Absolutely. Throughout the Constitution, the framers used "people," "persons," and "person" Archived Message Posted by doubledown on May 10, 2022, 15:35:47, in reply to "You serious Clark?*" and they did not do so interchangeably. If they had meant for gun ownership to be an individual right, they would have used "persons," or "person" as they did elsewhere. But they didn't. An originalist interpretation would not regard the 2nd Amendment as conferring an individual right to own a firearm, but would leave it to the States. In 2012, SCOTUS reinterpreted the 2nd Amendment's "people" as meaning individuals, and created a individual right against state and local gun regulation that did not previously exist. Previous Message * Message Thread: | This response ↓ Rumblings that Roe v Wade= Ed Martin - Carl Spackler May 2, 2022, 19:54:41 WTF is going on?!?! - ATL May 20, 2022, 19:16:20 It’s the people’s convoy, but not the people’s RV.* - DT May 20, 2022, 19:41:04 Maybe it’s just Clarkson, Hammond, and May? - ATL May 20, 2022, 19:48:48 Leopards eat faces? Whoulda thunk* - RangerDanger May 20, 2022, 19:24:21 I had to click the article to see if he actually said this - snipes824 May 20, 2022, 19:02:26 How about if they count for just 3/5 of a person?* - IlliniRunner May 20, 2022, 19:07:28 No more magic crackers for Nancy Pelosi. - doubledown May 20, 2022, 16:31:41 Lol amazing. The worst people* - illini21 May 20, 2022, 19:15:01 LOL He's an antivaxer too.* - ATL May 20, 2022, 16:40:56 Wonderful little organization they’re running there. * - doubledown May 20, 2022, 16:54:19 I really don’t think this is the convincing argument in favor of the Founders that she thinks it is. - ATL May 20, 2022, 12:53:27 Kandiss* - Herman Blume May 20, 2022, 15:35:46 As in Kandiss crazy person please shut the #### up? * - doubledown May 20, 2022, 15:46:01 ooo - ATL May 20, 2022, 15:37:04 Good thing he limited it to American Indians* - ijustkrushalot May 20, 2022, 15:06:31 *wipes sweat off brow** - ATL May 20, 2022, 15:13:17 hoo boy - biclops May 20, 2022, 14:24:57 I had to google the Georgia Guidestones, and in fairness, they're pretty weird. - Sammich May 20, 2022, 15:29:12 Running a very distant third if anyone is wondering* - gvibes May 20, 2022, 15:26:52 When you have to out crazy Kemp and Purdue, you’ve got to go all in* - shua May 20, 2022, 16:26:03 Your modern GOP folks. - IlliniRunner May 20, 2022, 15:15:53 LOL - DocWalk20 May 20, 2022, 15:14:29 I'm here to battle Luciferian name spellings* - ATL May 20, 2022, 14:26:24 I came to kill Indians and worship Jesus, and I’m all out of Jesus.* - DT May 20, 2022, 13:53:21 We're also running pretty low on Indians. * - doubledown May 20, 2022, 13:56:14 Ah yes, the noble sacrifice of the native americans* - gvibes May 20, 2022, 13:17:17 It was incredibly kind and stupid for them to do that, but thanks!* - KingTalkyTiki May 20, 2022, 14:00:08 These ####ing people. * - doubledown May 20, 2022, 13:06:58 Well, for the base she's courting, it certainly is* - IlliniRunner May 20, 2022, 13:01:57 Again, we really should just listen to these people. They tell us what they want - John Coctostan May 20, 2022, 12:50:45 if there's one thing i've learned over the past few years it's that state legislators are ####ing - biclops May 20, 2022, 14:13:24 It’s not that surprising. Running for election has to be incredibly miserable - DT May 20, 2022, 15:11:57 That’s why republicans want to leave everything to the states - snipes824 May 20, 2022, 14:14:57 Here’s what I don’t get - Desert May 20, 2022, 13:42:00 Because if we all continue to have the pre-marital, protected sex... - KingTalkyTiki May 20, 2022, 14:02:02 Their sect requires them to be all up in everyone else's business. * - doubledown May 20, 2022, 13:58:00 Because they think they are right and everyone else is wrong - opey8 May 20, 2022, 13:43:54 "American Taliban" needs more usage* - ghost_of_clt May 20, 2022, 13:01:06 Unfortunately the issue isn’t “do you support banning birth control”, the issue is “are you so - meanjeans May 20, 2022, 12:56:24 But that’s a false choice with these people. It’s not like she’s a ‘traditional’(*) republican but - John Coctostan May 20, 2022, 13:00:44 These are the same people the muppet thinks will “fix” Chicago. Just backwards-ass bad people.* - Toonces May 20, 2022, 12:55:09 aborted fetuses are powering the Washington DC electric grid - biclops May 19, 2022, 22:03:59 Deranged* - snipes824 May 19, 2022, 22:52:21 Shameful that someone like that gets any airtime - jayd May 19, 2022, 22:28:38 ooo - complainant May 19, 2022, 22:55:37 Haha that’s amazing* - illini21 May 19, 2022, 22:20:56 Batshit insane. I've never met a pro-lifer who wasn't religious. And I've never met an anti-abortion - complainant May 19, 2022, 22:15:22 Child of someone who worked at one of those fake abortion clinics —->>>* - gvibes May 19, 2022, 22:28:52 Nm* - illini21 May 19, 2022, 22:20:13 The stupidest ####ing people. * - doubledown May 19, 2022, 22:13:40 We're so ####ed as a society* - opey8 May 19, 2022, 22:06:37 I’m lazy—when is the final ruling likely to come out?* - DT May 19, 2022, 7:50:14 Presumably June. - ATL May 19, 2022, 7:59:12 They really do just despise babies after they're born - RangerDanger May 18, 2022, 21:12:35 have any of them said why they voted no?* - biclops May 18, 2022, 21:20:53 Because the proper solution to this, like every other domestic problem, is tax cuts for the rich - DT May 19, 2022, 8:55:04 Except for Ukraine. Being tough against the Russians will just lead to nuclear war* - CoronaTheirAss May 19, 2022, 9:12:12 you forgot, lax gun laws. - TarheelIllini May 19, 2022, 9:02:23 Bc it’s way more fun to bitch about something and point fingers than actually try and help people - Mrap24 May 19, 2022, 8:09:21 You know why* - WhitmansFolly May 18, 2022, 22:08:31 Expensive bandaid is all I can find. Not a whole lotta Reps want a soundbite on this one - RangerDanger May 18, 2022, 21:29:18 He’s my Rep! - DT May 19, 2022, 7:39:19 Good news, I can now get pregnant and have an abortion - bigbop85 May 18, 2022, 14:28:15 The energy you spend to prove you’re lack of kindness is astounding* - Desert May 18, 2022, 22:00:17 Thank goodness you can still get a safe and legal one. - KingTalkyTiki May 18, 2022, 16:16:17 Oh, and that kid BigBop wants to force you to have... - KingTalkyTiki May 18, 2022, 16:18:45 At the same time he's trying to - WhitmansFolly May 19, 2022, 7:23:23 Congrats! Let's all sign a card and send it to bop* - WhitmansFolly May 18, 2022, 16:07:23 You’ve gotten yourself in way too deep man. - OB25 May 18, 2022, 16:05:52 We all know you already believe in fairy tales* - illini21 May 18, 2022, 15:17:54 Do you have a uterus? * - Taz May 18, 2022, 15:13:47 I'm sorry Taz but that doesn't make me any less of a woman* - bigbop85 May 18, 2022, 15:21:40 I'm not judging you either way, but it's sorta a requirement to get pregnant and have a baby* - Taz May 18, 2022, 16:44:49 But, can you bring home the bacon? Fry it up in a pan? - osklister May 18, 2022, 16:34:11 do it then, or shut up* - assassin May 18, 2022, 14:34:45 Just a hunch, but neither of those options are likely. - Kajagoogoo May 18, 2022, 14:53:54 there is something call a trans man. look it up* - gvibes May 18, 2022, 14:34:21 Chicken curry stir fry* - Chilango May 18, 2022, 14:29:15 I’ll leave this letter to Chief Justice Roberts, here - TarheelIllini May 15, 2022, 19:04:45 That liberal hack* - KCWildcat May 15, 2022, 19:14:58 We really should just listen to these people. They’re telling us what’s coming next - John Coctostan May 14, 2022, 9:25:03 So I assume we can put him down for a muskets-only interpretation of the 2A? * - doubledown May 14, 2022, 9:41:15 Why is this new right so hateful? Unmitigated hypocrisy to create a bigoted society. Disgusting* - Desert May 14, 2022, 12:12:23 Trump showed them that they could let their freak flag fly. - doubledown May 14, 2022, 14:57:52 The hate has always been there below the surface - opey8 May 14, 2022, 13:00:23 The modern GOP coalition was formed from opposition to equality for blacks - DT May 14, 2022, 13:38:19 Almost. There's still no explanation for great plains and western Republicans remaining with the par - complainant May 14, 2022, 14:04:23 Well, the Great Plains is the Bible Belt, and is also very white - DT May 14, 2022, 14:07:34 I thought The Matter With Kansas was their not wanting policies which would - complainant May 14, 2022, 15:05:33 Yes, that was the framing - DT May 14, 2022, 18:02:32 I expect a full rollback until only muskets are allowed* - WhitmansFolly May 14, 2022, 10:28:38 Clarence Thomas - biclops May 14, 2022, 9:01:46 Whose house was she at? * - Samricky May 14, 2022, 10:06:19 Run’s house* - VIV May 14, 2022, 15:49:10 Our house. * - doubledown May 14, 2022, 10:17:05 And a very, very fine house indeed* - timmer May 14, 2022, 10:27:29 With two cats in the yard* - TarheelIllini May 14, 2022, 19:00:42 This is much more offensive to me. - Samricky May 14, 2022, 10:20:58 No one gives a #### what you think old man* - Drippy May 14, 2022, 12:21:56 That is true, and I am at peace with that. * - Samricky May 14, 2022, 12:25:10 Yeah, you seem like you’re at peace. * - doubledown May 14, 2022, 14:58:44 Very much so. Sitting poolside with a beer after a little yard work. Life is good. * - Samricky May 14, 2022, 15:26:32 you’re the biggest snowflake here; you’re offended by everything.* - suburbanmyth May 14, 2022, 10:28:00 You’re the fattest midget here, so there’s that. * - Samricky May 14, 2022, 10:31:49 #owningdalibs* - WhitmansFolly May 14, 2022, 11:51:51 The hypocrisy of some of these people is unbelievable - jayd May 14, 2022, 9:04:23 ACLU says hold my beer - bigbop85 May 11, 2022, 23:46:01 This Senate abortion vote is such a joke - Sounder May 11, 2022, 16:42:11 Good to see majority rule is still the law of the land* - bigbop85 May 11, 2022, 19:11:30 The entire framework of American Constitutional governance was designed to inhibit majority rule.* - complainant May 12, 2022, 0:29:35 First, that vote wasn't an accurate representation of the will of the people. - theBard May 11, 2022, 20:05:14 Headline of the vote for me was that 49 Senators supported abortion up until birth - bigbop85 May 12, 2022, 8:42:04 And the senate by design isn’t a majority rule thing anyway * - ATL May 11, 2022, 20:36:07 Thanks, Slavery! * - doubledown May 11, 2022, 20:46:31 Which is why all the yelling at the Dems to do something is so laughable. - IlliniRunner May 11, 2022, 16:53:44 These are the leaders we deserve.* - Warrin'_Illini May 11, 2022, 17:36:23 a 50/50 Senate shouldn't be considered a "majority" - Sounder May 11, 2022, 16:57:07 They don’t have the policies. * - Samricky May 11, 2022, 16:55:06 As opposed to the very popular republican policies on abortion? Just how high are you man?