be fewer "stance" tweets if the season hadn't been called "magical" by JW - Gene Parmesan December 2, 2019, 11:26:34
  - yea, it was an objectively dumb statement by Whitman. I was feeling Illinois Magic after the game - ijustkrushalot December 2, 2019, 11:33:37
    - Happy birthday! * - illiniranger December 2, 2019, 11:38:48
      - this tweet and reply brought me comfort as I sat in the West Balcony: - ijustkrushalot December 2, 2019, 11:45:19
        
        I saw you and was going to say hi but you weren't there anymore when I got up. Ran into Smitto & - Taz December 2, 2019, 11:55:36
  - Hey now, we also describe Tim Beckman's last season as "magical"* - gvibes December 2, 2019, 11:27:51
- The irony of this tweet combined with his own pinned tweet (ooo) - meanjeans December 2, 2019, 11:07:29
  - Doesn't he already do that with Underwood's recruiting style? "I said 2 years ago this would happen" - Kajagoogoo December 2, 2019, 11:26:16
  - Yes there are people that want to be "right" and thus have a stance, but I'd argue those are few and - Taz December 2, 2019, 11:13:11
  - I'll be honest, I don't know what he means by "stance-free." Doesn't he just have a different stance - gvibes December 2, 2019, 11:10:46
    - I think he's commenting that folks have been Illinois'd to the point that - lp December 2, 2019, 11:16:39
      - I think that most people are just not going to be that happy with a 6-6 season. - gvibes December 2, 2019, 11:35:20
        
        I think the actual feeling is that if the floor for an Illini team was 6-6, he would be enshrined. - tvillini December 2, 2019, 11:58:47
        
        That old yarn has never been true, and I scoff every time I see it. - uofi1998 December 2, 2019, 11:47:31
        
        Zook went 7-6, 7-6, with the first back-to-back bowl wins in school history and was promptly fired* - meanjeans December 2, 2019, 13:32:11
        
        I think many fans realize there's a regression coming in 2021, to a certain extent. - Illiniphil December 2, 2019, 11:53:16
        
        6-6 in 2021 = amazing. 6-6 in 2020 = disaster* - gvibes December 2, 2019, 11:57:44
        
        My guess is the Vegas O/U for next year is 5.5. - uofi1998 December 2, 2019, 12:01:42
        
        Non-sequitur really but what was this year's - 4.5?* - lp December 2, 2019, 12:02:57
        
        IIRC, I think it came out super low - like 3.5, and it got bet up.* - uofi1998 December 2, 2019, 12:05:22
        
        I think so* - gvibes December 2, 2019, 12:03:12
        
        Agree. 6-6 next year wouldn't be good. - Illiniphil December 2, 2019, 12:01:32
        
        4-8 or 3-9 are going to happen to you in the B1G - illiniranger December 2, 2019, 11:57:18
        
        10-2? lolok* - suburbanmyth December 2, 2019, 12:00:18
        
        9-3 isn't an unreasonable expectation* - JacobRDaugherty December 2, 2019, 15:34:43
        
        That's probably fair for people like us. - uofi1998 December 2, 2019, 11:56:53
        
        Absolutely - snipes824 December 2, 2019, 11:43:48
        
        there is 0 chance that 6-6 will disappoint me next year - ijustkrushalot December 2, 2019, 11:47:22
        
        I think that’s easier to say than feel - snipes824 December 2, 2019, 11:50:00
        
        yea... manner matters. This year was pretty positive but we were two hideous losses from 8-4 - ijustkrushalot December 2, 2019, 11:55:44
        
        But we really weren’t in those games. The score was closer than the play. * - uofi1998 December 2, 2019, 12:16:50
        
        on the flip side, we were 5 seconds of football game from 4-8* - Gene Parmesan December 2, 2019, 12:01:59
        
        6-6 would be bad next year. I think even roughy would agree with that. - gvibes December 2, 2019, 11:49:19
        
        I mean... who are we pushing past? - ijustkrushalot December 2, 2019, 11:54:38
        
        Nebraska looks like they are losing over half their starting defense. - gvibes December 2, 2019, 12:00:28
        
        we really struggle with running QBs - illiniranger December 2, 2019, 12:01:57
        
        yea, i don't see that one. - ijustkrushalot December 2, 2019, 12:05:37
        
        they will be exactly the team they always are - illiniranger December 2, 2019, 12:07:38
        
        I think a sad way to look at my point above: - ijustkrushalot December 2, 2019, 12:10:07
        
        the B1G W is getting better - illiniranger December 2, 2019, 12:00:21
        
        We could be a much better team next year, and finish with the same record.* - uofi1998 December 2, 2019, 11:48:21
        
        Here's where the idiosyncrasies of my personal fandom come out - lp December 2, 2019, 11:52:55
        
        Let me say this back a little differently and see if I agree... - uofi1998 December 2, 2019, 11:56:10
        
        I kinda disagree, I'd rather have 2019 than 2010 - ijustkrushalot December 2, 2019, 12:02:13
        
        Not to the Wisconsin level, but smoking Penn State in Happy Valley was a big deal for us back then.* - uofi1998 December 2, 2019, 12:06:41
        
