i don't know Archived Message
Posted by illiniranger on November 17, 2021, 11:04:20, in reply to "It would seem like you don't hire Terry Hawthorne unless you want to get back in at ESL"
he wants to get into coaching and is an alum, so he gets the job? could be just a happy coincidence that they wanted a guy and Hawthorne fit the profile. |
Otherwise, what's the point?
also, what is the point of Cory Patterson at this stage? it might be time to move him along.
And will be again next year I think.
But yeah, I assume we’ll continue to get shut out there moving forward.
we have no chance with any of them.
i would say a Jimmy Rolder type is about our ceiling. Feagin is currently right in that range.
…demonstrating commitment to the staff by way of the recent Walters news. We have the built in advantage of almost never running out of $ being a Big Ten school.
Top 40-45 is where we can live in recruiting and be in good shape. There are guys like Zook who are just born to recruit. That was a unicorn at illinois. I’m satisfied we have a guy who has a zest for it, but also truly knows how to run a college football program. I’m hoping it leads to stability.
I do really believe that attempting to repair in-state bridges from day 1 will result in some kind of recruiting pay off - the 2023 big RB from downstate whose name escapes me will be a good litmus test.
there are not a ton of examples of very slow build to excellent recruiting. it's a gift some people have and others do not.
i think BB is good at it, but he's clearly not Ron Zook. i would be surprised if we can't land them now but then we start landing them in 4-5 years. Even as good as Wisconsin has been for 30 years they really don't recruit nationally ranked kids outside the OL position group. they can't land 5* RBs even though they play in a perfect system for those guys.
we're going to make money with the Hunter Whitenack's of the world or we are going to be talking about another coach in 4 years.
...OSU, Michigan, LSU, et al. for a recruit.
Getting Beason out of Dallas wasn't exactly the rule. It was the winning lottery ticket exception. It took promising Isaiah Williams he could play a position he's not equipped to play to get him.
Generally, Chicago-area kids have negative interest in Illinois football - especially when they hold equal or better offers. It's going to take time, and even then, we'll never get them all. Chicago is more capital of the Midwest than largest city in Illinois. Obviously, I'm not breaking any news here... we all know this.
Get the kids you can, coach them up, and build a sustainable foundation. Beat Iowa and Minnesota for kids. Occasionally beat Wisconsin until you can beat them more regularly. Ultimately, keep ascending. In 4-5 years, maybe this looks a whole lot different. Early returns have promise.
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- Bielema tests positive for Covid per Werner - out for Iowa - Jersey November 16, 2021, 9:17:25
- James Kreutz Hudl - uofi1998 November 18, 2021, 22:30:39
- Could be worse, guys. UI could have just increased the admission standard for athletics. Like Tulane - Carl Spackler November 18, 2021, 21:33:56
- pretty soon he's gonna test positive for Friday beers* - Tortillini November 18, 2021, 14:38:34
- smoke signals of Kiffin to Miami - illiniranger November 18, 2021, 12:10:41
- If he opts to leave Ole Miss, he can do better than Miami - bjl63 November 18, 2021, 14:43:42
- Makes sense. Much easier road to CFP via MIami than via Ole Miss. - HectorVillanueva19 November 18, 2021, 13:06:42
- If true, I absolutely am in awe at his ability to leave to a crater everywhere he's been in his life - ijustkrushalot November 18, 2021, 13:02:47
- Who is hiring Lane? - EffinIllini November 18, 2021, 12:48:39
- Hmmm... will they have the $ to compete with SEC schools?* - uofi1998 November 18, 2021, 12:12:47
- Big Ten coaching news... holy freaking crap Mel Tucker... - uofi1998 November 17, 2021, 14:01:11
- 16-13 college record* - bbonb November 18, 2021, 14:52:36
- 16 games on the job and found a few good transfers (including a QB) in the portal.... - HectorVillanueva19 November 17, 2021, 21:40:53
- Wow. Strictly funded by two private donors* - HamptonSki November 17, 2021, 15:41:47
- lol wow* - Ron McDon November 17, 2021, 14:42:01
- not using this as a shit on Mel Tucker thread, but OSU is fixing to put it on them Saturday - illiniranger November 17, 2021, 14:39:07
- BTN money. * - illiniranger November 17, 2021, 14:27:30
- Insane. For 1 good win. Rest of their schedule has been garbage.* - OB25 November 17, 2021, 14:12:34
- That’s a little insane, and more importantly, unnecessary - snipes824 November 17, 2021, 14:10:37
- Long way from coaching the worst Bears defense ever* - CanHartlebHireSnider November 17, 2021, 14:03:14
- just for fun, here's the current B1G recruiting rankings - illiniranger November 17, 2021, 10:25:47
