on January 24, 2026, 14:13:52, in reply to "If you put someone in serious danger by your actions and they die, then it's murder"
Previous Message
In the eyes of the law.
Unless you're a cop, I guess. Previous Message
I also see nothing that could definitively prove it was murder.
I just see a tangle of indistinguishable limbs in the same color gear from 50 feet away, unnecessary force, and a tragic killing that almost certainly could (and should) have been avoided. Previous Message
Until it was removed by an ice agent.
His hands were pinned down by the other agents when he was shot. They can't even say he was reaching for his gun (which he was legally carrying).
It's murder. Previous Message
But I don't know how anybody can look at that video and claim a definitive answer one way or the other.
That is NOT to excuse lethal force, or why they needed 6 agents to subdue one guy. But there is no way to tell what happened that prompted the first shot. Previous Message
They of course say otherwise. His gun was holstered and he didn't attack them. Previous Message
41
Message Thread