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    Tell you one thing, though: she's spot-on right about the Euro, and DON'T you forGET it!* Archived Message

    Posted by Sammich on November 18, 2021, 12:04:43, in reply to "i think the right is gaining strength with the working class in Western countrie"


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    but for different reasons in different places. in some places this translated into major electoral wins (Poland, Hungary, Italy), in some places it hasn't (Spain, Germany, France ).

    in Europe a lot of it has to do with response to migrant crises and lingering economic hangover from 2008 (Europe writ large did not recover as fast or as well as the US post Great Recession.) there's also a lot of resentment within the Euro zone from the south and towards the north. This helps explain why the right is ascendant in Italy, for example.

    so to your question, yes, in a place like Italy there is real economic resentment towards the neoliberal elites that took them into the Euro (which everyone predicted would be bad for Italian manufacturers.)
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    I think he is right about the class realignment occurring in the US, at least, but I agree with you that has not translated at all into the GOP economic policy, which is still 100% aimed at further enriching the wealthy. It’s entirely about culture issues in the US (and any local analysis of such issues needs to start with race, although that can’t be the whole story since so much of that dynamic is specific to the US.)

    Anyway, I wonder if there are flavors of right wing populism in Europe or wherever that have a stronger economic element to them. My not very educated impression is that right wing parties in Europe have not historically been solely owned and operated by billionaire donors the way the GOP has been. But maybe not.
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    Right-wing parties around the world are gradually becoming working-class parties that stand against the economic interests ... of the highly educated.

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    https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/11/scary-future-american-right-national-conservatism-conference/620746/

    When i came down to Florida for the National Conservatism Conference, I was a little concerned I’d get heckled in the hallways, or be subjected to the verbal abuse I occasionally get from Trump supporters. Judging by their rhetoric, after all, these are the fire-breathers, the hard-liners, the intellectual sharp edge of the American right.



    But everyone was charming! I hung around the bar watching football each night, saw old conservative friends, and met lots of new ones, and I enjoyed them all. This is the intellectual wing of the emerging right. Many of them have spent their lives at progressive places like Princeton, New York, Hollywood, and D.C. Their bodies and careers are in the Republican coastal megalopolis—but their minds and mouths are in Trumpland. As one young man told me late one night, “We’d like to dislike Bill Kristol, but he got us all jobs.”

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    Finally, there is something extremely off-putting about the NatCon public pose. In person, as I say, I find many of them charming, warm, and friendly. But their public posture is dominated by the psychology of threat and menace. If there was one expression of sympathy, kindness, or grace uttered from the podium in Orlando, I did not hear it. But I did hear callousness, invocations of combat, and whiffs of brutality.

    One big thing the NatCons are right about is that in the Information Age, the cultural and corporate elites have merged. Right-wing parties around the world are gradually becoming working-class parties that stand against the economic interests and cultural preferences of the highly educated. Left-wing parties are now rooted in the rich metro areas and are more and more becoming an unsteady alliance between young AOC left-populists and Google.

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    Sitting in that Orlando hotel, I found myself thinking of what I was seeing as some kind of new theme park: NatCon World, a hermetically sealed dystopian universe with its own confected thrills and chills, its own illiberal rides. I tried to console myself by noting that this NatCon theme park is the brainchild of a few isolated intellectuals with a screwy view of American politics and history. But the disconcerting reality is that America’s rarified NatCon World is just one piece of a larger illiberal populist revolt that is strong and rising.






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