* - Toonces May 11, 2022, 17:31:57 I can’t decide if I want West Virginia to have a republican or if it’s better to have Manchin keep - Samricky May 11, 2022, 16:44:03 lol the Joe Manchin that endorsed Biden, voted to convict Trump twice - CanHartlebHireSnider May 11, 2022, 17:26:15 I’ve got no beef with Mancin - DT May 11, 2022, 18:08:56 Agree completely* - snipes824 May 11, 2022, 18:24:35 I think Sinema is terrible, but she isn't some mindless twit who wouldn't see that strategy - IlliniRunner May 11, 2022, 18:23:32 Oh, she would definitely be in on the game - DT May 11, 2022, 19:41:14 agreed; word is ron klain has zero soft skills* - suburbanmyth May 11, 2022, 18:22:19 Agreed beef should be with dem leadership and WH - CanHartlebHireSnider May 11, 2022, 18:16:12 that is completely false* - IlliniRunner May 11, 2022, 18:22:04 No it isnt - CanHartlebHireSnider May 11, 2022, 18:30:35 The bill was cut and cut again. And he continued to lower what was acceptable to him - IlliniRunner May 11, 2022, 18:36:56 Joe was always including the $1.2 bipartisan infrastructure bill and stimulus - CanHartlebHireSnider May 11, 2022, 18:47:50 ooo - CanHartlebHireSnider May 11, 2022, 18:35:04 He was clear about his demands. - gnpbfubbgre May 11, 2022, 18:33:36 Of course they could have also realized that had 50-50 majority - CanHartlebHireSnider May 11, 2022, 18:32:40 Or do show votes like this abortion bill. I think there is a bill to be had, but the one they put up - gnpbfubbgre May 11, 2022, 18:34:54 They weren't getting 60 votes for any bill - IlliniRunner May 11, 2022, 18:42:37 Well there was no chance for a bill that basically is an abortion advocate wish list. - gnpbfubbgre May 11, 2022, 18:49:24 There is no way that any bill that supported any sort of abortion protection - IlliniRunner May 11, 2022, 18:51:46 OK cool, well you got your show vote. We'll see what happens from here.* - gnpbfubbgre May 11, 2022, 18:52:40 Yep my frustration too. They did the same with their voting reforms - CanHartlebHireSnider May 11, 2022, 18:55:40 Describe to me what sort of voting law that would get 10 GOP votes. - IlliniRunner May 11, 2022, 23:52:29 did you know that manchin gave schumer and the WH specifics on what he would.... - suburbanmyth May 11, 2022, 18:23:13 I know that the bill shrunk by 75% from what was initial proposed. - IlliniRunner May 11, 2022, 18:33:53 LOL at using numbers the moron Bernie proposed* - JeffFrank May 12, 2022, 7:07:16 Sure and they would then undercut their own negotiations. They bungled it with him hard - CanHartlebHireSnider May 11, 2022, 18:36:44 Such lame efforts at brow beating him. Eff the squad* - JeffFrank May 12, 2022, 7:08:18 Well you put it that way, probably better he stays in office. * - MC May 11, 2022, 17:32:56 Absolutely* - UofIL6 May 11, 2022, 17:45:07 Any time Dems get a 'left-based' vote from WV, it's a gift. The angst over him makes no sense - UofIL6 May 11, 2022, 16:49:25 Yes. Fire her into the sun. Manchin sucks, but is far better than the alternative* - IlliniRunner May 11, 2022, 16:54:15 Manchin is as good as it's going to get in WV - Sounder May 11, 2022, 16:51:21 It's a distinction without a difference - Sounder May 11, 2022, 16:48:58 Of course it isn't. Since it gives the Dems control of committees. And he'll vote for judges - IlliniRunner May 11, 2022, 16:55:37 You mean the committees that don't seem to accomplish anything?* - Sounder May 11, 2022, 16:58:05 Do you want the likes of Ted Cruz and Josh Hawley and leading committees - IlliniRunner May 11, 2022, 17:12:25 Honestly, I don't really care any more - Sounder May 11, 2022, 17:29:21 The 1/6 committee is the house not the senate - CanHartlebHireSnider May 11, 2022, 17:35:03 Buried below. Should all Down’s babies be aborted?* - JeffFrank May 10, 2022, 20:05:43 What Would Hitler Do?* - Stu May 10, 2022, 20:31:00 Not endorsing either option. Genetic testing leads to these decisions* - JeffFrank May 12, 2022, 7:17:07 Why?* - Philo May 10, 2022, 20:20:32 Source. Please don't give him any attention* - opey8 May 10, 2022, 20:25:22 I like how the supreme court overturned laws against protests around abortion - gvibes May 10, 2022, 14:45:50 also, eugene volokh says there are logs on the books preventing protests around - suburbanmyth May 10, 2022, 15:24:32 ooo - CanHartlebHireSnider May 10, 2022, 15:42:58 There's a section in 18 USC making it a crime to picket around a judge's home OR a courthouse - ATL May 10, 2022, 15:41:34 just absolutely burying their credibility in a way that i could not have hoped for..... - suburbanmyth May 10, 2022, 14:58:23 The Supremes overturned federal mask mandates while conducting hearings remotely* - ATL May 10, 2022, 14:55:49 susan collins called the cops about ####ing sidewalk chalk* - assassin May 10, 2022, 14:47:12 ooo - ATL May 10, 2022, 19:55:01 ishpitchbot - DT May 11, 2022, 18:02:19 some pretty great polling for dems here... - suburbanmyth May 10, 2022, 13:18:38 killing me softly.... - suburbanmyth May 10, 2022, 11:40:02 Author needs a calculator* - ghost_of_clt May 10, 2022, 12:01:32 The funny thing? - GMAW May 10, 2022, 11:45:37 i'd have to go back to their hearings but i think she was least dishonest when.... - suburbanmyth May 10, 2022, 12:11:26 Thread collecting all the bills, proposed bills, and wishes of GOP officials - John Coctostan May 10, 2022, 8:52:54 Evangelicals are like pigs in slop over this. - WhitmansFolly May 10, 2022, 9:32:51 They're like the dog who finally caught the car he was chasing. - GMAW May 10, 2022, 9:34:16 GOP senate quotes are all over the place in this politico spot - CanHartlebHireSnider May 10, 2022, 10:58:20 I'm still trying to figure out what the left is doing - OrangeSox May 10, 2022, 9:54:19 The left is fractured because they care about lots of things that are sometimes mutually exclusive. - doubledown May 10, 2022, 9:58:59 Nit. Tax cuts for the wealthy. Not their actual constituents.* - WhitmansFolly May 10, 2022, 20:28:26 I’ve been a little surprised to find out through this that I’m not as left on abortion as I thought - meanjeans May 10, 2022, 11:24:16 Kind of like my thinking. Get it done early or only if really needed later* - JeffFrank May 10, 2022, 14:56:13 Do you not think that's the reality of how it's happening right now? - Sounder May 10, 2022, 15:01:10 That’s 20,000 a year - bigbop85 May 10, 2022, 15:19:32 1% after 21 weeks - snipes824 May 10, 2022, 15:08:01 I consider myself to be pretty pro choice, - Sounder May 10, 2022, 15:10:52 How many of those 1% are due to complications with either the fetus or mother? - snipes824 May 10, 2022, 15:13:30 Down’s babies?* - JeffFrank May 10, 2022, 15:50:19 for sure, this is a problem that doesn't really exist* - Sounder May 10, 2022, 15:17:21 That is why I am not rooting for it to be made illegal* - JeffFrank May 10, 2022, 15:05:39 Don’t think many of the rest of us are surprised* - snipes824 May 10, 2022, 12:08:12 keep the faith, hold the line, own the libs - bigbop85 May 10, 2022, 10:28:44 It's classic Jeff that his biggest concern is protests outside the homes of the judges - GMAW May 10, 2022, 10:07:21 Go on about stripping a constitutional right - bigbop85 May 10, 2022, 10:38:12 "The right for an abortion didn't come from the constitution, it came from the supreme court." - suburbanmyth May 10, 2022, 11:26:48 Please go on explaining Constitutional law to me, a lawyer - GMAW May 10, 2022, 10:41:17 I'll let RBG do it for me - bigbop85 May 10, 2022, 10:44:08 If you want to talk about this different and completely distinct issue - - GMAW May 10, 2022, 10:53:52 That's what I'm getting at, they should have codified it - bigbop85 May 10, 2022, 11:50:01 Why hasn't congress codified an individual right to own guns? The Constitution only guarantees - doubledown May 10, 2022, 12:40:12 You serious Clark?* - bigbop85 May 10, 2022, 14:57:53 Absolutely. Throughout the Constitution, the framers used "people," "persons," and "person" - doubledown May 10, 2022, 15:35:47 He’s not really concerned about that either. * - doubledown May 10, 2022, 10:08:02 He's Susan Collins-ing the shit out of it, though* - GMAW May 10, 2022, 10:09:05 Calling the cops for sidewalk chalk is a real great idea* - John Coctostan May 10, 2022, 13:08:50 She is a metaphor for out of touch politicians* - Sounder May 10, 2022, 15:11:25 Oops - this should be below Jeff's post, but I'm not moving it* - GMAW May 10, 2022, 10:07:59 the mid-left is wondering why they voted for Dems - Sammich May 10, 2022, 9:57:56 100%. Wash, rinse, repeat.* - KingTalkyTiki May 10, 2022, 11:04:20 This is extremely accurate* - OrangeSox May 10, 2022, 10:27:23 Damn* - Taz May 10, 2022, 10:01:20 I am disappointed Psaki and the Dems won’t discourage protests at judge’s homes* - JeffFrank May 10, 2022, 10:00:34 she did yesterday after not doing it Friday* - bigbop85 May 10, 2022, 10:41:38 Still dancing around with some whataboutism* - JeffFrank May 10, 2022, 19:56:38 They kinda did - MC May 10, 2022, 10:06:56 Yes, they should only be threatened in private by the President. * - doubledown May 10, 2022, 10:06:12 they've got heaps of ideas on what to do now* - Sammich May 10, 2022, 9:52:41 There are a bunch of crazies who want to troll the left because that's their reason to exist - GMAW May 10, 2022, 10:05:04 they don't have any plan, so the crazy's plan gets enacted....or haven't the last 5+ years told us - TarheelIllini May 10, 2022, 10:13:16 Because a bunch of pro-choice (in private) politicians are suddenly faced with actually having to - Taz May 10, 2022, 10:12:43 Exactly. Which is why my dog chasing the car analogy is apt - GMAW May 10, 2022, 10:38:09 I disagree, there's always another culture war to be fought. They can also do what - Warrin'_Illini May 10, 2022, 11:22:57 Nationwide abortion ban, then gay marriage. * - doubledown May 10, 2022, 9:50:04 Ban on condoms - why??? * - MC May 10, 2022, 9:04:17 GOPers have never found any small enough to fit* - longsnapper May 10, 2022, 9:13:11 Because rich people will still get sex education & abortions if necessary. Poor people - longsnapper May 10, 2022, 9:06:54 Because they ruin the xes* - HamptonSki May 10, 2022, 9:06:20 because sex is for procreation between a man and woman who are married to each other* - Sammich May 10, 2022, 9:05:13 Mayor of third largest city says this decision is a call to arms - bigbop85 May 10, 2022, 8:06:11 you're such a dumbass* - cpsteine May 10, 2022, 15:22:02 since when are we against people using the 2A to defend their freedoms? * - ijustkrushalot May 10, 2022, 8:17:17 I can't believe you take it literally* - bjl63 May 10, 2022, 8:07:58 Oh so now we aren’t taking politicians literally - bigbop85 May 10, 2022, 8:25:13 Just grab 'em by the pu$$y and throw them in jail! - WhitmansFolly May 10, 2022, 9:31:23 Leading theory is that the leak came from a conservative justice’s office per Nina Tottenberg, who - ATL May 9, 2022, 20:29:39 ooo - bigbop85 May 10, 2022, 9:59:10 i tend to believe it's from the right. if it had been the left in outrage of the pending decision - VIV May 10, 2022, 11:24:20 wouldn’t that be something - biclops May 9, 2022, 22:09:37 Yeah. And if so, it would be two insurrections by the right in 18 mo's * - Dark Knight May 9, 2022, 23:01:01 Honestly who give a #### about the leak. Dem leadership of course nowhere to be found. - Warrin'_Illini May 9, 2022, 23:40:17 It's quite worrying that she thinks that republican party ever existed. - Warrin'_Illini May 9, 2022, 23:58:40 I agree our gerontocracy sucks.But what specific legislation on abortion would you like them to pass - IlliniRunner May 10, 2022, 0:21:32 I'm not expecting legislation, but even Gruesome Newsome called out leadership the other day. - Warrin'_Illini May 10, 2022, 0:32:16 As legislators, their actual power is to legislate - IlliniRunner May 10, 2022, 0:51:36 I don't hate the idea of offering a bill to legalize 1st trimester abortions* - ECEIllinois May 10, 2022, 1:25:33 ^^^^^^Should be under runner below.* - Warrin'_Illini May 9, 2022, 23:59:48 What would you like them to do?