The Deuce: You should definitely move out of the city.

record property tax increases slam chicago homeowners - Ari Gold November 18, 2025, 16:17:15

Tangential…for all the reports of our imminent demise…my friend just took a 105k price increase…. - haighter November 19, 2025, 9:41:52
- Assume that’s ~10% over ask? Unfortunately (for buyers), that’s not even that bad in SF* - snipes824 November 19, 2025, 12:54:35
  - happens in chicago now, basically all the time. and most stuff sells in less than a week. at least - cpsteine November 19, 2025, 13:55:39
    - Yea...I'm not sure why he raised the listing from 1.495 to 1.6...but it'll be interesting to see... - haighter November 19, 2025, 14:00:14
      - In my experience it's very common to list your house just under a million - Sounder November 19, 2025, 14:10:37
- Well now that crime in Chicago is at a decades low... - KingTalkyTiki November 19, 2025, 11:45:14
  - ooo - Ari Gold November 19, 2025, 12:48:15
    - Oh no! Less children under 5? - KingTalkyTiki November 19, 2025, 12:59:56
      - Serious question - Sounder November 19, 2025, 13:40:14
        
        Good question to ask* - reggiedunlop November 19, 2025, 15:36:23
        
        Basket of Services - we've kinda abstracted local government out to pick and choose what it spends - ijustkrushalot November 19, 2025, 14:55:35
        
        schools and space* - gvibes November 19, 2025, 14:43:04
        
        Forgot: Where the jobs are in some cases* - Chilango November 19, 2025, 14:41:55
        
        Schools, space, cost, fear, peace and quiet - Chilango November 19, 2025, 14:40:04
        
        4 of those 5 are valid* - Sounder November 19, 2025, 14:41:18
        
        Who am I to tell someone their motivation is wrong* - Chilango November 19, 2025, 14:42:26
        
        I'm just saying the safety perception is mostly propaganda* - Sounder November 19, 2025, 14:49:02
        
        I'm a city guy, but I have to disagree with you on that one* - jjlocke923 November 19, 2025, 15:13:24
        
        I think he's mostly right* - Chilango November 19, 2025, 15:15:23
        
        I'm not saying it's not safer in the suburbs, of course it is - Sounder November 19, 2025, 15:18:26
        
        I guess that makes sense if you're talking about the chance of actually getting hurt* - jjlocke923 November 19, 2025, 15:20:12
        
        Schools and space* - ISeeDeadHawkeyes November 19, 2025, 14:29:31
        
        All of the above and more?* - Chicago1995 November 19, 2025, 13:46:27
        
        We moved to the suburbs when we had mini because I don't think I could have handled - ATL November 19, 2025, 13:42:51
      - Seattle famously has more dogs than children* - Sounder November 19, 2025, 13:39:10
        
        Sounds beautiful* - KingTalkyTiki November 19, 2025, 13:53:51
        
        I'm not mad at it - Sounder November 19, 2025, 14:11:59
      - ooo - VIV November 19, 2025, 13:09:39
        
        Point tooken.* - KingTalkyTiki November 19, 2025, 13:10:39
    - This drives me crazy (not referring specifically to you, Ari). But, the graph you showed is a huge - reggiedunlop November 19, 2025, 12:54:33
      - I'll leave this to the Chilangos of the world who are doing it successfully... - KingTalkyTiki November 19, 2025, 13:10:05
        
        Thanks dude. - Chilango November 19, 2025, 14:27:26
        
        Inconveniences are definitely part of it, but so is cost - snipes824 November 19, 2025, 13:15:00
        
        Affordability is increasingly completely out of control - Sounder November 19, 2025, 13:42:19
        
        It’s pretty much all housing and childcare - snipes824 November 19, 2025, 13:48:26
        
        It feels like only the rich can afford children - Sounder November 19, 2025, 14:02:58
        
        ...or, and hear me out, just tell people they should have more kids and do little to nothing.. - KingTalkyTiki November 19, 2025, 13:17:49
        
        Yes, the GOP is awful. But I’d like the places that are run by democrats to deliver more - snipes824 November 19, 2025, 13:23:26
        
