He may but I'm like a broken record here; the primary driver is caloric intake. Archived Message
Posted by gnpbfubbgre on May 9, 2022, 9:57:24, in reply to "i don't want to come off as saying ATL doesn't have a point. i think he does."
A big bowl of Cinnamon Toast Crunch and three or four leaded sodas before tucking into lunch already puts most people at a caloric excess before dinner. Couple that with a lack of exercise (even though exercise is rather inefficient) you get what we see. |
Anecdotal, I just got off a video call with 12 people from the Netherlands. All were thin. Can't remember last time I would have been in a meeting that size with Americans and not had some bigbois and girls.
Europeans eat the shit out of french fries. but they also walk a lot (which he mentioned) and they tend to eat smaller portions more consistently than we do.
i think a lot of our problem is portion sizes and sugar /processed foods are much more common in the USA. it might be as simple as controlling for how much soda we drink.
if you look at this list, it lines up pretty closely with countries that have jumps in obesity rates in the last two decades http://www.worldatlas.com/articles/countries-with-the-highest-levels-of-soft-drink-consumption.html
...talk about chain fast food and drive through lines is like nothing I've ever seen in other middle aged colleagues and acquaintances around the world.
we eat a lot more processed foods and a lot more sugar. i think that is def a contributing factor to the obesity rate being much higher. not *the* factor but it contributes.
to the built environment thing, maybe yes, maybe no. America has always been substantially less population dense than Europe (for example you can go back and look at automobile adoption rates from 1900-1930 and they are much higher in rural America than Europe or urban America), but the obesity rates really diverged only in the 1980s. i think there's something to the built environment argument, but it's not the only thing.
it's mutli-causal but i think the biggest contributor is food quality and portion sizes. yes, Europeans eat big meals too, but not as consistently as Americans. And they walk more, smoke more, have better healthcare. It's a lot of things.
it's what we do with the calories we take in. They do significantly more walking (to work, school, and errands) than we do.
That said, the 15-20% increase in obesity doesn't account for a 3x increase in maternal mortality.
it's not good
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