* - IlliniRunner May 9, 2022, 23:52:15 Not a great time to be a Republican candidate for Illinois Gov. - KingTalkyTiki May 9, 2022, 16:43:39 Is it though? - RangerDanger May 9, 2022, 22:15:45 He’s pro choice, he will just come out with that in the general - bigbop85 May 9, 2022, 22:01:52 i haven't analyzed the long footnote in the draft that talks about all of the SCOTUS precedent.... - suburbanmyth May 9, 2022, 13:24:09 You could make the case that was true for much of the Reconstruction casework - Blazer May 9, 2022, 16:00:49 Molotov cocktails in Madison, hopefully the President says something to take the temperature down - bigbop85 May 8, 2022, 12:49:48 Remarkably minor amount of damage. Did they they break in and throw the chairs and books around - doubledown May 8, 2022, 13:06:26 Google Maps shows 14 occupied suites on the sign for that otherwise generic office building - RangerDanger May 8, 2022, 13:16:17 Maximum PR with minimum damage. Miraculous! * - doubledown May 8, 2022, 13:25:03 You can tell the organization president's genuine concern for her staff's safety - RangerDanger May 8, 2022, 14:17:01 Weird coincidence that you happened to be in Madison to see the aftermath - RangerDanger May 8, 2022, 12:58:36 by the way, lots of great polling on this issue over the weekend; will try to find and post later... - suburbanmyth May 8, 2022, 12:35:48 Bigbop would have an Aneurysm if he watched SNL’s weekend update this week - illini21 May 8, 2022, 0:56:38 Solid episode honestly - bigbop85 May 8, 2022, 12:54:15 You're an idiot. - Kajagoogoo May 9, 2022, 16:16:09 You and your shitty kids should eat shit, muppet.* - Toonces May 9, 2022, 16:14:08 A kinder, gentler board* - bigbop85 May 9, 2022, 16:19:14 Eat shit, douchebag.* - Toonces May 9, 2022, 16:24:39 So the extent of your contribution to this forum is going to be a third person impersonation... - Illiniphil May 10, 2022, 8:36:15 Cry more lib!* - bigbop85 May 9, 2022, 22:02:27 Hey!* - JeffFrank May 9, 2022, 13:16:55 I think you had a little too much of christs blood this morning. Weirdo* - illini21 May 8, 2022, 13:16:18 As long as you perform the required rituals, you don't actually have to be a good person. - KingTalkyTiki May 8, 2022, 13:20:37 It’s quite the crutch* - illini21 May 8, 2022, 13:24:09 "Thankfully many of them won’t reproduce and will die alone." - KingTalkyTiki May 8, 2022, 13:15:14 is that a dig at me? - TarheelIllini May 9, 2022, 13:04:17 LOL..not at all man. - KingTalkyTiki May 9, 2022, 13:19:42 Arcade Fire on now* - JeffFrank May 8, 2022, 1:01:39 Love that song. This is a band I think Sounder and I could agree on* - JeffFrank May 8, 2022, 1:12:58 Can’t wait for the media to cover protests outside SC homes like they did PTO meetings - bigbop85 May 7, 2022, 21:41:29 Weird that wapo, Bloomberg, etc aren’t covering this* - gvibes May 8, 2022, 9:47:23 The media covered PTO meeting protests using words like "domestic terrorism" - gnpbfubbgre May 8, 2022, 11:44:29 Do death threats and physical confrontations not count as terrorism? - Toonces May 8, 2022, 11:55:58 they directly quoted school boards about the death threats they were receiving. cool. * - assassin May 8, 2022, 11:51:57 To quote yoyo, "are you stupid?" - gnpbfubbgre May 8, 2022, 12:01:30 LMAO at the need to always feel slighted - RangerDanger May 8, 2022, 12:36:48 got into the sunday funday a little early, i see* - assassin May 8, 2022, 12:12:50 He got attention which is all he cares about. Facts don't factor in* - opey8 May 8, 2022, 11:34:00 literally on the front page of the online version of the post - suburbanmyth May 8, 2022, 11:10:11 Sarcasm is tough on the internet* - gvibes May 8, 2022, 12:50:52 i didn't think you had it in you!* - suburbanmyth May 8, 2022, 13:03:36 on bloomberg's front page as of yesterday too* - suburbanmyth May 8, 2022, 11:11:47 I picture you looking like a try hard Tucker Carlson* - CWR10 May 7, 2022, 23:16:47 Eat shit muppet.* - Toonces May 7, 2022, 22:18:39 So wrong. My default is to take the other side of protestors. Woke idiots* - JeffFrank May 7, 2022, 22:09:43 If only they were more passive-aggressive. A slow campaign of, say, carpet-bombing - complainant May 7, 2022, 23:10:26 The other side has been protesting and Harrassing women for 50 years. * - assassin May 7, 2022, 22:31:59 also, murdering people and blowing shit up. * - assassin May 7, 2022, 22:41:48 But have GOP leaders half-heartedly tried to mollify them yet with promises - RangerDanger May 7, 2022, 23:27:15 Protesting at judges houses should be shut down immediately. Full stop* - JeffFrank May 7, 2022, 23:40:06 If only there were an amendment that allowed people to peaceably assemble.* - MojoJojo May 8, 2022, 11:04:41 18 U.S. Code Section 1507 - Picketing or parading - gnpbfubbgre May 8, 2022, 11:37:08 So the pro life protesters at the court building over the last 50 years were criminals?* - ATL May 8, 2022, 11:59:22 IDK I'm not a lawyer, but sure seems like protesting a decision under deliberation by a USSC - gnpbfubbgre May 8, 2022, 12:04:54 I think there’s a reason why that law has not result in massive numbers of arrests - ATL May 8, 2022, 12:06:45 Only takes one non peaceful person for it to get very ugly fast* - JeffFrank May 8, 2022, 12:08:37 It still doesn’t justify prior restraint * - ATL May 8, 2022, 13:04:46 Hopefully they do a lot more than protest.* - Toonces May 8, 2022, 0:19:06 Here’s the reasonable and peaceful left folks. Lol * - Samricky May 8, 2022, 9:41:11 You guys keep crying about the first amendment. You don’t deserve shit.* - Toonces May 8, 2022, 10:58:26 That’s why that attorney in St Louis and his wife were right to have their guns… - JeffFrank May 8, 2022, 1:14:21 If only she had pulled the trigger while she had it pointed at her husband.* - ATL May 8, 2022, 12:05:29 Huh, bet the media won't dare cover this--links video with a tv camera taking up half the frame* - RangerDanger May 7, 2022, 22:08:24 Though to be fair, to have the same type of coverage as before - RangerDanger May 7, 2022, 22:20:12 I'm sure Trucker and Faux will be all over it* - WhitmansFolly May 7, 2022, 21:59:15 You really need to get laid* - HamptonSki May 7, 2022, 21:50:21 Waaaah* - AintHatin May 7, 2022, 21:47:42 Again, meh - timmer May 7, 2022, 7:08:42 wut? gfy.* - cpsteine May 7, 2022, 9:11:01 At this pace of losing weight, it may be possible some day - timmer May 7, 2022, 10:16:30 Gotta be the whitest privilege I've seen you express so far. Congrats. - complainant May 7, 2022, 7:59:56 That’s racist!* - Dikta May 7, 2022, 13:06:20 49% of women women who get abortion are below the poverty line - Sounder May 7, 2022, 9:47:54 So the majority of women women can afford a weekend abortion getaway - timmer May 7, 2022, 10:17:20 I may head out to Hintertux next weekend for little glacier skiing, so, yeah* - timmer May 7, 2022, 8:46:25 Love listening to Pete B talk. He just gets it - UofIL6 May 6, 2022, 21:23:42 No he doesn't * - CubsWonWorldSeries May 7, 2022, 6:04:02 Oh I’m sure you have a great take on abortion, chief.* - Toonces May 7, 2022, 13:34:01 I wish he got supply chains, might help in his role as transportation secretary - bigbop85 May 6, 2022, 22:13:29 Too busy taking family leave to bother with his trivial job* - Stu May 7, 2022, 13:54:15 This post as a response to that video is *chef's kiss*. Well done.* - ghost_of_clt May 7, 2022, 8:35:52 Is the McKinsey background worth bragging about at this point? - Dilbert May 7, 2022, 6:30:32 Hey look over here! This unrelated thing might make you forget about the valid point he made* - PapaDels May 6, 2022, 23:01:59 His point wasn't valid, it was heavily biased - CubsWonWorldSeries May 7, 2022, 6:07:38 He’s a walking McKinsey pitch bot - bigbop85 May 7, 2022, 9:45:21 What big bill these days doesn't have an insane amount of spending on things - Taz May 7, 2022, 9:25:30 The Democrats own guy voted against it because it was so ridiculous* - CubsWonWorldSeries May 7, 2022, 16:37:49 You're again overlooking the point* - Taz May 7, 2022, 17:08:37 Weren’t you the guy who lambasted AOC for refusing to give Amazon $4 billion to move to NYC? - ATL May 7, 2022, 6:13:30 Because trickle down economics works so well! - WhitmansFolly May 7, 2022, 9:52:44 AOC cost her area tons of jobs, Chief * - CubsWonWorldSeries May 7, 2022, 6:15:03 Do you not think infrastructure is tons of jobs?* - snipes824 May 7, 2022, 8:44:09 I'm pretty sure that CWWS here has conflated two separate bills - CanHartlebHireSnider May 7, 2022, 9:59:21 Like yourself?* - CubsWonWorldSeries May 7, 2022, 16:35:38 You know Amazon moved to New York anyway right?* - JacobRDaugherty May 7, 2022, 6:57:35 And then the employees unionized. And then Bezos fired their mgmt.* - complainant May 7, 2022, 7:43:53 Speaking of that incident though, the NLRB is investigating Amazon’s attempts to prevent it. - ATL May 7, 2022, 7:58:29 Those aren’t the same workers. And bezos doesn’t run Amazon.* - ATL May 7, 2022, 7:56:00 ooo - ATL May 7, 2022, 7:39:35 Right….* - ATL May 7, 2022, 6:28:01 That's the entire GOP agenda, in a nutshell* - WhitmansFolly May 6, 2022, 23:50:14 If there’s one thing republicans won’t tolerate it’s wildly unqualified cabinet members* - Herman Blume May 6, 2022, 22:38:54 Or senators, or presidents, or.... - WhitmansFolly May 6, 2022, 22:45:41 And Texas says, hold my beer. - larue33 May 6, 2022, 17:31:04 fortunately, HB3326 has been in the Public Health committee since March 2021. - theBard May 6, 2022, 18:00:40 i'm sure bigbop has a poll that shows that most americans favor the death penalty for abortions* - suburbanmyth May 6, 2022, 17:53:14 A lot of folks really showing their ass here - AintHatin May 6, 2022, 17:35:18 let's see; this might too much for even the dems to eff up* - suburbanmyth May 6, 2022, 17:52:31 Delete - GMAW May 6, 2022, 17:53:45 that scenario is pure politics - snipes824 May 6, 2022, 18:25:12 Do we? You have a link for that? * - larue33 May 6, 2022, 18:11:30 Delete* - GMAW May 6, 2022, 18:31:52 Yeah, I thought that's what it would be. - larue33 May 6, 2022, 18:35:11 Correct. I should know better than to trust a tweet from the RNC - GMAW May 6, 2022, 18:36:13 You seem to be willing to ascribe good faith to actors who have never shown any in the first place. - ATL May 6, 2022, 18:41:32 need to roll Mayor Pete back out to talk about it - assassin May 6, 2022, 18:02:58 I wonder what would happen to the abortion debate if someone created a prenatal screening for - doubledown May 6, 2022, 12:01:01 Its going to profoundly affect care after prenatal testing - memyselfandillini May 6, 2022, 13:49:58 Unfortunately, the same people believe that homosexuality is just a choice - GrandmotherPearlsJam May 6, 2022, 12:51:14 So having an identical twin who is gay means you must be gay?* - memester May 6, 2022, 12:54:07 It means *you* are. - complainant May 6, 2022, 23:30:44 most genes dont work that way.* - memyselfandillini May 6, 2022, 13:44:57 Sounds like they’d be right to question the validity of the test then.* - memester May 6, 2022, 13:53:54 yeah there is no test, no gene* - memyselfandillini May 6, 2022, 13:57:18 Right, which is why I said “they’d be” not “they are.”* - memester May 6, 2022, 14:01:03 My bad, I was agreeing, did not do a very good job* - memyselfandillini May 6, 2022, 14:06:57 what if they're salmon colored?