        Nice. Figured you'd have the perfect comp.* - lp December 2, 2019, 11:57:22
        
        yeah, and that makes sense too* - lp December 2, 2019, 11:40:56
        
        Maybe not in a sustained sense, but as a point along the current spectrum, 6-6 is quite acceptable. - Illiniphil December 2, 2019, 11:39:23
    - it's fine to be honest about the team's strengths and flaws. it's not when you say dumb things to.. - suburbanmyth December 2, 2019, 11:15:30
      - wow man you're so money* - lp December 2, 2019, 11:17:39
    - his stance is we are on track - illiniranger December 2, 2019, 11:14:12
  - maybe he should worry less about being mr. fan police - IlliniSax05 December 2, 2019, 11:09:36
- I really really really thought that game against NW was going to be the game we had against Iowa. - tvillini December 2, 2019, 10:20:46
  - NW entered the game with the worst offense in the conference decimated by injuries. - illiniranger December 2, 2019, 10:31:21
    - Ahem, worst in FBS * - meanjeans December 2, 2019, 11:08:15
    - I also wonder if Fitzee didn’t screw his team by not playing Marty sooner - bjl63 December 2, 2019, 10:50:22
      - they essentially turned into a single wing team - illiniranger December 2, 2019, 10:59:07
        
        I feel like we got Reilly O'Toole'd - ijustkrushalot December 2, 2019, 11:07:16
        
        the ROT NW game we were a lot more balanced and benefited from TOs. - illiniranger December 2, 2019, 11:10:24
        
        yeah, I did the same... the Penn State game is probably a better example - ijustkrushalot December 2, 2019, 11:13:54
        
        we got ass blasted by the worst offense in the conference - illiniranger December 2, 2019, 11:17:28
        
        oh lack of a serviceable QB was the thing that was gonna get Lovie shitcanned - ijustkrushalot December 2, 2019, 11:21:51
        
        I've gained a massive appreciation for Brandon Peters this season. - uofi1998 December 2, 2019, 12:10:13
        
        QB play next year will be the difference - illiniranger December 2, 2019, 11:24:16
        
        I'd say the OLine will be the difference vs the qb. A competent OL can help a lot. - SGIllini1 December 2, 2019, 16:06:23
    - Was one of the showcase games for 'it's won in the trenches' - UofIL6 December 2, 2019, 10:35:26
      - NW attempted 10 passes. 34 of their 55 pass yards came on one play. - illiniranger December 2, 2019, 10:39:28
        
        In 2003 they didn't throw a damn pass the entire second half - ijustkrushalot December 2, 2019, 11:00:14
  - I had a terrible feeling all week about the NW game. - Warrin'_Illini December 2, 2019, 10:23:24
- he made many more points than simply calling out stance-defending - suburbanmyth December 2, 2019, 10:18:09
  - I don’t disagree with that point. I have some questions about the defense improved ENOUGH... - OB25 December 2, 2019, 10:28:04
    - taking it on a game-by-game basis is a weird way to look at it.... - suburbanmyth December 2, 2019, 10:32:16
      - As I said on Twitter, we had some good wins and some luck. But the losses tended to include - Taz December 2, 2019, 10:36:20
        
        my concern is similar to the bears from last year to this one - Mrap24 December 2, 2019, 10:38:51
        
        turnovers are sustainable if you're really talented and well coached - illiniranger December 2, 2019, 10:46:09
        
        right, so if we go back to 1.5 per game, which is still good, where are we? - Mrap24 December 2, 2019, 10:49:38
        
        it depends on the timing so it's impossible to say - illiniranger December 2, 2019, 10:58:01
        
        also, where TOs happen matters and whether or not they end up in the endzone - illiniranger December 2, 2019, 11:12:31
        
        If you're physically dominant, you're generally going to create turnovers by being physically... - uofi1998 December 2, 2019, 11:31:12
        
        wait, it matters where and when a TO occurs?* - suburbanmyth December 2, 2019, 11:12:56
        
        exactly. which is why they are hard to control for, i.e. turnover success is the least sustainable - illiniranger December 2, 2019, 11:15:47
        
        none of what you are saying is mathematically principled at all* - suburbanmyth December 2, 2019, 11:17:42
        
        He's just saying that past turnover success isn't predictive of future turnover success. - gvibes December 2, 2019, 11:25:43
        
        look at our yards/carry over the past several years - suburbanmyth December 2, 2019, 11:28:12
        
        OK* - gvibes December 2, 2019, 11:29:11
        
        lol. awesome. looks like you've surrounded the issue pretty well* - lp December 2, 2019, 11:29:04
        
        don't ask me - illiniranger December 2, 2019, 11:18:51
        
        and what would we be if we lost 1.5 yds/carry compared to what we actually did? - suburbanmyth December 2, 2019, 10:51:19
        
        rushing yardage is more easily sustainable than turnovers - IlliniSax05 December 2, 2019, 10:58:26
        
        maybe that's true -- i don't know. what are average yards per carry over the past several years?* - suburbanmyth December 2, 2019, 10:59:54
        
        here you go: - Mrap24 December 2, 2019, 11:03:34
        
        so pretty significant variance (as i imagine most things are on CFB team) - suburbanmyth December 2, 2019, 11:05:49
        