        Is the cost of daycare significantly lower in the suburbs? Honest question. - longsnapper November 19, 2025, 13:55:43
        
        It was maybe 20% cheaper in the burbs vs Chicago. - Carl Spackler November 19, 2025, 14:40:20
        
        Been a long time, but I don't think it was noticably different in the burbs for us. - Chicago1995 November 19, 2025, 14:18:53
        
        I've yet to find a suburb that feels as small town as an actual city. And by small town, I mean - longsnapper November 19, 2025, 14:24:52
        
        Late to the thread but I agree a lot here…maybe some of it is bias… - haighter November 20, 2025, 8:24:09
        
        It's rare that I see, let alone meet, a neighbor when I visit friends or families in the burbs. - longsnapper November 20, 2025, 8:54:52
        
        My experience is completely different - Chicago1995 November 19, 2025, 14:36:20
        
        I spent a week in Peoria a few months ago - Sounder November 19, 2025, 15:13:52
        
        I have no basis to compare. - Chicago1995 November 19, 2025, 15:23:02
        
        Are you embarrassed when you tell your friends you are from Peoria? - jjlocke923 November 19, 2025, 15:17:36
        
        I'm actually quite proud of it, do you tell all your friends you're a huge cunt?* - Sounder November 19, 2025, 15:23:19
        
        I only said that because usually you reference all of the bad things about it. - jjlocke923 November 19, 2025, 15:26:39
        
        My whole point is that it's way worse than it used to be - Sounder November 19, 2025, 15:28:51
        
        I also think different folks have different level of "surburbia" tolerance - ISeeDeadHawkeyes November 19, 2025, 15:02:54
        
        Very true. - Chicago1995 November 19, 2025, 15:27:15
        
        The thing that always strikes me about visiting my family in Peoria area - Sounder November 19, 2025, 15:30:58
        
        Same with the Quad Cities - Chicago1995 November 19, 2025, 15:59:44
        
        Think you also have to consider distance from the city - ISeeDeadHawkeyes November 19, 2025, 15:29:04
        
        Distance to the city definitely matters. - Chicago1995 November 19, 2025, 15:58:07
        
        Too many choices is overrated - Sounder November 19, 2025, 15:25:16
        
        Pre-war suburb vs post-war suburbs. - KingTalkyTiki November 19, 2025, 15:14:20
        
        too much caffeine.* - KingTalkyTiki November 19, 2025, 15:14:20
        
        I have no idea. I assume maybe not. I’m speaking purely from a core HCOL city perspective - snipes824 November 19, 2025, 14:02:52
        
        I have a hard time reconciling that the suburbs are some magically cheaper place. - longsnapper November 19, 2025, 14:21:26
        
        I can’t speak for Chicago. I can speak for NYC, Denver, and the Bay Area - snipes824 November 19, 2025, 14:39:46
        
        Yes, but that's just a single metric. It's not a solvable or definable equation, I know, but - longsnapper November 19, 2025, 14:58:58
        
        Now that I'm older and go out way less than I used to - Sounder November 19, 2025, 15:32:33
        
        Every situation is unique. If that’s yours, I get it - snipes824 November 19, 2025, 15:08:13
        
        Both A and B are massive massive problems in this country - Sounder November 19, 2025, 15:33:58
        
        Your take on this matter is absolutely insane to me - Sounder November 19, 2025, 15:04:31
        
        It might be the primary "reason" people do it, but it doesn't make it a certainty. - longsnapper November 19, 2025, 15:21:23
        
        affordable space* - Sounder November 19, 2025, 15:35:20
        
        Yep, unused sitting rooms included with every purchase!* - longsnapper November 20, 2025, 8:46:37
        
        Ewww...don't East Bay... * - haighter November 19, 2025, 14:46:59
        
        Would love not to, but when I face the market reality… - snipes824 November 19, 2025, 14:55:38
        
        I absolutely loved living in Walnut Creek - Sounder November 19, 2025, 15:01:32
        
        Too far out for me, and more true suburbia - snipes824 November 19, 2025, 15:10:25
        