* - Sounder May 6, 2022, 13:51:02 those work on every level, obvi* - memyselfandillini May 6, 2022, 13:52:23 I'd still wear them, but the Covid 19 caught up with me* - Sounder May 6, 2022, 14:03:29 Stonewashing them - so money* - memyselfandillini May 6, 2022, 14:07:53 Remember when you were a kid - Sounder May 6, 2022, 12:53:30 explain Michael Barbaro* - bigbop85 May 6, 2022, 12:56:35 Sexual preference isn't black and white, as much as that is how you'd like your world to be - KingTalkyTiki May 6, 2022, 13:02:59 Oh I totally agree with all of that - bigbop85 May 6, 2022, 13:07:15 Dotz - Sounder May 6, 2022, 13:10:09 what do the different colors represent?* - TarheelIllini May 6, 2022, 13:49:27 looks like it's just the colors of the rainbow in somewhat ROYGBIV order - IlliniSax05 May 6, 2022, 13:50:49 Thank you.* - KingTalkyTiki May 6, 2022, 13:10:56 It's really not that complicated - Sounder May 6, 2022, 13:12:22 You see, Michael Barbaro is a podcast host* - Sounder May 6, 2022, 12:58:57 (wooosh)* - bigbop85 May 6, 2022, 13:00:58 I understood you perfectly, I'm just not going engage with a bad faith actor* - Sounder May 6, 2022, 13:02:21 Starting…now!* - assassin May 6, 2022, 13:12:55 Because they are brainwashed religious losers* - illini21 May 6, 2022, 12:55:35 Mr. T went on an anti atheist rant yesterday on Twitter - Sounder May 6, 2022, 12:58:00 Egg, were you that little boy?* - Chuck Woodaby May 6, 2022, 12:55:09 Honest answer, no, but I did grew up in the kind of place - Sounder May 6, 2022, 12:56:51 Me either. But I used to like to beat them up. - Chuck Woodaby May 6, 2022, 12:58:28 before we begin, allow me to set up this step ladder * - suburbanmyth May 6, 2022, 13:26:56 Does he actually talk like that or is it an act?* - Sounder May 6, 2022, 13:00:20 It's an act. That worked for far too long. - Chuck Woodaby May 6, 2022, 13:02:01 I learned a few days ago that Larry the Cable Guy doesn't even have a southern accent* - Sounder May 6, 2022, 13:02:53 Pride of Nebraska.* - Chuck Woodaby May 6, 2022, 13:03:42 A pretty decent percentage of the comedy of our lifetime is now probably problematic* - Sounder May 6, 2022, 13:06:40 Fun fact: Larry the Cable guy adopted a weimaraner from the same litter - Sounder May 6, 2022, 13:05:21 Similarly, if Texas ever goes blue - Sounder May 6, 2022, 12:38:40 Hard to groom a zygote* - longsnapper May 6, 2022, 12:05:30 Matt Gaetz is up to that challenge* - IlliniRunner May 6, 2022, 12:51:17 PR giant advising corporate clients to stay silent on abortion rights - bigbop85 May 6, 2022, 11:50:56 Giant that's a subsidiary of a company that posted this... - KingTalkyTiki May 6, 2022, 12:02:32 I'll bet this guy is very pro-life - ATL May 6, 2022, 10:59:49 Hoosiers gonna Hoosier* - KingTalkyTiki May 6, 2022, 11:40:29 I've driven through Lebanon on the way between CU and Indy - theBard May 6, 2022, 11:10:10 We had a kid on our floor from Lebanon.....for all 4 years - TarheelIllini May 6, 2022, 12:37:47 that's false imprisonment, brother* - Sammich May 6, 2022, 12:46:42 I mean he tried to escape indiana for downstate illinois - TarheelIllini May 6, 2022, 13:50:57 what is path to avoiding conviction here?* - suburbanmyth May 6, 2022, 11:04:17 Self-defense maybe?* - ATL May 6, 2022, 11:16:05 The defense circulating an old photo of him jet-skiing with his family* - RangerDanger May 6, 2022, 11:09:16 He was arrested in late March. His trial is in August - CanHartlebHireSnider May 6, 2022, 11:08:30 And only 3 people on the ballot for 3 spots. 1st and 2nd got 110 and 106. - Chuck Woodaby May 6, 2022, 12:53:39 Huh why would this be? - bigbop85 May 6, 2022, 9:07:53 ooo - Chicago1995 May 6, 2022, 11:53:03 Sideshow Bop* - assassin May 6, 2022, 11:59:48 Well done* - Chicago1995 May 6, 2022, 13:31:24 Solid A* - longsnapper May 6, 2022, 12:05:54 but I was told people who stormed Federal buildings were patriots* - ECEIllinois May 6, 2022, 10:48:04 They're just doing it for the instagram posts. * - haighter May 6, 2022, 11:51:29 At least these people will be reacting to something that actually happens (hopefully it does not)* - Warrin'_Illini May 6, 2022, 10:51:17 lost tourists* - ATL May 6, 2022, 10:50:43 there is no rake too small or hidden that has not had the pleasure of making your acquaintance* - suburbanmyth May 6, 2022, 10:12:23 I assume because we have an administration that cares about security? * - ijustkrushalot May 6, 2022, 10:12:10 The SC who’s members some feel we’re appointed illegitimately is set to take AWAY a right - TarheelIllini May 6, 2022, 10:11:25 Jesus, you didn't read this thing, did you? Are you trying to look like a clown?* - cpsteine May 6, 2022, 10:10:57 Eat shit, muppet.* - Toonces May 6, 2022, 9:59:31 If you read that article I'm not sure it purports what you want it too* - CanHartlebHireSnider May 6, 2022, 9:10:39 Oh there are for sure crazy pro lifers - bigbop85 May 6, 2022, 9:40:12 Yea…I don’t think he made it to the end. * - haighter May 6, 2022, 9:29:13 Because people are passionate about this issue, as evidenced by the - GMAW May 6, 2022, 9:10:29 Let's not forget multiple murders of doctors and clinic employees. * - larue33 May 6, 2022, 9:18:32 This is the article he linked - CanHartlebHireSnider May 6, 2022, 9:12:22 bigbop is a bad-faith hack?!? No way!! - Kajagoogoo May 6, 2022, 9:13:32 I was hoping to read an intelligent, respectful discourse regarding abortion - bbonb May 6, 2022, 8:34:12 For anyone who thinks states might show some moderation, - larue33 May 6, 2022, 8:33:40 Something about these crazy GOP laws, can the mother somehow claim self-defense and get an abortion - Warrin'_Illini May 6, 2022, 11:07:20 i hope they pass it; we need more dems in congress and this might be the way* - suburbanmyth May 6, 2022, 10:18:38 70% of board Rs - “what? No that’s not right. Not my GOP!’* - John Coctostan May 6, 2022, 10:02:02 This is a lot more complicated than we are making it, I think* - reggiedunlop May 6, 2022, 11:03:47 its a lot more complicated than the black--and-white republicans policies being set out* - memyselfandillini May 6, 2022, 13:54:14 How so?* - John Coctostan May 6, 2022, 11:18:02 come for the blatant racism, stay for the jailed miscarries!!* - shua May 6, 2022, 10:07:36 Can’t wait to hear how they’ll probably back down now that’s about to be reality or that state - John Coctostan May 6, 2022, 10:19:44 Religious fundamentalism is a mental disorder. * - doubledown May 6, 2022, 8:59:33 Huh--I recall being assured that just one state over, legislators had figured it out for everyone* - RangerDanger May 6, 2022, 8:58:59 Yikes * - MC May 6, 2022, 8:41:21 If miscarriages become criminal acts.... - bjl63 May 6, 2022, 8:40:38 I mean there’s just no way that ever happens though…right?* - OB25 May 6, 2022, 8:57:14 Yeah by the tiger wont eat ME!* - John Coctostan May 6, 2022, 10:03:11 ooo - doubledown May 6, 2022, 9:00:30 Maybe not, doesn’t mean they won’t arrest you and investigate later* - Chilango May 6, 2022, 8:59:43 And charge the same classes of people that always get ####ed* - GMAW May 6, 2022, 9:02:07 100%. The same group that will bear the brunt of all this bullshit.* - KingTalkyTiki May 6, 2022, 9:35:04 Yup. Good point* - Chilango May 6, 2022, 9:03:59 JFC* - Tortillini May 6, 2022, 8:38:12 Holy cow* - UofIL6 May 6, 2022, 8:35:26 STINCHFIELD is on the case - Sammich May 5, 2022, 13:29:32 that's something else* - Sounder May 5, 2022, 13:58:11 That’s bad, but not as bad as Marsha Blackburn. - assassin May 5, 2022, 14:02:47 Yikes. - KingTalkyTiki May 5, 2022, 13:05:26 I would have expected the cops to have thicker southern accents. * - doubledown May 6, 2022, 8:10:50 Megan McCardle stays undefeated in being teh stupidest person on the internet - ATL May 5, 2022, 12:51:52 ooo - ATL May 8, 2022, 7:59:07 The worst kind of famous is famous because you had a famous parent* - Sounder May 5, 2022, 13:29:33 The only thing worse is not being able to read names.* - Chuck Woodaby May 5, 2022, 13:56:02 IDK maybe Sounder was really into NYC area contracting of the 80s and 90s* - CanHartlebHireSnider May 5, 2022, 13:57:34 I have no idea who she is* - Sounder May 5, 2022, 13:58:50 LOL, I just assumed it was Megan McCain - Sounder May 5, 2022, 13:57:03 This keeps getting mentioned on NPR and actually has relevance: - ghost_of_clt May 5, 2022, 9:09:44 This is also relevant, because the concept of the "quickening" - Blazer May 5, 2022, 12:32:13 That’s the beauty of “deeply rooted in history and tradition.” You can just ignore any - doubledown May 5, 2022, 13:59:33 Everything I know about the quickening I learned from Highlander.* - DT May 5, 2022, 12:49:41 so we should be beheading 20 week old fetuses? THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE!!!* - shua May 5, 2022, 12:56:07 Shark fetuses frequently consume each other in utero * - meanjeans May 5, 2022, 13:21:21 I just watched a youtube video from years ago that mentioned this - Sammich May 5, 2022, 13:28:03 they better stay away from Louisiana!* - shua May 5, 2022, 13:24:08 Nm* - meanjeans May 5, 2022, 11:10:34 that's actually interesting* - TarheelIllini May 5, 2022, 10:50:33 Refresh my memory, how many people did God kill in the Bible?* - Sounder May 5, 2022, 10:32:39 This site is good to have handy: - JeffFrank May 5, 2022, 12:13:20 I'm only on chapter three. No spoilers, please.* - ghost_of_clt May 5, 2022, 10:36:27 Most of them, but the Bible isn't real. * - doubledown May 5, 2022, 10:36:19 It's real, just written by some random dudes* - WhitmansFolly May 5, 2022, 12:20:35 Whoa. Had no idea.* - CoronaTheirAss May 5, 2022, 9:39:11 Listened to Stay Tuned podcast this morning (from Tuesday) and they had a good observation - TarheelIllini May 5, 2022, 8:43:48 100 years from now will Roe v. Wade be viewed similiar to D. Scott v. Sanford?* - Savoy May 5, 2022, 6:34:37 LOL, no* - GMAW May 5, 2022, 8:36:03 No. Similar to the dissent in Plessy.* - ATL May 5, 2022, 7:25:44 Or more like The People vs. Larry Flynt?* - HamptonSki May 5, 2022, 7:20:52 nah because totalitarian leftists will have implemented some form of mass - skankhunt42 May 5, 2022, 7:11:05 I will defend my esteemed colleague from Iowa here - Jackie May 5, 2022, 10:44:49 Thank you, Jackie. To be clear, the post I got dragged into this with was talking - skankhunt42 May 5, 2022, 15:31:51 I think much of that is true - Jackie May 5, 2022, 16:35:52 Interesting points. The nuclear dread I think was aimed way more at the older - skankhunt42 May 5, 2022, 16:47:29 I don't get into the politics that much and I don't visit the other board - Jackie May 5, 2022, 17:01:50 The problem with the most vocal here who bemoan the lack of reasonable discourse is that they - Samricky May 6, 2022, 10:17:42 I give you credit for responding to such a ham-handed, purposely inflammatory post... - KingTalkyTiki May 5, 2022, 11:16:41 Well, I think training citizens for democracy is truly a nonpartisan issue - Jackie May 5, 2022, 11:35:43 ..and FratStud enters the chat. hooray. - KingTalkyTiki May 5, 2022, 10:24:49 Yeah! More trolls!* - Chicago1995 May 5, 2022, 8:27:27 Do you have a substantive disagreement with the post or does NPC.exe just tell you to - skankhunt42 May 5, 2022, 8:58:58 When you want to have a good faith conversation, let me know. Until then, Troll away.