        I think turnovers as a defensive scheme is sustainable. The issue is, do we have anything else? * - Taz December 2, 2019, 10:45:43
        
        is it sustainable at this rate?* - Mrap24 December 2, 2019, 10:50:13
        
        Idk, but can we win without it? That can't be the only thing we've learned to do well in 4 years* - Taz December 2, 2019, 10:56:45
Dissecting the year... there were two games I feel awful about - ijustkrushalot December 2, 2019, 9:06:49
- The Nebraska loss feels bad in retrospect* - CanHartlebHireSnider December 2, 2019, 9:09:39
  - somewhat, and maybe just becuase I wasn't able to watch that game - ijustkrushalot December 2, 2019, 9:11:36
    - We got dominated but TOs kept us in it - bjl63 December 2, 2019, 10:15:34
      - Yeah, we were fairly out-talented by Martinez, Washington, Robinson, etc. - UofIL6 December 2, 2019, 10:25:55
    - We were up by 14 and as it turned out they were a lot worse than we thought they were* - CanHartlebHireSnider December 2, 2019, 9:18:11
Someone posted about the NG All State team (we have one commit so far). - osklister December 2, 2019, 9:02:35
- Good way to start the day: "NU's win over UIUC provides jumpstart to offseason". - osklister December 2, 2019, 9:48:12
These tweets are always fun. Committed but not - UofIL6 December 2, 2019, 7:35:47
Burger basket enters the transfer portal. We recruited him hard* - OrangeSox December 2, 2019, 6:18:04
- We took a very similar player in Lavar Gardner* - CanHartlebHireSnider December 2, 2019, 7:10:14
- Again? - Illiniphil December 2, 2019, 7:09:34
Jalen St. John reopens recruitment. Get him!* - Cunativeson December 1, 2019, 17:33:39
- again?* - bbonb December 1, 2019, 19:22:05
  - Dammit* - Cunativeson December 1, 2019, 20:39:59
ESPN Bowl projections: 1 vote for Detroit (vs. BC) & 1 vote for Pinstripe (vs. Louisville)* - TheGandyMan45 December 1, 2019, 17:09:48
- I saw 1 for vs. Cal (Redbox)* - Lord Maximus December 1, 2019, 17:54:35
Magical season according to Whitman - illini21 December 1, 2019, 16:46:42
- it was magical for me because i literally dreamt it* - suburbanmyth December 2, 2019, 10:19:03
- Whitman also probably thinks his tenure has been magical, thus the raise and extension* - ArtVandelay December 2, 2019, 8:49:55
  - JFC, people - IlliniSax05 December 2, 2019, 9:19:40
- 2001 and 2007 were magical. We had a couple of magical games this year, but a 6-6 season? - IlliniOllie December 2, 2019, 8:28:53
  - ooo - gig December 2, 2019, 8:39:31
- Four game conference win streak, beating a Top 10 team, biggest comeback in school history - ATL December 1, 2019, 19:58:38
  - mind boggling that folks here think otherwise* - suburbanmyth December 1, 2019, 20:45:08
    - honestly with the two wins over MSU and Wisky, those were magical - gig December 2, 2019, 7:40:12
      - Coming into the season, I was thinking 3-4 gimmes. Non conference and Northwestern. - osklister December 2, 2019, 8:43:19
    - We were expecting 5-7, hoping for 6-6. We got 6-6 in the weirdest way possible. * - ATL December 2, 2019, 6:09:26
- Hey Taz - this is a good insight into how Whitman thinks - illiniranger December 1, 2019, 17:45:51
  - exactly right - this is a window into the culture of the DIA, and what has been wrong for decades!* - ArtVandelay December 2, 2019, 7:09:30
  - I'm with Taz on that, this is dumb. - larue33 December 1, 2019, 18:04:37
    - I think trying to glean Whitman’s thinking from a press statement is pretty dumb - CanHartlebHireSnider December 2, 2019, 8:52:22
    - People are extra red-ass because we looked like total dogshit yesterday - AintHatin December 1, 2019, 19:45:53
      - I was there, I know how bad it was. It doesn't mean that we didn't beat Wisconsin - larue33 December 1, 2019, 21:30:20
        
        I was there also. It was a rotten day - AintHatin December 1, 2019, 21:50:26
      - i lean this way as well aebd * - Throwsize December 1, 2019, 19:58:26
    - yep - snipes824 December 1, 2019, 18:33:47
    - How about he says “we made a bowl game” instead of “magical season” - illiniranger December 1, 2019, 18:13:11
      - Jfc this board * - digs December 1, 2019, 19:07:33
        
        consider the poster(s)* - suburbanmyth December 1, 2019, 19:44:45
      - We had the biggest upset (by point spread) and biggest comeback in school history. - larue33 December 1, 2019, 18:37:06
        
        Doesn't jibe with ranger's position. - Illiniphil December 1, 2019, 18:43:34
        
        show some respect, soldiet* - suburbanmyth December 1, 2019, 19:45:34
        
        Oui oui* - longsnapper December 1, 2019, 19:54:00
        
        #### you phil * - illiniranger December 1, 2019, 19:30:02
        
        LOL. - Illiniphil December 1, 2019, 19:54:24
      - Think it's safe to say we exceeded expectations this year. The win streak was incredible as well* - lp December 1, 2019, 18:27:38
        
        I would agree with this* - TheGandyMan45 December 1, 2019, 18:33:49
        
        We met the minimum requirement, regardless of expectations. If 5 wins is expected in year 4, - longsnapper December 1, 2019, 18:30:23
        
        It’s possible that: - illiniranger December 1, 2019, 19:40:08
        
        Correct. So let's just hold steady instead of - longsnapper December 1, 2019, 19:56:02
        
