Wild to me that changing your political views over a 25 year span is some sort of gotcha- FOR DETLEF
But since you want to continue to bring it up, let's talk about it. In short, I've changed some and the Libertarian party has changed some, so I no longer fit best with what they choose to platform. I was 20 the first time I voted in a Presidential election. It was 2000 and I voted for (how's your) Harry Browne. I was fresh off of reading The Fountainhead and Atlas Shrugged and I had a rather narrow view of the world. A wildly positive reading could see it as "idealistic", but a fairer accounting would call it "naive." To be clear, I'm not saying all Libertarians are naive, I'm saying I was. My personal philosophy was (and generally still is- but we'll get to that later) socially liberal and fiscally conservative. In 2000, that's what the Libertarian party roughly claimed to be. I wanted small government, free market capitalism, low taxes, personal freedom, pro-choice, equal rights for all including LGBT, decriminalization of drugs, end to foreign entanglements. It's an easy, comfortable position for a white guy from the suburbs getting a good college education to take. Since 2000, I have changed some opinions. I've kept some the same. The biggest changes come from personal interactions. Notably, I've seen people go bankrupt because they got cancer. I've had friends go to Iraq and Afghanistan and come back broken physically and mentally and get shitty help from the country that sent them there. I've actually talked with immigrants (ILLEGALS!!!!!) who are just here so their kids will have a better life than the shitty one they had when they were young. I've had LGBT friends move from a red state to a blue state because they're worried they'll lose spousal rights. And on a petty personal level, I've blown out like 4 tires because of potholes because our roads are so shittty. So, while I do generally still favor a smaller government, I do think if we're paying into this place, we should focus on things in a more utilitarian manner. We shouldn't spend as much on military as the next 13 highest nations combined. We especially shouldn't do so when we services we get from the country (education, healthcare, infrastructure, public safety) don't keep pace with other first world countries. I think it's possible to both cut taxes and better serve the citizens. I'm happy to discuss any of those points further, should you like. And make no mistake, I'm still a free market capitalist at heart. That doesn't mean we eschew all social programs. I bought the "but those are socialism" lines when I was younger. Not anymore. We've got socialist programs all over our government that are perfectly fine with. I also no longer identify with Libertarians because the Tea Party movement flooded the party with people who were unabashedly conservatives who just didn't like the Republican label. The socially liberal end of the party was essentially cut out and replaced with people with fundamentally silly ideas of what a government is and isn't, arguing all the way down to the now infamous consent age and fire department discussions. At that point I was left with the neoliberal D party (socially liberal, fiscally too liberal for my tastes), the R party (socially conservative with a Theocratic bent, pretends to be fiscally conservative but actually outspends the Ds and now dangerously populist with a smattering of fascism), and a Tea Party L party. So, WTF do I do as a voter? For me, if they're all going to overspend, I'd rather they overspend on things I think are worthwhile. I'd rather my government not harass people just trying to live their lives in peace. I know you have the ability to not just speak in catchphrases. we've actually had conversations before. so, if you'd like to respond with something that's actually thought out, that would be cool. if not, well, that's your prerogative.
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Thread for all the dumb political shit this week, July 28th. - doubledown July 28, 2025, 7:31:05
- Oopsy, Trump ruined the economy in a nation where Trump branded textiles are manufactured. - complainant Today, 5:09:58
- Sounds like Trump & Rubio got a triple murderer freed from a Venezuelan prison - ATL Yesterday, 19:41:12
- Someone in the DOL is gonna get fired over these numbers - timmer Yesterday, 13:23:06
- Right on cue - Mrap24 Yesterday, 13:21:42
- Maxwell moved to a minimum security prison* - AintHatin Yesterday, 12:49:25
- Someone in the GOP is intentionally fucking with them on these things right? There’s no possible - John Coctostan Yesterday, 12:40:12
- Effective tariff rate is 18.3%, which is the highest since….anyone….anyone…. - timmer Yesterday, 12:18:23
- WTF are nukes? - timmer Yesterday, 12:08:29
- Russia seems to be more aggressive in bombing civilian buildings. * - MC Yesterday, 11:58:48
- Saw a pretty good one yesterday referring to AirForce One as the Panda Express... - haighter Yesterday, 11:13:52
- Another honest mistake, I’m sure - Mrap24 Yesterday, 10:24:58
- Honest mistake I’m sure - Mrap24 Yesterday, 10:13:45
- Fragile, fragile tough guy - Mrap24 July 31, 2025, 20:43:30
- Trump puts HHH in charge of NIL - Sounder July 31, 2025, 17:03:34
- Comparing this to regime to Idiocracy is too mean to Idiocracy.* - KingTalkyTiki July 31, 2025, 23:16:14
- Couple things - opey8 July 31, 2025, 21:05:38
- It’s time to play the game* - lcubed July 31, 2025, 18:25:13
- Not the onion* - VIV July 31, 2025, 18:22:29
- Teaming up with sex offenders seems like a good move right about now - UofIL6 July 31, 2025, 18:06:21
- Trump nails Tua's last name - Sounder July 31, 2025, 17:04:34
- Another game of “Who do you believe?” - Mrap24 July 31, 2025, 16:42:50
- Tacky fascist pedophile building tacky-ass ballroom - KingTalkyTiki July 31, 2025, 14:33:47
- I think I went to a wedding reception in that room in South Jersey in 1996* - Sounder July 31, 2025, 16:26:21
- at least Melania now has an excuse to never be there* - assassin July 31, 2025, 15:29:42
- Let them eat hamberders.