* - Chicago1995 May 5, 2022, 11:47:36 I would be over the moon if Democrats were able to do 10% of what Reps claim - RangerDanger May 5, 2022, 10:15:17 I was describing a 100 year timeframe, but good job misstating the position - skankhunt42 May 5, 2022, 15:36:12 Except you being an insufferable ####stick. - KingTalkyTiki May 5, 2022, 15:40:57 how so? are you saying you have liked the flirtation with totalitarianism much of the West has - skankhunt42 May 5, 2022, 15:48:05 In the last two years I've marched past National Guard humvees and cops in riot gear - RangerDanger May 5, 2022, 21:01:29 "Pathetic,white,middle-aged male Iowan slightly inconvenienced in his Southern hilljack state.... - KingTalkyTiki May 5, 2022, 15:58:20 I've never been banned, amigo. I try my best to avoid personal attacks directed - skankhunt42 May 5, 2022, 16:08:59 Stop the act, breh. It was played out when you were here before, breh. - KingTalkyTiki May 5, 2022, 16:13:27 Please stop stalking me* - skankhunt42 May 5, 2022, 16:23:40 Sorry, my bad. Hey, thanks for defending me yesterday. Considering you've referred to me as "Ticuck" - KingTalkyTiki May 5, 2022, 16:29:03 Apology accepted. But to be clear, the thread wasn't about your sex life, it was about your - skankhunt42 May 5, 2022, 16:36:30 You're no more sorry than I am, amigo - KingTalkyTiki May 5, 2022, 17:48:24 "too damn weak to stay away" - I think I misspelled "timmer" there. sorry for confusion* - skankhunt42 May 6, 2022, 7:57:04 Popped over to see what drove you over here, brah. - KingTalkyTiki May 6, 2022, 9:27:14 okay mr. NPC; at least own it, my math-challenged man* - suburbanmyth May 5, 2022, 16:11:08 He's a pureblood alpha, breh. - KingTalkyTiki May 5, 2022, 16:15:03 own what, brah?* - skankhunt42 May 5, 2022, 16:14:43 100%* - KingTalkyTiki May 5, 2022, 10:33:40 My ideal candidate is the one presented on those GOP scare mailers I kept receiving in Sept 2020* - RangerDanger May 5, 2022, 10:52:36 exactly! the stuff Stacey Abrams is/will be accused of, sign me up please! - shua May 5, 2022, 10:57:51 saying leftists try to rule through fear was the most LOL part of his post - jayd May 5, 2022, 10:19:07 ...but you're an NPC! - KingTalkyTiki May 5, 2022, 10:32:12 This whole board is NPCs. Would anyone with free will actually spend time here? * - doubledown May 5, 2022, 10:35:30 Now people who frequent a second board to primarily discuss all the going-ons on this board... - KingTalkyTiki May 5, 2022, 10:39:45 Nothing quite like paying for a safe space to share your sheltered thoughts - jayd May 5, 2022, 11:42:48 ^^My new favorite Floridian^^* - KingTalkyTiki May 5, 2022, 12:09:56 Literally stuff like skank posted to start this sub. * - doubledown May 5, 2022, 10:27:48 That is false statement backed by zero facts. That is the definition of troll behavior * - JacobRDaugherty May 5, 2022, 9:59:05 We should go with the Rick Scott plan. - WhitmansFolly May 5, 2022, 8:11:24 What other country has a problem with radical Christians?* - JeffFrank May 5, 2022, 7:35:57 Northern Ireland?* - Stu May 5, 2022, 7:51:25 That's more ethnic than religion* - bigbop85 May 5, 2022, 8:35:10 link?* - assassin May 5, 2022, 12:52:44 LOL* - ATL May 5, 2022, 8:41:47 The worst example of Christian on Christian violence. Their policy not as bad as Poland’s: - JeffFrank May 5, 2022, 8:11:13 Poland* - HamptonSki May 5, 2022, 7:43:54 Their policy has been full steam ahead on eliminating them: - JeffFrank May 5, 2022, 7:45:24 Russia. * - larue33 May 5, 2022, 7:39:04 Let’s check out their abortion policy: - JeffFrank May 5, 2022, 7:40:25 Everyone is all for population control in Iowa* - Stu May 5, 2022, 7:26:26 Iowa's population has been almost flat for 4 decades, bruh* - skankhunt42 May 5, 2022, 7:36:00 doesn't seem like enough population control* - ATL May 5, 2022, 7:54:17 But no one wants more Iowans around* - Stu May 5, 2022, 7:41:09 Thank god this Trumpalo dipshittery doesn’t last. * - doubledown May 5, 2022, 7:14:51 Tim Ryan on whether there should be any restrictions on abortions - bigbop85 May 4, 2022, 22:16:39 Fox had a woman on who was a rape baby last week. Laura Ingraham had one who was a failed abortion* - JeffFrank May 5, 2022, 7:37:23 Here is the latter: - JeffFrank May 5, 2022, 7:44:03 Because letting a woman make a decision is a crazy, radical idea. * - larue33 May 5, 2022, 5:01:33 Pawnee city council had it right. Monitor their cycles and avoid.* - WhitmansFolly May 5, 2022, 8:09:39 they're just too hysterical, thankfully their husbands are there to help them with... - shua May 5, 2022, 7:17:39 Men often push for them to not have the responsibility* - JeffFrank May 5, 2022, 7:41:17 We live in the dumbest timeline... - KingTalkyTiki May 4, 2022, 19:28:59 Can’t believe he and Kimmel were together on the Man Show* - JeffFrank May 5, 2022, 7:38:22 I’m not sure I understand exactly what’s dumb about this on it’s face - meanjeans May 4, 2022, 23:09:01 Adam Carolla should not be trusted with any serious platform* - KCWildcat May 5, 2022, 6:34:44 Let alone another two-middle aged white dudes given a podium to talk 'bout what rights... - KingTalkyTiki May 5, 2022, 10:29:52 Totally, he didn't even go to college, much less has grad degrees like Liz Warren* - bigbop85 May 5, 2022, 8:24:45 Pinky swear!* - JeffFrank May 5, 2022, 8:35:30 They ruined Mike Rowe too. Appearing on Tucker is truly a Dirty Job* - JeffFrank May 5, 2022, 7:39:18 It's there some kind of Murphy's Law type rule that every famous person outlives their fame?* - Sounder May 4, 2022, 19:38:35 Dent's law: "You either die a hero, or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain"* - Chuck Woodaby May 4, 2022, 19:44:15 Michael Jordan FTW* - Sounder May 4, 2022, 20:13:32 ooo - snipes824 May 4, 2022, 19:33:00 These pauly D ones aren't real, are they?* - gvibes May 4, 2022, 20:07:08 Like this shit is funny. But also legit 50% if the voting populace devours this shit - John Coctostan May 4, 2022, 21:30:16 There is a 6 minute video. I challenge you to get past 2 minutes.* - Chuck Woodaby May 4, 2022, 20:08:08 Make that a 5 minute video. 2:20 is the clubhouse leader: - Chuck Woodaby May 4, 2022, 20:11:23 Can’t believe I made it through 45 second ad to watch maybe 10 seconds of it* - JeffFrank May 5, 2022, 7:48:36 2:21. Get owned, bitch* - gvibes May 4, 2022, 20:11:00 damnit.* - Chuck Woodaby May 4, 2022, 20:11:44 WHERE IS JA* - assassin May 4, 2022, 19:38:10 We'll get the downfall we deserve.* - KingTalkyTiki May 4, 2022, 19:37:52 The downfall we deserve - ATL May 5, 2022, 5:55:24 House committee in LA just voted to make all abortions homicides. - assassin May 4, 2022, 15:55:04 as i was saying....abortion is a third rail and the MAGA coalition is already cracking - suburbanmyth May 4, 2022, 14:35:08 How is that guy a thought leader? - complainant May 4, 2022, 17:58:14 He was the first to market with "What if Bill Simmons, but also SomethingAwful and TheChive?" - Sammich May 4, 2022, 20:05:39 In the land of the blind, the one eyed man is king* - Sounder May 4, 2022, 18:16:54 Co-host Chicago Eddie knows where his bread is buttered* - Sammich May 4, 2022, 16:53:22 I just can't wrap my head around the potential ramifications of this ruling - Sounder May 4, 2022, 15:20:41 More people support the Mississippi law than oppose it - bigbop85 May 4, 2022, 15:23:05 LOL* - suburbanmyth May 4, 2022, 15:39:22 but we're not talking about the Mississippi law - Sounder May 4, 2022, 15:25:48 if you haven't been paying attention, he reframes everything referencing Roe - VIV May 4, 2022, 15:30:00 Ooo - John Coctostan May 4, 2022, 15:49:47 If the Mississippi law were national law, 96% of all abortions would still take place* - Sounder May 4, 2022, 15:27:26 90%, you should learn when trimesters start, but this is why it won't do much politically - bigbop85 May 4, 2022, 16:44:12 except dave portnoy and probably millions of others that you will ignore.... - suburbanmyth May 4, 2022, 17:13:31 Ultimately this won't affect Dave Portnoy or any of the millions of people of his ilk in any way. - Chuck Woodaby May 4, 2022, 17:38:36 just need the zeitgeist to move to the left so narratives can be driven.... - suburbanmyth May 4, 2022, 17:58:33 Maybe. - Chuck Woodaby May 4, 2022, 18:41:52 There are always exceptions - Sounder May 4, 2022, 16:49:55 100% would. - Chuck Woodaby May 4, 2022, 15:39:18 Just think about how many kids he'd have right now if abortion had been outlawed* - HamptonSki May 4, 2022, 15:07:42 That’s definitely the impetus for his view on this - snipes824 May 4, 2022, 15:21:47 Interesting, and I'm glad he's speaking up. - GMAW May 4, 2022, 14:55:45 Bro political philosophy is equally amusing and frustrating - CanHartlebHireSnider May 4, 2022, 15:32:15 lean libertarian, super into crypto, think they are smarter than they are?* - Sounder May 4, 2022, 16:57:51 I'm somewhat there - CanHartlebHireSnider May 4, 2022, 17:13:51 what abstinence only sex education gets you - VIV May 4, 2022, 13:25:17 To quote Hank Williams Jr, "If the south would have won WE would have had it made"* - Chuck Woodaby May 4, 2022, 15:02:48 It is the women's Body and we are telling her what to do with it. - JacobRDaugherty May 4, 2022, 12:19:40 curious how you feel about prostitution, drugs, trans fats, smoking, sugary drinks, etc. - Potomac May 4, 2022, 12:39:42 Prostitution should probably be legalized and regulated. - KingTalkyTiki May 4, 2022, 13:00:25 The Dutch have this one right* - Sounder May 4, 2022, 13:29:04 What are you talking about? You think I support what the Supreme Court is doing?* - JacobRDaugherty May 4, 2022, 12:43:28 Read it again. He's asking how/if you apply same hands-off philosophy to other things which could - gnpbfubbgre May 4, 2022, 12:46:28 I am not a libertarian because I am not a child so I don't understand the question - JacobRDaugherty May 4, 2022, 12:49:31 There are ways to avoid getting pregnant that are completely within the control - Samricky May 4, 2022, 12:25:45 Got it, all the responsibility of the women, none the men. I believe - JacobRDaugherty May 4, 2022, 12:42:03 For the record, I don’t actually believe this. I just want to point out the - JacobRDaugherty May 4, 2022, 12:46:46 If I know I’m gonna be out in the sun all day, I certainly put sunscreen or a hat on. The simple - Samricky May 4, 2022, 12:45:48 Got it on the woman, the man is too stupid to take responsibility * - JacobRDaugherty May 4, 2022, 13:29:13 ...or worn a FJB t-shirt and prevented the intercourse in the first place.* - KingTalkyTiki May 4, 2022, 12:45:06 Were you more mad that your girlfriend cheated on you, or that she didn’t let you watch? * - Samricky May 4, 2022, 12:47:01 still better than being married to dee snider* - suburbanmyth May 4, 2022, 13:29:15 The homunculous has entered the chat. * - Samricky May 4, 2022, 15:29:11 You are a child* - longsnapper May 4, 2022, 13:03:24 No, I’m just willing to punch back when I get attacked. * - Samricky May 4, 2022, 13:04:36 You attack more than you get attacked. - WhitmansFolly May 4, 2022, 13:21:31 That is simply not true, but I’m a big boy and I can take it. I am a counterpuncher. * - Samricky May 4, 2022, 13:25:55 no, you're a bully looking for justification - VIV May 4, 2022, 13:31:30 OMG, preach it!! - Kajagoogoo May 4, 2022, 13:39:48 That’s not true either. I gladly went months or longer not interacting at all with people - Samricky May 4, 2022, 13:35:55 Who walks into the room everyday screaming "Somebody hit me!" - Chicago1995 May 4, 2022, 13:27:24 Mostly just presenting a differing point of view. It is a well known fact that libs - Samricky May 4, 2022, 13:30:22 Oh yes, because Greg Gutfield and Jesse Watters are so funny - JacobRDaugherty May 4, 2022, 13:43:58 don't forget steven crowder! wait, you probably already did* - VIV May 4, 2022, 13:49:40 yep, all of those famouse conservative comedians - Sounder May 4, 2022, 13:33:09 This. You can't claim "foul" if you are a habitual shitposter. - WhitmansFolly May 4, 2022, 13:29:36 could you fill me in on the backstory, here? Thx* - skankhunt42 May 4, 2022, 13:12:00 LOL, Woki came home to a condom wrapper on the floor while living with his GF. - Samricky May 4, 2022, 13:13:20 Ouch. Was it some XXXL Magnum? Did they live together as "just friends" until the lease ran out?