        I don’t think we should fire Lovie at this point. - illiniranger December 1, 2019, 20:01:07
        
        looks like you’ve surrounded the issue pretty well* - suburbanmyth December 1, 2019, 20:26:48
        
        Agree 100%. I also think that the Whitman criticism when he's public relation-ing is pointless - Taz December 1, 2019, 19:16:43
        
        Longest big ten win streak in how many years?* - lp December 1, 2019, 18:36:37
        
        I mean, that's great and all. But we still "only" won 6 games. Winning steaks in football - longsnapper December 1, 2019, 18:50:22
        
        yeah agreed* - lp December 1, 2019, 19:05:14
        
        Steaks, lasagna, blah blah* - longsnapper December 1, 2019, 18:50:46
      - But my point is really about he thinks you have to eat tons of shit to be good - illiniranger December 1, 2019, 18:15:04
        
        He was part of the 0-fer season and part of building it into a winning team that bowled. - ghost_of_clt December 1, 2019, 19:04:26
        
        And I don't see much sense in that. - larue33 December 1, 2019, 18:40:09
        
        Hopefully he’s looking at many others aside from our beloved RG. - nash December 1, 2019, 18:42:59
        
        Why would you doubt that? - Illiniphil December 1, 2019, 18:45:59
        
        I’m an Illini fan. I always expect/assume the worst.* - nash December 2, 2019, 8:37:49
        
        Duplicate. Sorry.* - nash December 1, 2019, 18:42:58
    - Yep, I want the AD making glowingly positive comments about the coach - IlliniRunner December 1, 2019, 18:06:59
  - Yea. I don't think that Tweet was as well thought out as he would have liked. - OWWDig December 1, 2019, 17:52:52
- “Magical”... careful, don’t trip over that bar, Josh* - IlliniOllie December 1, 2019, 17:34:49
Burger Basket (Dayven Coleman) enters the portal. I recall when he was a sought after Lovie target* - UofIL6 December 1, 2019, 14:14:35
After letting it settle for a day, I still feel pretty discouraged overall. - OB25 December 1, 2019, 13:59:23
- We lost badly yesterday to a 2-9 (0-8) team - illiniranger December 1, 2019, 14:07:20
  - At this point, I just want him to compile enough talent for the next coach - UofIL6 December 1, 2019, 14:13:07
Jalen St John back on the market. Go get him, Lovie/CP* - UofIL6 December 1, 2019, 13:28:19
As gross as that was top to bottom, the fact that we waited that long to get IW on the field - GMAW December 1, 2019, 10:32:33
- Yep exactly. This is why I said I feel that the coaches took some "lucky" wins - Taz December 1, 2019, 13:36:47
  - Worse, it reinforced to the AD that the status quo is fine. It’s not. - uofi1998 December 1, 2019, 13:46:58
    - You have no idea if that's true or not* - longsnapper December 1, 2019, 13:50:10
      - I’m 100% certain the staff is underqualified. - uofi1998 December 1, 2019, 14:06:02
        
        I don’t think the ACs are or should be in the ADs food chain - illiniranger December 1, 2019, 14:15:03
        
        ADs require that HCs make changes. That’s not really unheard of. - uofi1998 December 1, 2019, 14:16:36
        
        It's not Whitman's decision, but that doesn't mean he's happy with it* - longsnapper December 1, 2019, 14:06:46
      - I think the staff is weak. Don’t think that’s really debatable. - illiniranger December 1, 2019, 13:58:05
        
        Agree that the staff is weak. But I don't think there's proof that JW - longsnapper December 1, 2019, 14:04:00
        
        I think he’s satisfied with the progress. - illiniranger December 1, 2019, 14:12:36
        
        I think he’s saying that publicly, anyway. - uofi1998 December 1, 2019, 14:15:08
        
        Whitman has no idea what a big time program looks like - illiniranger December 1, 2019, 14:26:09
        
        That's dumb - Taz December 1, 2019, 14:31:06
        
        Yeah it does. - illiniranger December 1, 2019, 14:37:17
        
        Learning curve? Sure. "Literally thinks it has to be this way"? Dumb* - Taz December 1, 2019, 14:40:33
        
        He does. Everything he’s done screams that. - illiniranger December 1, 2019, 14:43:18
        
        When those coaches took over I’d guess neither of those programs were where Illinois was - IlliniSax05 December 1, 2019, 15:00:20
        
        Ark and CO were both very bad - illiniranger December 1, 2019, 15:19:47
        
        That 2016 team was poorly run. How much better does next year look - JacobRDaugherty December 1, 2019, 15:54:43
        
        If we don't make a bowl next year, Lovie should be fired the Sunday after the seventh loss* - longsnapper December 1, 2019, 14:13:53
- Our players won games despite their coaching? It was the epitome of stupid. * - uofi1998 December 1, 2019, 11:08:44
- and then literally put him in at the worst possible time* - reggiedunlop December 1, 2019, 10:47:37
- Felt he was the best option for our ball club* - WhitmansFolly December 1, 2019, 10:33:55
  - Unless the line suddenly started blocking for IW, it would have made zero difference* - longsnapper December 1, 2019, 10:37:51
    - Probably, but there was literally no reason not to try* - GMAW December 1, 2019, 10:41:20
      - IW: 3/10, 38 yards, 0 TDs, 1 INT. 9 rushes, 16 yards. You want to start a true FR - longsnapper December 1, 2019, 10:55:18
        