- tvillini July 31, 2025, 15:12:10
- Nice to see acknowledgement that Trump's term does indeed end. * - doubledown July 31, 2025, 15:08:32
- voting for the first candidate that promises to take a wrecking ball to it on day 1* - ECEIllinois July 31, 2025, 15:00:24
- “The People’s House”* - SurfTheBoneyard July 31, 2025, 14:41:15
- Epstein Island underwear'd massagee sues farmer's market - ATL July 31, 2025, 11:00:21
- Trump pulls a TACO on Mexico* - Stu July 31, 2025, 10:32:53
- Props when due: Hawley is helping a new push on stock trading bans - ghost_of_clt July 31, 2025, 9:33:36
- When it comes to "dumb political shit" this Sydney Sweeney thing takes the cake. - ATL July 31, 2025, 9:26:38
- maybe not the best environment for an ad campaign about "good genes" - Sammich July 31, 2025, 9:41:20
- What is the specific product she is selling in the ad?* - GMAW July 31, 2025, 13:44:31
- jeans
- IlliniSax05 July 31, 2025, 14:11:47
- when was the last time anyone thought about american eagle? - VIV July 31, 2025, 10:45:25
- before today? 1982 when they came to Marketplace* - memyselfandillini July 31, 2025, 15:40:00
- Abercrombie, Hollister, and AE have been regaining popularity the last few years... - longsnapper July 31, 2025, 13:53:12
- I buy jeans from there. - EffinIllini July 31, 2025, 11:46:22
- Poppin’ collars* - Sounder July 31, 2025, 10:46:12
- Good lord* - illini21 July 31, 2025, 10:05:44
- You really think they were anticipating this controversy and didn’t simply pick a popular attractive - jjlocke923 July 31, 2025, 9:59:40
- that last option - Nobster July 31, 2025, 9:49:13
- That's her own dog*
- CanHartlebHireSnider July 31, 2025, 9:45:04
- it's gotta be your bull* - VIV July 31, 2025, 11:06:54
- she's got a pittie, too - Sammich July 31, 2025, 9:56:32
- did someone use a whistle to call it? - Nobster July 31, 2025, 9:50:12
- Oh, so you're saying she IS a Nazi?!?!?!? - ATL July 31, 2025, 9:48:10
- What is the controversy? She apparently has good genes and is wearing jeans* - timmer July 31, 2025, 9:33:47
- I literally turned on NBC News midday yesterday and I heard someone say it was hinting at eugenics - CanHartlebHireSnider July 31, 2025, 9:28:17
- So the DC plane crash wasn’t caused by DEI after all - Stu July 31, 2025, 5:05:48
- P&G announce they are raising prices bc of tariffs* - Mrap24 July 30, 2025, 21:32:23
- Multiple outlets reporting Trump has reached out to Diddy's legal team about possible pardon - opey8 July 30, 2025, 20:10:23
- Government estimating inflation data at an alarming rate vs collecting data - VIV July 30, 2025, 16:42:29
- Musk’s political party was just a way to blow off steam about the BBB - ATL July 30, 2025, 16:29:55
- De minimus exemption to be repealed on August 29 - ATL July 30, 2025, 15:55:20
- Brazil executive order out for 50% tariffs, but excludes major Brazilian exports* - Carl Spackler July 30, 2025, 15:09:19
- Trump and the EU have completely different takes on the recently announced trade 'deal'. - larue33 July 30, 2025, 14:46:52
- Well, Trump did something good in terms of the India tariffs - Stu July 30, 2025, 14:37:11
- to no surprise, fed leaves rates unchanged* - assassin July 30, 2025, 13:04:09
- Saw this pop up on my feed and thought it was from a far right wing influencer or something similar - OB25 July 30, 2025, 11:07:22
- Judge Bove. FFS.* - Tortillini July 29, 2025, 20:49:43
- Trump tells reporters today that Epstein 'stole' Virginia Giuffre from him - larue33 July 29, 2025, 20:22:34
- Observation: Currently in Orange Beach, AL… - EffinIllini July 28, 2025, 22:51:08
- Bad day to be a fat tub of shit: - Chuck Woodaby July 28, 2025, 21:21:40
- Active Shooter in Midtown Manhattan* - Sounder July 28, 2025, 19:26:19
- hang on, we have two OTHER air force ones coming from Boeing in 2027? - VIV July 28, 2025, 15:19:14
- dems tumble in new poll - Ari Gold July 28, 2025, 13:33:07
- Propaganda works. * - doubledown July 28, 2025, 16:08:41
- Now the market is down, despite the huge, enormous, ironclad, perpetual EU trade agreement* - Stu July 28, 2025, 14:31:21
- And yet… - Carl Spackler July 28, 2025, 13:56:48
- probably because the democratic party sucks. * - VIV July 28, 2025, 13:47:36
- meh, that's just because Dems are annoyed with them* - reggiedunlop July 28, 2025, 13:41:48
- Jay Leno told millions of Clinton jokes; not sure what he is talking about here.* - Toonces July 28, 2025, 11:12:26
- The Late Night host equivalent of a mayonnaise sandwich on wonder bread. - KingTalkyTiki July 28, 2025, 10:54:50
- In normal times I would agree but Trump and his supporters should be mocked at every turn.* - Warrin'_Illini July 28, 2025, 8:48:47
- Saw Jay in Champaign last year - illini222 July 28, 2025, 8:27:03
- Our globalist president promi$e$ foreign aid/sticks his neck into myriad international conflicts. - complainant July 28, 2025, 8:26:31
- "FOLKS!!"* - ArtVandelay July 28, 2025, 8:15:51
- You’re both correct* - jjlocke923 July 28, 2025, 8:08:59
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