* - skankhunt42 May 4, 2022, 13:22:41 No idea, but I suspect that is a contributing factor in why the Ish calls him a cuck * - Samricky May 4, 2022, 13:27:53 Well, if you don't know all of the facts you shouldn't make fun of him for it. It's not his fault - skankhunt42 May 4, 2022, 13:31:53 Snowflake. * - Chicago1995 May 4, 2022, 13:08:02 "Attacked." Pull your nuts down* - longsnapper May 4, 2022, 13:06:38 You are right, it is very weak. But that is his MO * - Samricky May 4, 2022, 13:15:41 Would it surprise you that the logic underlying Roe v Wade also underlies precedent legalizing - ATL May 4, 2022, 12:29:48 too bad conservatives are anti-birth control and anti-sex education* - shua May 4, 2022, 12:27:39 Why should they? A majority of them will still be able to get an abortion if they really want one. - KingTalkyTiki May 4, 2022, 12:49:48 49% of women who get abortions are below the poverty line* - Sounder May 4, 2022, 13:30:56 I'd be interested to see what % of those would now be unable to get an abortion or travel for one. - KingTalkyTiki May 4, 2022, 13:39:12 Lol no* - Stu May 4, 2022, 12:29:49 ooo - ATL May 4, 2022, 12:30:25 That’s news to me. I’m not. * - Samricky May 4, 2022, 12:29:21 That's news to you? Abstinence-only "sex education" has been a tenet of the conservative movement - GMAW May 4, 2022, 12:36:20 The constant ‘wait what? This is what the modern gop is for now?!?’ surprise feom - John Coctostan May 4, 2022, 12:49:56 Don't fall for the bulls&*t. They know what the party is doing. * - Chicago1995 May 4, 2022, 13:00:13 Maybe I don’t get a copy of the playbook that I’m supposed to adhere to blindly like most libs. * - Samricky May 4, 2022, 12:39:39 says the guy wearing the LGB shirt* - Sounder May 4, 2022, 12:43:33 Not today - Samricky May 4, 2022, 12:49:47 He only adheres to the "Trigger the Libs!" playbook. - KingTalkyTiki May 4, 2022, 12:46:49 So why give him power? * - Taz May 4, 2022, 12:55:21 you guys all gotta stop man* - assassin May 4, 2022, 12:51:20 It's just astounding. They're giving these trolls the attention they're so pathetically seeking* - IlliniRunner May 4, 2022, 13:16:29 Impossible * - haighter May 4, 2022, 13:14:46 yes, and none of them are failproof* - Sounder May 4, 2022, 12:26:25 Some are * - Samricky May 4, 2022, 12:27:03 Sone liberals are too - Stu May 4, 2022, 12:31:35 Fook wrong place* - Stu May 4, 2022, 12:33:13 Ironically, that is one of the failproof methods. * - Samricky May 4, 2022, 12:34:52 Assholes want this* - KCWildcat May 4, 2022, 12:24:05 men can have babies as well, but ultimately won't this only be true in very conservative states?* - skankhunt42 May 4, 2022, 12:22:25 Yes, it's insane* - UofIL6 May 4, 2022, 12:20:29 15 week abortion poll - bigbop85 May 4, 2022, 11:08:21 You know the WSJ is Fox News -- right?* - Quiz May 4, 2022, 13:15:07 Jane Roe was 20+ weeks along when she decided to abort - bbonb May 4, 2022, 11:51:35 Jane Roe was a terrible person - Sounder May 4, 2022, 11:52:37 the vast majority of abortions are in the first 13 weeks - Sounder May 4, 2022, 11:51:15 10% of 600,000 is still 60,000 abortions after week 12 - bigbop85 May 4, 2022, 12:07:49 So it’s another sham issue? - snipes824 May 4, 2022, 12:05:05 Children should not be a consequence* - KCWildcat May 4, 2022, 11:44:28 And if you learn your fetus is non viable at 20 weeks? - gvibes May 4, 2022, 11:41:47 proponents of this bill would say yes--they are concerned that this will become a massive loophole.. - suburbanmyth May 4, 2022, 11:50:26 abortion is awful and the decision to have it is excrutiating - Sounder May 4, 2022, 11:57:56 So I want to think that too - bigbop85 May 4, 2022, 12:03:28 This Mark Lazerus thread popped in my timeline - CanHartlebHireSnider May 4, 2022, 12:05:51 Wow, and yeah when a Blackhawks beat writer is saying that…* - bigbop85 May 4, 2022, 12:34:20 Raised that reference from the dead, didn't ya?? * - osklister May 4, 2022, 15:59:56 Honestly, I absolutely agree with the intent and structure of that statement - Sounder May 4, 2022, 12:08:37 most other than the religious zealots do; and even the religious zealots come to jesus.... - suburbanmyth May 4, 2022, 12:01:18 Me? Of course not, I would always be against legislation like that - bigbop85 May 4, 2022, 11:46:21 67% of women who find out their child has Down Syndrome choose to abort - Sounder May 4, 2022, 11:54:47 Nah. - gnpbfubbgre May 4, 2022, 11:44:31 That will not satisfy their thirst for unborn blood * - Samricky May 4, 2022, 11:40:43 If we're at 50% pro-life in theory, we're probably sitting at 25% or less in actual practice* - Taz May 4, 2022, 11:10:32 I would describe myself as pretty pro choice but if they pitched a 15 week ban with exceptions for - meanjeans May 4, 2022, 11:24:32 According to the NYT article I linked above, 4% of abortions take place after 15 weeks* - Sounder May 4, 2022, 12:02:03 First trimester starts at week 13* - bigbop85 May 4, 2022, 12:56:49 Sounds reasonable in the abstract, but I don’t know enough about the statistics to say for sure - DT May 4, 2022, 11:47:10 Just did a little bit of googling, and it looks like it’s about 5% of 1M procedures or so * - meanjeans May 4, 2022, 11:57:19 Considering the unreasonables want a complete ban, we're never going to get a compromise. - theBard May 4, 2022, 11:50:22 As someone that is very pro life, I too would take the week 15 ban and be done with it - bigbop85 May 4, 2022, 11:44:07 I bet you'd get 80%+ support across a wide range. The problem you have is the DDs that want to stab - gnpbfubbgre May 4, 2022, 11:39:48 JFC. What the hell happened to you? - KingTalkyTiki May 4, 2022, 11:56:53 Nothing. The people that believe it is not a baby until it emerges from the mother are the flip side - gnpbfubbgre May 4, 2022, 11:59:13 The ####ing hypocrisy of you throwing out.. - KingTalkyTiki May 4, 2022, 12:11:00 ok.* - gnpbfubbgre May 4, 2022, 12:12:29 Exactly. Wouldn't expect you to own this either. - KingTalkyTiki May 4, 2022, 12:16:32 To be fair, I don't agree with either of those perspectives. - gnpbfubbgre May 4, 2022, 12:21:23 I'm not angling for any W besides pointing out your obvious hypocrisy... - KingTalkyTiki May 4, 2022, 12:53:04 Now you can add “arbiter of what constitutes reasonable right winger” to your signature. LOL + - Samricky May 5, 2022, 6:30:58 this both sides thing you're pitching seems fully divorced from reality* - assassin May 4, 2022, 12:07:06 This is why nobody can take you people seriously. * - doubledown May 4, 2022, 11:43:00 You literally posted "it's not a baby" -- was that a troll?* - gnpbfubbgre May 4, 2022, 11:44:58 No. It's NOT a baby until it's born. That doesn't necessarily mean it's not life, but the - doubledown May 4, 2022, 11:50:29 Oh, I'm sorry -- "There's no such thing as an unborn baby." - gnpbfubbgre May 4, 2022, 11:46:04 he also compared a fetus to livestock, so you know he's arguing in good faith* - bigbop85 May 4, 2022, 12:05:12 That wasn't him, and LOL that you would criticize "good faith"* - Sounder May 4, 2022, 12:18:27 Where did I compare it to livestock? * - doubledown May 4, 2022, 12:06:19 thing about this is you're solving an issue that either isn't a problem at all - assassin May 4, 2022, 11:38:59 right, this is the problem* - reggiedunlop May 4, 2022, 12:31:20 I’m genuinely curious how those of you that are pro life rationalize a 15 week limit. Or any limit - John Coctostan May 4, 2022, 11:48:55 Anyone else? I’m legit interested in this and open to other perspectives * - John Coctostan May 4, 2022, 12:54:32 I wouldn't call myself pro-life. - gnpbfubbgre May 4, 2022, 11:53:21 So basically you believe in the world as it is under Roe and Casey? - John Coctostan May 4, 2022, 11:56:36 Probably fair, but I'd rather see congress pass a law if it was going to be managed federally.* - gnpbfubbgre May 4, 2022, 12:01:02 That’s fine I’m not speaking of mechanism for now. Just beliefs for end outcome* - John Coctostan May 4, 2022, 12:02:08 so again, why concede anything when it'll never, ever be enough? - assassin May 4, 2022, 11:58:35 I mean what’s driving the right, and alito and colleagues, is the full pro life stance - John Coctostan May 4, 2022, 12:01:19 I think allowing the country to collectively realize that there is a huge middle ground - meanjeans May 4, 2022, 11:42:22 There is a middle ground and it is pretty much precisely that. - gnpbfubbgre May 4, 2022, 11:41:49 Rape and incest?* - ATL May 4, 2022, 11:31:46 wouldn't the initial 15 weeks be plenty of time to have the abortion in these cases?* - suburbanmyth May 4, 2022, 11:33:01 Fair point though incest is probably going to be a minor. So I think a 15 week limit would be fine. - ATL May 4, 2022, 11:54:26 Yea...these are the ideal time for the morning after pill...assuming those aren't outlawed as well.* - haighter May 4, 2022, 11:36:06 Pretty sure those would be. .* - ATL May 4, 2022, 11:46:39 Good news, been told you can get it next to the Ivermectin at farm supply. Horse abcess meds.* - gnpbfubbgre May 4, 2022, 11:47:42 Horse meds for covid? Hell no....horse meds for an abortion? - bigbop85 May 4, 2022, 12:01:22 I could see maybe not for minors. For which I’d certainly support an exception * - meanjeans May 4, 2022, 11:35:43 yes* - suburbanmyth May 4, 2022, 11:36:47 Twitter is just a cesspool right now. - GMAW May 4, 2022, 11:00:09 two words too many - IlliniSax05 May 4, 2022, 11:00:54 God bless this beautiful Blue Bubble. - KingTalkyTiki May 4, 2022, 10:28:15 Dicaro just retweeted this - illini21 May 3, 2022, 23:21:13 Like a celebratory retweet?* - Toonces May 3, 2022, 23:55:28 unhelpful. * - assassin May 3, 2022, 23:48:47 hey coctosan, here's an article telling us not to believe the polling on abortion - suburbanmyth May 3, 2022, 21:47:12 So just willfully misrepresenting my argument now huh? - John Coctostan May 4, 2022, 7:40:59 Setting aside the biased framing and some poor logic within the article… - OB25 May 4, 2022, 0:48:36 I got as far as the Trimesters lie. - complainant May 3, 2022, 23:47:38 Re the discussion below about what R states will do - John Coctostan May 3, 2022, 18:19:50 The exhaust note of a 1993 Porsche 911 Turbo* - timmer May 3, 2022, 16:05:23 If I had one of those in college I might have needed abortion to be legal* - DT May 3, 2022, 16:13:51 Roast chicken and rice. * - haighter May 3, 2022, 16:11:29 Unexpected downside of all this. - KingTalkyTiki May 3, 2022, 15:45:05 we already got "poopy pants joe" with full italics treatment this morning* - suburbanmyth May 4, 2022, 11:09:45 I am hearing it was a Sotomayor clerk that leaked it* - Tooldresser May 3, 2022, 15:25:56 I read that speculation on Twitter last night/this morning* - TarheelIllini May 3, 2022, 15:35:09 Going to have a ton of random clerks needing security due to their names being thrown around online* - OB25 May 3, 2022, 15:41:37 I am seeing that posted 20 times below* - Stu May 3, 2022, 15:34:05 I didn't feel like scrolling through this poop pile of a thread to look * - Tooldresser May 3, 2022, 15:35:20 i don't want to look at the poop pile; i just want to be in it* - suburbanmyth May 3, 2022, 15:35:56 You are a corn kernel* - JeffFrank May 3, 2022, 15:39:32 Yep* - Tooldresser May 3, 2022, 15:36:35 i heard the same thing from bigbop this morning* - suburbanmyth May 3, 2022, 15:27:27 That theory was already discussed below and it probably doesn’t make much sense - CanHartlebHireSnider May 3, 2022, 15:27:09 are you Benny Johnson?