        I wanted Isaiah to start, but since that didn't happen, we had a couple options - Taz December 1, 2019, 13:40:17
        
        Seriously, why did you want Isaiah to start?* - longsnapper December 1, 2019, 14:04:40
        
        Why not? What is the downside? - Taz December 1, 2019, 14:38:16
        
        The downside is that it gave us less of a chance to win. He's not better than Robinson* - longsnapper December 1, 2019, 14:41:44
        
        Every game is meaningful. Every game you lose makes it that much harder to recruit * - illiniranger December 1, 2019, 14:41:02
        
        Of course every game is meaningful. Would be nice if the coaches and players acted like it yesterday - Taz December 1, 2019, 15:06:53
        
        People only see the recruiting ranking - illiniranger December 1, 2019, 14:23:20
        
        I never thought that he was going to be a savior based on his ranking - Taz December 1, 2019, 14:44:41
        
        But it's not meaningless. It's not a game that you throw away to "get experience". - longsnapper December 1, 2019, 14:48:52
        
        You have no idea if that’s true or not* - GMAW December 1, 2019, 15:12:52
        
        You can assume that the coaches will play the guy that gives them the best chance - illiniranger December 1, 2019, 15:24:28
        
        I don't know if that's true, coaches will try to do that, but they often make mistakes here* - reggiedunlop December 1, 2019, 15:31:16
        
        When they put in IW at the end, what was the calculus?* - GMAW December 1, 2019, 15:30:40
        
        At best, Robinson got dinged. A dumb decision made out of desperation at worst. - longsnapper December 1, 2019, 15:33:58
        
        also, unless I missed it, there was no mention whatever of Robinson getting hurt* - GMAW December 1, 2019, 15:36:32
        
        Lovie has always been very transparent about injuries so that shocks me. - longsnapper December 1, 2019, 15:38:45
        
        so assume the coaches are playing the best guy except when they aren’t? - GMAW December 1, 2019, 15:35:39
        
        Good take away.* - longsnapper December 1, 2019, 15:37:20
        
        I’m not the one who made the argument* - GMAW December 1, 2019, 15:39:25
        
        This "argument" was about him starting, anyway.* - longsnapper December 1, 2019, 15:41:42
        
        Yes I do. We have actual visual evidence. I'm not claiming not know inner thoughts. - longsnapper December 1, 2019, 15:23:23
        
        IW has thrown 10 passes in college football - GMAW December 1, 2019, 15:34:33
        
        And has completed 3 of them. Has fumbled, and thrown an int. So what screams "START HIM?"* - longsnapper December 1, 2019, 15:36:03
        
        He’s wildly fast and can make guys miss. - GMAW December 1, 2019, 15:37:31
        
        He ran a 4.78 40 yd. that’s not wildly fast * - illiniranger December 1, 2019, 15:52:21
        
        He’s so fast and nimble he got ran down from behind by noted speedster Jordan Glasgow * - illiniranger December 1, 2019, 15:53:48
        
        He's not ready yet. You can tell by 9 rushes for 16 yards. 3-10 passing. - longsnapper December 1, 2019, 15:40:55
        
        I think the angst over Robinson is that he doesn't look like a functional option at all - UofIL6 December 1, 2019, 11:35:34
        
        And you think that the coaching staff would play him if Isiah was more capable?* - longsnapper December 1, 2019, 14:06:11
        
        I know play calling is always a fun hobby horse, but what I saw Saturday was: - tvillini December 1, 2019, 11:47:26
        
        he's just a kid so i'm not going to trash him like many others have but robinson - suburbanmyth December 1, 2019, 11:34:59
        
        Any time in the 2nd half while it was still a game to try to ignite something. Or not at all. - uofi1998 December 1, 2019, 11:15:37
        
        Yep. I'm still trying to figure out what Rod has against Coran. I wish he would have - SGIllini1 December 1, 2019, 11:58:33
        
        You can toss in Rod Smith if you want, but this was/is coaching overall. Start with Lovie. - osklister December 1, 2019, 11:10:28
        
        Agree on all * - illiniranger December 1, 2019, 10:59:16
Maybe it's been posted already: first time ever NU has beaten UIUC five times in a row. * - osklister December 1, 2019, 10:06:27
- fujw, thanks lovie, and hi yoyo!* - Ari Gold December 1, 2019, 10:29:06
  - you're blaming lovie for this 5-game losing streak now? - suburbanmyth December 1, 2019, 11:28:55
    - He’s lost 4 of them. Who else should take the blame? * - illiniranger December 1, 2019, 11:39:46
      - lol* - suburbanmyth December 1, 2019, 11:40:37
        
        This game and 2016 is on him. That 2016 team was really talented - JacobRDaugherty December 1, 2019, 12:55:40
so, it wasn't just a bad dream..still shocked how easily they ran it* - Mismysteri December 1, 2019, 8:08:15
- after sleeping on it I feel slightly better, but not much. - OWWDig December 1, 2019, 8:31:58
  - Maybe I’ll feel better in a few weeks. - uofi1998 December 1, 2019, 8:34:13
    - don't get me wrong...I said slightly better. I mean, we won 6 games so that is a step... - OWWDig December 1, 2019, 11:12:31
    - Much of the midseason success was predicated on takeaways. - WhitmansFolly December 1, 2019, 8:54:59
      - We were much closer to 4-8 than 7-5 - illiniranger December 1, 2019, 10:03:53
        