- Rolder commits to Michigan* - UIHuskie November 16, 2021, 21:56:12
- Stinks, but not surprising. He would've been committed to Illinois football by now if... - uofi1998 November 17, 2021, 10:06:40
- we could've offered him earlier, but nobody else did either - illiniranger November 17, 2021, 10:16:32
- Hard to evaluate when a kid doesn't have a 2020 (Junior) year football season. - HectorVillanueva19 November 17, 2021, 11:14:59
- Yeah do you know the shit Bielema would have taken for taking a kid with no offers? - snipes824 November 17, 2021, 10:21:57
- Bottom line is we are multiple years away from justifiably expecting to beat... - uofi1998 November 17, 2021, 10:28:13
- i think you generally come in and recruit high level players or you can't - illiniranger November 17, 2021, 10:34:11
- 2023 will be a good barometer. We’ve started to show progress on the field and are… - uofi1998 November 17, 2021, 10:42:11
- 4x ESL kids in the last two classes are high major players - illiniranger November 17, 2021, 10:44:11
- Well we were barred from recruiting ESL this year - snipes824 November 17, 2021, 10:46:28
- i wouldn't waste any time there given the bad blood - illiniranger November 17, 2021, 10:50:13
- It would seem like you don't hire Terry Hawthorne unless you want to get back in at ESL - UofIL6 November 17, 2021, 10:55:52
- i don't know - illiniranger November 17, 2021, 11:04:20
- Not sure I'm ready to say that yet, but... - uofi1998 November 17, 2021, 10:53:38
- what happened in ESL?* - longsnapper November 17, 2021, 10:54:42
- goes all the way back to Kraig Appleton and Bielema, specifically - illiniranger November 17, 2021, 10:57:14
- he was a bad apple* - ECEIllinois November 17, 2021, 14:05:25
- I believe Bielema said Sunkett lied to him about Appleton's problems in particular - JacobRDaugherty November 17, 2021, 11:03:40
- I don't remember the 'never again' part about ESL... but I remember the rest. - uofi1998 November 17, 2021, 10:59:16
- oh shit, Appleton got hit with murder charges - illiniranger November 17, 2021, 10:58:45
- ah, yeah, that's right. I was thinking of a player under lovie that went sour, forgot about that* - longsnapper November 17, 2021, 10:58:04
- we just offered a DE from Barrington with no offers that i love - illiniranger November 17, 2021, 10:26:52
- That's exactly right. - uofi1998 November 17, 2021, 10:21:12
- This is another example that kids generally go to the “best” program that will take them. - illiniranger November 17, 2021, 7:38:04
- That sucks* - UofIL6 November 17, 2021, 7:26:56
- Ooof * - illiniranger November 17, 2021, 6:40:42
- Sucks both for baseball and football - CanHartlebHireSnider November 16, 2021, 21:59:22
- Guess he’s not playing baseball here* - Mrap24 November 16, 2021, 21:56:49
- Eleby was a huge miss in recruiting. Playing really well tonight - illiniranger November 16, 2021, 20:37:18
- STOP TESTING!* - bbonb November 16, 2021, 17:50:00
- Iowa loves their banners - ECEIllinois November 16, 2021, 16:04:54
- This is an all time message board comment - illiniranger November 16, 2021, 11:47:23
- Cancelled my +12 bet, but keeping the under* - jayd November 16, 2021, 9:37:26
- Win a bowl for Bert!* - SurfTheBoneyard November 16, 2021, 9:26:29
- I don’t see why we can’t just prop him up in a Gus Malzahn like platform off to the side - John Coctostan November 16, 2021, 9:24:04
- Baron Harkonnen suit and liquid healing tank. - SurfTheBoneyard November 16, 2021, 9:54:17
- Iowa has the hospital next to the stadium, right? Coach Hugh Freeze-style from the bed?* - UofIL6 November 16, 2021, 9:38:54
- "Through technology, I will be as present as possible" - sounds like he'll be connected - Orangeillini November 16, 2021, 9:36:53
- get him a Pope-mobile to drive up and down the sidelines* - shua November 16, 2021, 9:29:40
- If he’s fully vaccinated this whole thing is kinda dumb * - ATL November 16, 2021, 9:20:12
- Tell me why it's dumb? Nothing wrong with precautions and lessening the spread * - ibdoc November 16, 2021, 9:57:30
- IIRC, the football program is 100%. * - uofi1998 November 16, 2021, 9:34:45
- He got tested because he was symptomatic, so I'm fine with that. Otherwise I'd agree* - HamptonSki November 16, 2021, 9:32:28
- his statement says he is, and got the booster last week - IlliniOllie November 16, 2021, 9:23:47
- What a week for our beloved Illini...afraid for tomorrow and beyond* - RSMBob November 16, 2021, 9:19:38
- Interesting McDonald. I'd have thought Kane - CanHartlebHireSnider November 16, 2021, 9:19:24
- He'll do anything to keep his undefeated streak against Iowa intact* - longsnapper November 16, 2021, 9:18:51
- Suddenly my ML and spread bets on Iowa look even better.* - Ron McDon November 16, 2021, 9:18:36
- Beat Iowa* - UofIL6 November 16, 2021, 9:18:26
- Well crap. Hope no one else tests positive* - Cunativeson November 16, 2021, 9:18:17