* - ECEIllinois May 3, 2022, 15:26:42 More likely Benny stole this from Tooldresser - OrangeSox May 3, 2022, 15:40:30 leftists are particularly insufferable today* - ECEIllinois May 3, 2022, 15:09:25 Talk about the most 1 word too long sentence ever!!! * - Samricky May 3, 2022, 15:35:37 Send Hillary to the gulag, but not before forced visits to Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania.* - Warrin'_Illini May 3, 2022, 15:35:17 like who?* - VIV May 3, 2022, 15:22:34 sirota for one* - ECEIllinois May 3, 2022, 15:26:02 Your best bet is not following those people* - snipes824 May 3, 2022, 15:32:10 unfortunately some people I follow keep QT that shit* - ECEIllinois May 3, 2022, 15:34:47 I follow a lot of left leaners but thankfully avoid most of Sirota* - snipes824 May 3, 2022, 15:36:04 Don’t think you need “today” for him - CanHartlebHireSnider May 3, 2022, 15:28:08 It's funny that I don't know who he is, but instantly knew which movie you were referring to* - Sounder May 3, 2022, 15:36:25 He was a Bernie speechwriter in 2020 - CanHartlebHireSnider May 3, 2022, 15:38:21 Almost as bad as last week when Musk bought twitter* - illini21 May 3, 2022, 15:10:53 Meh* - timmer May 3, 2022, 15:05:10 The media is not following the instructions - snipes824 May 3, 2022, 14:46:35 mconnell is terrified; what was a cakewalk to the midterms is now the fellowship of the rings... - suburbanmyth May 3, 2022, 15:20:15 Who are the Nazgul in this scenario - Stu May 3, 2022, 15:39:18 i don't know but oprah is sauron* - suburbanmyth May 3, 2022, 16:14:56 Yeah I remain skeptical of the overall impact, but McConnell is definitely terrified - snipes824 May 3, 2022, 15:35:00 Elizabeth Warren is the ####ing best. - KingTalkyTiki May 3, 2022, 14:29:49 She is horrible* - JeffFrank May 3, 2022, 16:56:23 Agreed* - CubsWonWorldSeries May 3, 2022, 18:31:49 God, I wish she was president. - IlliniRunner May 3, 2022, 14:34:37 She is real bad at getting people to vote for her* - gvibes May 3, 2022, 16:36:38 Bernie dominated that lane. Katie Porter will shove her out of it* - JeffFrank May 3, 2022, 18:37:39 She had withdrawn by Illinois. - KingTalkyTiki May 3, 2022, 14:59:00 She was my vote in the Washington primary* - Sounder May 3, 2022, 14:36:06 I voted for her in MD but the race was long since over by then. - DT May 3, 2022, 16:18:07 Oh yeah, I think Biden had the best chance of beating Trump. - IlliniRunner May 3, 2022, 17:14:57 And mine* - IlliniRunner May 3, 2022, 14:47:52 Even though she dropped out between me mailing my ballot and election day* - Sounder May 3, 2022, 14:49:55 I'm old enough to remember Trump being impeached for saying "fight like hell" - bigbop85 May 3, 2022, 13:56:11 You're really pathetic and exhausting.* - Chicago1995 May 3, 2022, 14:25:23 I think you are an asset to the board, but you argue in bad faith too often for my liking* - GMAW May 3, 2022, 14:18:19 I feel bad for some conservative voices here in terms of discourse but this ain't it chief.* - Warrin'_Illini May 3, 2022, 15:33:07 I agree. I think he's an asset but I think he gets too caught up in the "team mentality" - CanHartlebHireSnider May 3, 2022, 14:37:31 No disagreement there on the "team mentality" but I'm not the only one* - bigbop85 May 3, 2022, 14:57:55 It’s the purposeful (?) lack of context every god damn time. * - assassin May 3, 2022, 14:38:14 Thanks, Susan* - IlliniRunner May 3, 2022, 14:31:43 Someone, somewhere, is probably proud of you for being such a loyal progressive - GMAW May 3, 2022, 14:47:44 Thinking bigbop is a troll & here just for trolling has nothing to do w/ being a "loyal progressive" - IlliniRunner May 3, 2022, 14:50:53 How so? - Chicago1995 May 3, 2022, 14:30:34 lol* - cpsteine May 3, 2022, 14:26:11 How so? - bigbop85 May 3, 2022, 14:22:28 Sorry, not taking the bait. If you don't see the meaningful differences between the comments you're - GMAW May 3, 2022, 14:29:55 Two letters too many* - Stu May 3, 2022, 14:19:07 He's an asset to the boa?* - Illiniphil May 3, 2022, 14:27:27 Suffocating.* - complainant May 3, 2022, 14:33:21 He seems to be really wrapped up in this discussion.* - Illiniphil May 3, 2022, 14:40:38 Good lord, this should be an incredibly joyful day for you - RangerDanger May 3, 2022, 14:09:40 See the pubs twisting themselves in knots over the leak - IlliniRunner May 3, 2022, 14:33:27 ooo - bigbop85 May 3, 2022, 14:10:32 And?* - RangerDanger May 3, 2022, 14:13:28 Seeing clips of Pocahontas’s head about to explode is entertaining. * - Samricky May 3, 2022, 14:09:15 and this sums up the goals of modern day GOP constituents* - cpsteine May 3, 2022, 14:21:43 Should have posted from the alt, muppet.* - Toonces May 3, 2022, 14:07:27 That was in front of a mob he assembled and sent off to the capital* - JeffFrank May 3, 2022, 14:03:51 I’m all for protesters taking over the Supreme Court and attempting to lynch Alito - Stu May 3, 2022, 14:03:44 Is this your genuine dialogue seeking?* - Chilango May 3, 2022, 14:00:15 Sorry, forgot people here never point out the hypocrisy of politicians* - bigbop85 May 3, 2022, 14:03:09 Wake me up when she causes an insurrection - Chilango May 3, 2022, 14:18:21 yoyo was right, i was wrong. my bad. * - assassin May 3, 2022, 13:57:33 What happens in practice to abortions? - ab75 May 3, 2022, 13:03:59 Why would this lead to more liberal policies in most places?* - Chicago1995 May 3, 2022, 13:15:04 Well, maybe I should have said for most of the population - ab75 May 3, 2022, 13:18:20 I understand there are areas of gray, but really its more a yes or no thing at this point. - Chicago1995 May 3, 2022, 13:23:29 Because those moves at the margin in no way balance the scales* - IlliniRunner May 3, 2022, 13:25:17 From the states that currently have it banned if Roe overturned - CanHartlebHireSnider May 3, 2022, 13:16:49 you don't think this would move the needle to the left in these states? - suburbanmyth May 3, 2022, 13:21:12 I don't think it is a gift to the D's - TarheelIllini May 3, 2022, 13:30:30 In AL, AR, ID, KY, LA, MS, MO, ND, OK, SD, TN, TX, UT, WV, WY - CanHartlebHireSnider May 3, 2022, 13:26:32 so 15 states will ban it until their is national legislation; unfortunate to be sure.... - suburbanmyth May 3, 2022, 13:29:08 FL won't move left, either. Wi will try to push it through Evers. - Chicago1995 May 3, 2022, 13:28:41 Florida doesn't have a pre-roe ban or trigger ban though* - CanHartlebHireSnider May 3, 2022, 13:29:37 So it will, when it outlaws abortion, move right. - Chicago1995 May 3, 2022, 13:30:57 I just don't see what you see. People might claim to be pro-life in theory, but - Taz May 3, 2022, 13:20:40 Ok which of the states I listed above do you think are going to remove their abortion bans?* - CanHartlebHireSnider May 3, 2022, 13:27:30 I doubt AZ is a fight. PA will likely move to outlaw. - Chicago1995 May 3, 2022, 13:20:29 and will be a political wipeout for them in the next session, when all will be undone - suburbanmyth May 3, 2022, 13:22:59 Given how Wisconsin's GOP lead legislature is acting, I don't think they understand self-interest. - Chicago1995 May 3, 2022, 13:25:01 also helps if you can just rig your democracy any way you want* - reggiedunlop May 3, 2022, 13:27:50 Yep.* - Chicago1995 May 3, 2022, 13:29:18 Just to be clear, you think substantially all GOP lead will vote for pure ban? - ab75 May 3, 2022, 13:22:32 Yes. They'll be under great pressure from the National GOP to follow through with bans I think. - Chicago1995 May 3, 2022, 13:27:48 I guess I don't think the GOP is that principled - ab75 May 3, 2022, 13:33:51 At one point, I'd have been more inclined to agree - Chicago1995 May 3, 2022, 13:38:03 not to be a jerk, but have you paid any attention at all to what it means to be a GOP elected today? - John Coctostan May 3, 2022, 13:24:27 Hyperbole. - Illiniphil May 3, 2022, 13:30:36 for sure. there are some. but i mean the wind is blowing one direction - John Coctostan May 3, 2022, 13:33:56 All the moderate Republicans are still voting for all the more extremist legislation - Chicago1995 May 3, 2022, 13:32:24 i think there is a difference here; roe allowed so much political theatre that will no longer - suburbanmyth May 3, 2022, 13:39:11 I’m not sure how big (or immediate) any backlash will be, though - DT May 3, 2022, 13:48:03 I think the lines for the most part have already been drawn - CanHartlebHireSnider May 3, 2022, 13:59:48 Not so much at the state level. - Illiniphil May 3, 2022, 13:38:15 20 states have passed laws following the GOP talking points about election security. - Chicago1995 May 3, 2022, 14:29:51 again, i really don't think this is true. i don't know how you measure it - John Coctostan May 3, 2022, 13:52:46 Do you watch the news or read the news? - Chilango May 3, 2022, 13:51:26 not really* - ab75 May 3, 2022, 13:29:25 Arizona has a pretty split legislature - CanHartlebHireSnider May 3, 2022, 13:22:17 I shouldn't be surprised by anything anymore - ab75 May 3, 2022, 13:19:53 best breakdown i've seen so far - John Coctostan May 3, 2022, 13:12:41 that color scheme is terrible* - bbonb May 3, 2022, 13:50:57 seems like more of a day 1 scenario ... it may be right, but I would think - ab75 May 3, 2022, 13:20:53 where? - John Coctostan May 3, 2022, 13:22:04 I would expect the entire midwest, Arizona, NM, Texas, GA, NC for sure - ab75 May 3, 2022, 13:25:20 If Illinois, Minnesota and maybe Iowa are the entire Midwest, you might be right. - larue33 May 3, 2022, 14:00:08 Texas literally passed a trigger ban last spring if Roe is overturned - CanHartlebHireSnider May 3, 2022, 13:39:04 What do you count Missouri? Or Indiana?* - IlliniRunner May 3, 2022, 13:29:12 Midwest ... I don't think they'll have all-out bans* - ab75 May 3, 2022, 13:30:50 They already do if Roe is overturned - CanHartlebHireSnider May 3, 2022, 13:40:18 Missouri will for sure* - IlliniRunner May 3, 2022, 13:33:00 100%. the AG said so today! Day 1, trigger ban in effect - John Coctostan May 3, 2022, 13:35:02 Passed in 2019. It's not as if these are from 50 years ago - CanHartlebHireSnider May 3, 2022, 13:41:56 exactly. i feel like i'm taking crazy pills here* - John Coctostan May 3, 2022, 13:45:37 Missouri has a six week ban - CanHartlebHireSnider May 3, 2022, 13:50:28 i'm very confused by that part of the MO law - John Coctostan May 3, 2022, 13:57:24 well i should have just googled it before posting. this post is correct per - John Coctostan May 3, 2022, 13:59:17 That is fair, and I didn't realize these bans were in effect - ab75 May 3, 2022, 14:33:41 sure there was cover. but what evidence do you have in MO or elsewhere that these - John Coctostan May 3, 2022, 14:44:06 Yeah I just meant currently* - CanHartlebHireSnider May 3, 2022, 14:13:54 I just googled ... I think it's 8 weeks - ab75 May 3, 2022, 13:55:47 this bill is usurped by the trigger ban that will go in effect the day Roe is overturned. see above* - John Coctostan May 3, 2022, 14:10:27 Missouri's gonna try and ban residents from getting abortions outside the state* - assassin May 3, 2022, 13:33:45 you think MO, IN, NE for example are going to revert course? - John Coctostan May 3, 2022, 13:27:31 by the way, for all of the bellyaching about the leak, what exactly is the investigation about? - suburbanmyth May 3, 2022, 12:59:30 Care for a Roe v. Wade fun fact that will take, like, 3 seconds? - bbonb May 3, 2022, 12:49:50 That was her real last name. Her real first name was Rutledge. She went by "Rut."