        Coming into the season, I felt "go bowling or get fired." We're going bowling. Am I satisfied? - longsnapper December 1, 2019, 10:36:37
        
        It matters when you’re outgained by 150 YPG in conference. - uofi1998 December 1, 2019, 11:11:16
        
        I don’t agree with that - illiniranger December 1, 2019, 10:58:45
        
        We know. - Illiniphil December 1, 2019, 14:10:44
        
        Lovie defensive philosophy seems to be centered on "make lewerke throw 6" to the left" - longsnapper December 1, 2019, 11:07:59
        
        Iowa and NW have the same defensive philosophy we do - illiniranger December 1, 2019, 11:14:18
        
        We get no pressure up front. Is that Lovie, Clark, players, or all of the above?* - uofi1998 December 1, 2019, 11:16:49
        
        I dunno, but Lovie is responsible for all of it * - illiniranger December 1, 2019, 11:21:32
        
        The time-to-throw disparity on a game to game basis is mind boggling. - uofi1998 December 1, 2019, 11:25:10
        
        Agreed. And if you look out to 2021, without a significant uptick - WhitmansFolly December 1, 2019, 10:33:10
      - this season’s yardage disparity was every bit as bad as previous years. - uofi1998 December 1, 2019, 9:05:50
        
        oOoOo - ilinni11 December 1, 2019, 9:55:44
        
        One could argue that the TOs led to shorter fields and they did have 5 def TDs* - bulldogmba December 1, 2019, 9:54:12
        
        One could also argue the TOs simply stopped the opposition from gaining more yards. * - uofi1998 December 1, 2019, 9:57:53
        
        Nebraska might have gone for 800 without the TOs * - illiniranger December 1, 2019, 10:22:24
        
        No “might” about it. * - uofi1998 December 1, 2019, 11:15:02
One prediction shows Illinois vs Cal in the Redbox Bowl 12/30 Levi's Stadium Santa Clara* - RSMBob November 30, 2019, 22:56:13
- Jerry Palm also has us Redbox, this one vs Washington - RSMBob December 1, 2019, 14:48:21
- So basically a home game for them. Love those bowls.* - SurfTheBoneyard November 30, 2019, 23:05:50
  - good thing their alums absolutely do not give a shit about major athletics* - ECEIllinois November 30, 2019, 23:11:33
    - Yeah we still might have more fans there. * - assassin December 1, 2019, 1:12:41
Let’s play Miami - CubsWonWorldSeries November 30, 2019, 21:25:57
Once bit twice shy I stopped watching after the 1H. I'm weighing my satisfaction with the season - lp November 30, 2019, 20:03:37
Shamelessly stolen from another forum... - uofi1998 November 30, 2019, 16:48:27
- <yoyo> sign me up for more of that! <yoyo>* - Ari Gold November 30, 2019, 16:53:11
  - in games in which tony adams and peters played the whole game - suburbanmyth November 30, 2019, 16:56:21
    - Adams and Peters have track records of injury issues - illiniranger November 30, 2019, 17:12:46
      - hence my point about depth. when we have our best players on the field, our coaching is magically.. - suburbanmyth November 30, 2019, 17:14:59
        
        You’re talking in a circle - illiniranger November 30, 2019, 17:18:55
        
        you're not describing a circle (and neither am i) - suburbanmyth November 30, 2019, 17:22:37
- performances against Wisky and MSU are mind boggling - OWWDig November 30, 2019, 16:51:34
  - Garbage time yardage in the case of MSU* - uofi1998 November 30, 2019, 16:54:21
    - there was garbage time in the MSU game?* - suburbanmyth November 30, 2019, 16:57:23
      - 31-10 going into the 4th, yes, there was. And then MSU went to sleep. - uofi1998 November 30, 2019, 16:59:06
        
        so if we're just going to discount the positives as luck and prayers, then you undoubtedly - suburbanmyth November 30, 2019, 17:03:42
        
        If just one of those things didn’t happen the way it did, we are talking about 5 wins and a scalding - uofi1998 November 30, 2019, 17:17:16
        
        what is our record in which peters played the whole game? - suburbanmyth November 30, 2019, 17:27:04
        
        Peters QBR is 103 in college football - illiniranger November 30, 2019, 17:29:55
        
        and yet was good enough to win a good number of the games in which he played* - suburbanmyth November 30, 2019, 17:32:43
        
        So you’re saying Peters wasn’t the key to our winning? It was probably the luck of timely turnovers? - illiniranger November 30, 2019, 17:34:38
        
        huh? you suck at linear argument* - suburbanmyth November 30, 2019, 17:36:35
        
        dude; we all know you're smart; stop being a dick * - fizzlepizzle November 30, 2019, 17:38:02
        
