i think the walking thing matters for sure Archived Message
Posted by illiniranger on May 9, 2022, 10:02:20, in reply to "And I don't think you're wrong. But my observation has always been that Euros tend to"
if they walk 4-5 miles a day on average that's pretty significant |
i wasn't trying to touch the maternal thing. i think it's pretty obvious that a rate that high (and been higher for years back when the obesity rate was lower) means something is systemically wrong and it's not just lifestyle choices.
do much more walking and have what we would term unhealthy lifestyle choices (smoking, eating fat, drinking) more commonly than we think they do. The soda/sugars thing is definitely more American, though.
That said, I think the Euros, even the ones I know who drive to the office, are more likely to walk to a market or to a restaurant than we are.
Finally, as I mentioned, it still doesn't add up to the three-fold disparity in maternal mortality.
Europeans eat the shit out of french fries. but they also walk a lot (which he mentioned) and they tend to eat smaller portions more consistently than we do.
i think a lot of our problem is portion sizes and sugar /processed foods are much more common in the USA. it might be as simple as controlling for how much soda we drink.
if you look at this list, it lines up pretty closely with countries that have jumps in obesity rates in the last two decades http://www.worldatlas.com/articles/countries-with-the-highest-levels-of-soft-drink-consumption.html
...talk about chain fast food and drive through lines is like nothing I've ever seen in other middle aged colleagues and acquaintances around the world.
we eat a lot more processed foods and a lot more sugar. i think that is def a contributing factor to the obesity rate being much higher. not *the* factor but it contributes.
to the built environment thing, maybe yes, maybe no. America has always been substantially less population dense than Europe (for example you can go back and look at automobile adoption rates from 1900-1930 and they are much higher in rural America than Europe or urban America), but the obesity rates really diverged only in the 1980s. i think there's something to the built environment argument, but it's not the only thing.
it's mutli-causal but i think the biggest contributor is food quality and portion sizes. yes, Europeans eat big meals too, but not as consistently as Americans. And they walk more, smoke more, have better healthcare. It's a lot of things.
it's what we do with the calories we take in. They do significantly more walking (to work, school, and errands) than we do.
That said, the 15-20% increase in obesity doesn't account for a 3x increase in maternal mortality.
it's not good
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