        When we moved to Seattle, our baseline for what we wanted in a neighborhood - Sounder November 19, 2025, 15:27:20
        
        Yep, we’d kill to be in Rockridge. It’s unfortunately entered the SF pricing tier for the most part* - snipes824 November 19, 2025, 15:33:14
        
        It's kind of funny to have moved to Seattle from the Bay Area - Sounder November 19, 2025, 15:37:12
        
        Yes, this is what I am saying. Also, you shouldn't be limited on how many kids you can have - reggiedunlop November 19, 2025, 13:25:19
        
        Yeah there’s absolutely no chance we can have a second kid purely based on cost* - snipes824 November 19, 2025, 13:31:50
        
        IMO, in the modern world, anyone who has more than 2 kids - Sounder November 19, 2025, 14:04:21
        
        And we need to change that* - reggiedunlop November 19, 2025, 14:04:44
        
        I have conflicting thoughts on this topic - Sounder November 19, 2025, 14:09:34
        
        To put it more clearly, Dems have done almost nothing in these cities to promote families to - reggiedunlop November 19, 2025, 13:26:28
        
        Most new units being built in cities are studios and 1BR’s - snipes824 November 19, 2025, 13:36:00
        
        *Ding* So look at all the "cities" gaining these families with youth that Ari shared - KingTalkyTiki November 19, 2025, 13:46:19
        
        Exactly. It’s a big problem. I wish there would be a broader mix of unit types in newer builds - snipes824 November 19, 2025, 13:52:22
      - correct. but the public schools / property taxes don't help either.* - Ari Gold November 19, 2025, 12:57:11
        
        My kids have awesome schools - Chilango November 19, 2025, 14:09:39
        
        yeah the schools in Winnetka are crap* - Poldark November 19, 2025, 14:36:06
        
        Reductio ad Absurdum from the town drunk - Chilango November 19, 2025, 14:37:47
        
        "they would be worse in ANY Chicago suburb" - Poldark November 19, 2025, 14:44:31
        
        0o0o0 - Chilango November 19, 2025, 15:13:35
        
        Re: 0o0o0 - Poldark November 19, 2025, 15:48:46
        
        “Chicago Parent” - Chilango November 19, 2025, 20:56:23
thanks, trump* - VIV November 19, 2025, 8:42:25
- that's pretty much the politics thread?* - Ari Gold November 19, 2025, 12:44:46
  - oh, just following precedent. * - VIV November 19, 2025, 12:47:57
Maybe they should start properly reassessing taxes on new construction and renovated properties - deadpoolOG10 November 19, 2025, 8:41:51
Gotta make up for flagging revenue due to Trump’s economy somehow - ATL November 18, 2025, 17:28:13
- if 2 out of 3 ain’t bad, then 3 out 4 has to be good?* - Ari Gold November 19, 2025, 7:17:48
  - I'm just waiting for a Republican president in my adult lifetime to leave the economy better than he - ATL November 19, 2025, 8:21:49
    - This one won't be able to do it even with multiple tries.* - KingTalkyTiki November 19, 2025, 13:48:48
You should definitely move out of the city. - KingTalkyTiki November 18, 2025, 16:45:06

wisconsin's looking pretty good at this point!* - Ari Gold November 18, 2025, 16:50:27
- Try paying property taxes in both places... - KingTalkyTiki November 18, 2025, 16:56:09

Twitchy trigger finger.* - KingTalkyTiki November 18, 2025, 16:45:06
Suck it, home owners* - timmer November 18, 2025, 16:28:14
- like landlords aren't passing it off to renters* - torinese November 19, 2025, 10:51:18
- Boomers getting off light if you ask me.* - Warrin'_Illini November 18, 2025, 16:32:59
  - By dying off before the full ramifications of their 40 years of shitty stewarding kick in? - KingTalkyTiki November 18, 2025, 16:50:22
  - It will go down in the books that boomers fvcked up this country permanently* - timmer November 18, 2025, 16:49:35
    - 100%* - KingTalkyTiki November 18, 2025, 17:01:41

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