        Yo-yos a good punching bag. As harmless as he is gutless. - illiniranger November 30, 2019, 17:39:38
        
        he used to be a very solid poster. don't know what happened. - fizzlepizzle November 30, 2019, 17:41:47
        
        oh my god. it's like jerry sandusky lecturing the rest of us on pedophilia* - suburbanmyth November 30, 2019, 17:38:46
        
        wait, what? * - fizzlepizzle November 30, 2019, 17:40:31
        
        He’ll throw the occasional directionless haymaker. I wouldn’t worry about it - illiniranger November 30, 2019, 17:42:25
        
        thing is, dude used to be one of the most substantitve posters on the OLD deuce. - fizzlepizzle November 30, 2019, 17:45:46
        
        if the refs called the delay of game early in today's game, outcome could've been totally different* - suburbanmyth November 30, 2019, 17:23:10
        
        This JeffFrank impression you’ve been doing going on 5 years now has become threadbare* - Blazer November 30, 2019, 19:58:16
        
        refute me on substance: I’m all ears* - suburbanmyth November 30, 2019, 20:04:42
        
        They dominated the line of scrimmage, 314 rushing yards to 14 - Blazer November 30, 2019, 20:06:11
        
        to declare a huge part of the game is off limits really weakens your position - suburbanmyth December 1, 2019, 11:32:54
        
        I'd argue that the lack of rushing yards is mostly on the OL. I don't blame Peters non-rushing - SGIllini1 December 1, 2019, 11:57:04
- If you’re QB can run or you can RPO... you’re going to scald us. - illiniranger November 30, 2019, 16:50:38
  - for GAP CONTROL, we sometimes don't play it so well - fizzlepizzle November 30, 2019, 17:23:00
  - The offensive numbers are as big an indictment. Under 300 YPG is beyond horrible.* - uofi1998 November 30, 2019, 16:56:36
    - No doubt - illiniranger November 30, 2019, 17:14:21
      - I think he is an average P5 QB. It has been 8 years since we had average P5 QB play - JacobRDaugherty December 1, 2019, 9:30:03
        
        Bouncing back from getting beaten up all season to make game winning plays against UW and MSU... - uofi1998 December 1, 2019, 9:35:25
    - I agree, which was my point above about wisky/MSU* - OWWDig November 30, 2019, 17:04:25
    - I agree, which was my point above about wisky/MSU* - OWWDig November 30, 2019, 17:03:35
last few games are so illinois. play well enough to beat a better opponent on the road and then no - Ari Gold November 30, 2019, 16:47:30
We're the one B1G team that couldn't figure out a way to beat NU. Well, shite-y bowl here we come! - osklister November 30, 2019, 16:38:19
- Still bowling. - Waka November 30, 2019, 16:54:03
  - Yup* - bulldogmba December 1, 2019, 9:56:04
- Stupidly I posted my top-secret plan to winning the game right here. Fitz stole it, Lovie didn't. - osklister November 30, 2019, 16:40:10
  - Now solve the mystery of which one of us is Fitzee.* - illini222 November 30, 2019, 16:43:47
    - Obviously, he signs in as Pooter.* - osklister November 30, 2019, 19:46:51
Going to have a real hard time firing Lovie after the inevitable 7-5 year next year * - gvibes November 30, 2019, 16:29:44
- if we go 7-5, would you fire him regardless?* - suburbanmyth November 30, 2019, 16:42:35
  - I think you can’t as a practical matter* - gvibes November 30, 2019, 17:43:54
    - is there some way we should be looking at it other than practically?* - suburbanmyth November 30, 2019, 18:17:25
      - Yeah, we should consider whether he is the guy, and if he peaks at 7-5, he should be fired. - gvibes December 1, 2019, 0:19:07
- We won two games we led by a combined 5 secs and were outgained an average of 150 yds per B1G game - illiniranger November 30, 2019, 16:38:42
  - And we get a year older - illiniranger November 30, 2019, 16:48:11
    - Zookered. - osklister December 1, 2019, 10:08:18
Annoying ass NU fans sitting behind us - Cunativeson November 30, 2019, 16:12:49
- We're you in West main. NW fans sitting on plaid blankets? - Phytynlini November 30, 2019, 17:29:31
  - East main and no cops involved* - Cunativeson November 30, 2019, 17:31:55
- if people are interested, i can rely an anecdote about NU fans from me... - longsnapper November 30, 2019, 16:16:22
  - Please do. They are the worst* - Cunativeson November 30, 2019, 16:20:44
    - The worst* - Taz November 30, 2019, 16:32:49
      - Yup. Very hatable. * - uofi1998 November 30, 2019, 16:33:52
Box score. 14 yards rushing: - JeffFrank November 30, 2019, 15:29:13
- gonna slur Christ, Jeff? * - fizzlepizzle November 30, 2019, 15:47:45
  - It was nice to see Tua interviewed without crosses on his face* - JeffFrank November 30, 2019, 19:20:35
  - NU is probably more secular, right? * - fizzlepizzle November 30, 2019, 15:48:30
mediocre coach coaches mediocre team to mediocre season ... - fizzlepizzle November 30, 2019, 15:25:53
So Brandon Peters is worth what, 20 points a game over replacement value? - meanjeans November 30, 2019, 15:17:17
- Unless he can block or tackle, I'm not sure he'd have mattered* - longsnapper November 30, 2019, 15:18:23
  - They couldn’t stop the pass al day when we threw it. Peters would have carved them up.* - voiceofreason November 30, 2019, 15:28:45
    - And running would have been more viable with a credible passing threat* - Orangeillini November 30, 2019, 15:47:50
  - Robinson isn’t good enough, but being in 2/12 all day was a bigger deal * - illiniranger November 30, 2019, 15:25:51
    - rod was dumb with the outside runs early. and his lineups/rotations/subpats were questionable - fizzlepizzle November 30, 2019, 15:34:03
    - Also seemed like there was 35 minutes between each of his first half attempts* - longsnapper November 30, 2019, 15:27:47
      - We just played really poorly - illiniranger November 30, 2019, 15:30:02
        
        Yep* - longsnapper November 30, 2019, 15:31:52
        
        That’s a big problem playing all these upperclassmen in game 48 - illiniranger November 30, 2019, 15:34:38
        
        if people are interested, i can rely an anecdote about NU FB players from pops ... - fizzlepizzle November 30, 2019, 15:36:35
        
        Please* - JacobRDaugherty November 30, 2019, 15:39:36
        
        the board won't like them, as they're generally positive about NU athletics. sorry. - fizzlepizzle November 30, 2019, 15:46:00
        
        Good stuff, fizzle * - Pooter November 30, 2019, 15:53:46
        
        So... Nothing about nw athletes?* - longsnapper November 30, 2019, 15:49:28
        
        you've got mail * - fizzlepizzle November 30, 2019, 15:52:23
so... Detroit it is?* - ECEIllinois November 30, 2019, 15:10:04
- Detroit bowl lawyers furiously searching for an "out" as we speak.... - osklister November 30, 2019, 16:41:43
*fart* - Waka November 30, 2019, 14:36:08
Anyone else having connectivity issues with boardhost? I’m trying to blowhard here and I’m getting - meanjeans November 30, 2019, 14:30:18
- I have for about a week on my mobile Chrome browser. Maddening.* - Tuscy November 30, 2019, 14:31:05
  - THANK you. Same, mobile chrome. I was going insane * - meanjeans November 30, 2019, 14:50:34
This season had 2 really successful results, but is hardly a success. - uofi1998 November 30, 2019, 14:25:32
- If we’re not 7-5 or better next year, Lovie should be fired - CubsWonWorldSeries November 30, 2019, 15:11:19
  - 7-5 isn’t good enough - UIHuskie November 30, 2019, 15:42:49
  - We need to be 8-4 or better next year* - JacobRDaugherty November 30, 2019, 15:40:22
- there are medications for bipolar disorder* - suburbanmyth November 30, 2019, 14:54:55
  - I thought you were pre-law. * - uofi1998 November 30, 2019, 16:01:27
    - he backed off. we ought to acknowledge it. he's a very bright guy. * - fizzlepizzle November 30, 2019, 17:24:59
  - dumb slur that's beneath you. * - fizzlepizzle November 30, 2019, 15:28:01
- The 4 game run was all turnovers. Which are hard to control for - illiniranger November 30, 2019, 14:29:16
  - Yep. Turnovers are the 6 wins. Without them, we have.... 4? - uofi1998 November 30, 2019, 14:30:16
    - what would our record be if touchdowns were worth only 2 pts?* - suburbanmyth November 30, 2019, 15:01:24
    - what would our record be if touchdowns were worth only 2 pts?* - suburbanmyth November 30, 2019, 15:01:08
    - Probably 4. This team won two games that they led for a combined 5 secs* - illiniranger November 30, 2019, 14:33:01
      - The only wire to wire wins we had were Akron and Purdue. And the latter was weather luck - uofi1998 November 30, 2019, 14:34:51
Our drive chart: - longsnapper November 30, 2019, 14:22:04
That. Idea with Bobby.....anyone else listen to that? - LPAD November 30, 2019, 14:17:35
- Video, not “idea”* - LPAD November 30, 2019, 14:18:17
incredibly disappointing, but it hasn't erased all of the goodwill from the season for me - snipes824 November 30, 2019, 14:16:53
- Agreed* - CubsWonWorldSeries November 30, 2019, 15:12:03
Shit sandwich* - VIV November 30, 2019, 14:16:09
embarrassing. need a new OL coach * - Detlef November 30, 2019, 14:15:37
- He didn't have a good year* - JacobRDaugherty November 30, 2019, 15:08:07
####, that hurts for so many reasons* - reggiedunlop November 30, 2019, 14:12:02
I’m disappointed but trying to keep some perspective. - opossum jenkins November 30, 2019, 14:11:55
- Northwestern is the worst offense in FBS. This is not an “oops” * - meanjeans November 30, 2019, 14:14:37
  - What were they ranked rushing?* - longsnapper November 30, 2019, 14:16:24
    - 63 of 130* - Mrap24 November 30, 2019, 14:19:11
      - Nm* - meanjeans November 30, 2019, 14:23:28
      - Including today? If they were 63 that’s because of volume. They were #105 in yards per rush - meanjeans November 30, 2019, 14:23:11
        
        before today. Here are the NCAA stats - Mrap24 November 30, 2019, 14:30:46
        
        Yeah that’s due more to heavy run mix than being good at run * - meanjeans November 30, 2019, 15:01:35
        
        I thought they were mid50s but I'm not certain* - longsnapper November 30, 2019, 14:24:31
  - And yet here we are, going to a bowl game.* - opossum jenkins November 30, 2019, 14:15:40
Ooo - IlliniOllie November 30, 2019, 14:11:03
Teams have fired coaches for less * - meanjeans November 30, 2019, 14:10:24
What’s to say? Everything about that sucked. Most of all fitzy * - LPAD November 30, 2019, 14:10:18

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