* - VIV May 3, 2022, 12:58:56 Well, I’ll be. Somebody actually looked it up* - bbonb May 3, 2022, 13:06:22 AKA Jane Roe is a pretty good documentary that came out a few years ago - Sounder May 3, 2022, 13:19:08 pretty much a money-grubbing #### who had a rough upbringing - bbonb May 3, 2022, 13:47:58 so, assuming this comes to pass, why wouldn't the dems, on the same day, - John Coctostan May 3, 2022, 12:27:37 doesn't it make more sense to propose legislation that legalizes abortion nationally? - suburbanmyth May 3, 2022, 12:37:37 i highly doubt nationwide legalization polls at 80% - John Coctostan May 3, 2022, 13:05:52 when asked if you are pro life or pro choice, its 47% to 49% - bigbop85 May 3, 2022, 13:26:32 i actually love that you ignore facts that hurt your feelings.... - suburbanmyth May 3, 2022, 13:31:57 what entitlements that you list above poll at 59%?* - suburbanmyth May 3, 2022, 13:18:55 from the pew poll linked from your forbes link - John Coctostan May 3, 2022, 13:22:56 thank you for proving my point* - suburbanmyth May 3, 2022, 13:28:12 ok i must be a moron then because i don't see what you're seeing from that link that suggest - John Coctostan May 3, 2022, 13:30:16 that poll has it at 59%; forbes cited a *different* poll for 80%; what's hard to grasp about that? - suburbanmyth May 3, 2022, 13:33:04 yes, that's one poll showing 80% - John Coctostan May 3, 2022, 13:39:53 another pile of great poll numbers - suburbanmyth May 3, 2022, 13:46:03 i mean you keep ignoring that even the pew poll shows 59%; i can't help you* - suburbanmyth May 3, 2022, 13:41:07 i'm not ignoring it at all. it's obviously above 50%. i don't think it's really 80% - John Coctostan May 3, 2022, 13:48:40 Weed legalization is close* - JacobRDaugherty May 3, 2022, 12:49:16 because they're unfocused morons* - ghost_of_clt May 3, 2022, 12:29:45 what. a. gift (bigbop, don't look) - suburbanmyth May 3, 2022, 12:27:24 i could not be happier about this development.... - suburbanmyth May 3, 2022, 11:56:29 and, of course, the impeachment angle i discussed below...... - suburbanmyth May 3, 2022, 12:17:10 i mean, the "don't say gay (which doesn't really say don't say gay" bill generated furor...... - suburbanmyth May 3, 2022, 12:12:37 Cmon man. We also didn’t want all those good recruits that Weber missed on either.* - Toonces May 3, 2022, 12:06:02 Lisa feels lied to - ATL May 3, 2022, 11:26:41 It mostly just goes to the sham that is the SCOTUS confirmation process - snipes824 May 3, 2022, 11:34:05 Agreed it's a joke that came about due to anti-semitism - CanHartlebHireSnider May 3, 2022, 11:39:22 While we’re at it, let’s go back to the State of the Union as a written report instead of a speech * - DT May 3, 2022, 11:44:32 I'm on board for that too* - CanHartlebHireSnider May 3, 2022, 11:46:22 yeah, the ship sailed on an apolitical court entirely divorced from the executive a long time ago* - VIV May 3, 2022, 11:35:21 Tell me you’re a moron without telling me you’re a moron* - Mrap24 May 3, 2022, 11:31:48 "hi everyone, my screen name is Sammich" - IlliniSax05 May 3, 2022, 11:34:03 ooo - Sammich May 3, 2022, 11:57:29 Got him * - illiniranger May 3, 2022, 11:45:18 ooo - IlliniSax05 May 3, 2022, 11:58:12 Are she and Collins actually this dumb?* - Chicago1995 May 3, 2022, 11:31:44 Oh for ####'s sake. Of course they aren't. They knew this would happen - IlliniRunner May 3, 2022, 12:53:16 i think this is nothing more than face-saving to appear more moderate - VIV May 3, 2022, 11:33:51 Of course they knew. And lets face it, for (fertile) women in Murkowski's millieu, it won't be much - ATL May 3, 2022, 11:35:58 Who does this play to? The on-the-fence moderate is a myth, Lisa and Susan have been around - ghost_of_clt May 3, 2022, 11:35:57 why are we acting like these people are powerless? legislation can get passed that would easily.... - suburbanmyth May 3, 2022, 12:13:54 While I agree there is 0 chance Susan Collins will be the 50th vote to end the filibuster - CanHartlebHireSnider May 3, 2022, 12:17:14 and, in the end, legislation is much more robust anyway so this will end up being a good thing.... - suburbanmyth May 3, 2022, 12:25:29 whether this cycle or next, given its popularity, some legislation will get done - suburbanmyth May 3, 2022, 12:24:41 So they think so little of the public that we'd believe they were misled? - Chicago1995 May 3, 2022, 11:35:08 Their contempt for their voters is boundless* - IlliniRunner May 3, 2022, 12:54:22 Yeah, they are smart enough to know that swing voters are dumb. - DT May 3, 2022, 11:45:39 you didn't need 'swing' there* - assassin May 3, 2022, 11:46:32 yes. yes they do.* - VIV May 3, 2022, 11:35:39 her and Collins should probably just shut up and stick their heads back in the sand* - shua May 3, 2022, 11:31:08 What a complete dumb ####* - GMAW May 3, 2022, 11:29:13 Leopards. Face. etc. * - assassin May 3, 2022, 11:28:38 This ####ing guy … - doubledown May 3, 2022, 10:58:28 Roberts says leak is real, but doesn't represent final decision. Opening an investigation into leak - CanHartlebHireSnider May 3, 2022, 10:18:14 Interesting thread from former Supreme Court Clerk theorizing it's a clerk from the majority - Chicago1995 May 3, 2022, 11:43:18 This was my 4D chess theory last night - Blazer May 3, 2022, 15:46:07 given the timeline laid out here, i agree with this theory* - VIV May 3, 2022, 12:56:40 everything there makes sense. timing in particular* - John Coctostan May 3, 2022, 12:12:45 That logic makes sense to me. And the note on timing is interesting as well.* - DT May 3, 2022, 11:55:02 The first tweet is why I don't think it was a liberal - CanHartlebHireSnider May 3, 2022, 11:50:56 Oh good, an investigation, that’ll do the trick* - Mrap24 May 3, 2022, 11:20:05 All olds leak to some extent - timmer May 3, 2022, 11:03:23 Put me down for Sotomayor Clerk Amit Jain, previously quoted by Josh Gerstein - bigbop85 May 3, 2022, 10:47:08 I think it was Scooter Libby* - DT May 3, 2022, 11:23:45 Except he wasn't a Sotomayor clerk for quite some time* - gvibes May 3, 2022, 11:21:34 Per wiki he is a current clerk of Sottomayor's - ATL May 3, 2022, 11:30:12 He's a current clerk with some relationship with the outlet that got the leak. - Chicago1995 May 3, 2022, 11:27:50 Huh, what the eff was I reading* - gvibes May 3, 2022, 11:59:47 As scotusblog notes should be asking why a nat sec reporter like Alexander Ward is on the byline - CanHartlebHireSnider May 3, 2022, 11:30:19 Agreed. - Chicago1995 May 3, 2022, 11:33:19 My guess is Ward obtained the leak - CanHartlebHireSnider May 3, 2022, 11:36:56 Totally. - Chicago1995 May 3, 2022, 11:39:04 I don’t see a quote from that person in the article unless I’m missing it* - OB25 May 3, 2022, 11:02:38 I had to ctrl-f; it's at the bottom - Sammich May 3, 2022, 11:07:08 ooo - bigbop85 May 3, 2022, 11:13:34 Control F is your friend* - bigbop85 May 3, 2022, 11:04:21 I didn’t realize it was a whole page of articles, I thought we were reading the first one* - OB25 May 3, 2022, 11:06:45 given how quickly Josh Hawley moved to shout conspiracy - assassin May 3, 2022, 10:23:55 Seems like it's most likely from Roberts own sphere. - Chicago1995 May 3, 2022, 10:28:14 Seems like there is at least 1 justice uncomfortable with the Alito opinion - CanHartlebHireSnider May 3, 2022, 10:28:11 Or that one of those five has bailed from the initial vote, and they are trying to put pressure on* - gvibes May 3, 2022, 10:29:08 i would expect a fence-sitter to be the only one that wouldn't want it released - VIV May 3, 2022, 10:45:05 yeah, this is my perspective too* - reggiedunlop May 3, 2022, 10:48:17 scotusblog seems to think it's a fencesitter - CanHartlebHireSnider May 3, 2022, 10:50:41 what's the angle for a fence-sitter? - VIV May 3, 2022, 10:56:58 It's not about changing their mind - CanHartlebHireSnider May 3, 2022, 11:03:22 I’m not sure that makes sense - DT May 3, 2022, 10:34:27 I'm not sure - CanHartlebHireSnider May 3, 2022, 10:39:00 Or, knowing that Kavanaugh might be amenable to softening it, Roberts leaks. - Chicago1995 May 3, 2022, 10:54:48 i would think that would accomplish the opposite, but that's just me* - VIV May 3, 2022, 11:01:15 Depends on Kavanaugh. - Chicago1995 May 3, 2022, 11:26:01 Isn't that kind of the same as a I said? - CanHartlebHireSnider May 3, 2022, 10:32:42 I read it a little differently, but yeah, I think we are on the same page* - gvibes May 3, 2022, 11:58:06 That is my uneducated guess. It’s Brett* - CoronaTheirAss May 3, 2022, 10:31:18 statement - CanHartlebHireSnider May 3, 2022, 10:21:50 Gonna be pretty awkward when he finds out the leaker is Ginnie Thomas* - snipes824 May 3, 2022, 10:20:54 I think it might be Kavanaugh* - CanHartlebHireSnider May 3, 2022, 10:22:23 Agreed. Brett probably though Roe vs Wade was a drinking game* - CoronaTheirAss May 3, 2022, 10:32:45 I can’t tell if it’s kavanaugh trying to rejoin polite society - snipes824 May 3, 2022, 10:32:28 This logic doesn't compute for me, guy was called a gang rapist in front of his family - bigbop85 May 3, 2022, 11:05:21 Well that's not the sourced politico reporting - CanHartlebHireSnider May 3, 2022, 11:21:25 What if it were an actual Justice or found to be done at the explicit request of a Justice... - haighter May 3, 2022, 10:32:20 Well whoever leaked it is obviously someone that is close to the justices - CanHartlebHireSnider May 3, 2022, 10:35:46 Sure...but I'm playing speculative games here. If so and so Clerk said... - haighter May 3, 2022, 10:38:29 Impeachment is possible. Federal judges have been impeached and removed before - CanHartlebHireSnider May 3, 2022, 10:41:57 This news should functionally ruin the utility of the Deuce for at least a few days* - Sounder May 3, 2022, 10:14:49 the media can only focus on one topic at a time - Dilbert May 3, 2022, 10:21:47 Thing I noticed on Twitter this morning - Sounder May 3, 2022, 10:09:02 some actual stats on abortion perception from a religion writer - reggiedunlop May 3, 2022, 10:05:10 huge gift to the dems ahead of the midterms* - VIV May 3, 2022, 9:52:18 narrator: it didn't make a difference* - Sounder May 3, 2022, 10:04:56 I’m skeptical of that* - snipes824 May 3, 2022, 10:02:33 I think it will help in certain governor's races - CanHartlebHireSnider May 3, 2022, 10:06:19 Yeah could help locally for governors and state legislators in purple states - snipes824 May 3, 2022, 10:14:57 Trump might actually help the Dems keep the Senate - Sounder May 3, 2022, 10:08:13 That was happening prior to this leak. - Illiniphil May 3, 2022, 10:30:01 I think it’s messed up to view it that way. Also don’t see how the GOP giving its shithead base - Toonces May 3, 2022, 10:01:04 why is it messed up to view it that way? - VIV May 3, 2022, 10:34:07 would have to go back to the confirmation transcripts but I wonder if you can…. - suburbanmyth May 3, 2022, 9:22:55 deeply troubled susan collins might sign up for it - John Coctostan May 3, 2022, 9:38:25 She can’t really be that stupid, can she* - Mrap24 May 3, 2022, 9:44:19 Not as dumb as the person thinking SC confirmation hearings could lead to perjury - bigbop85 May 3, 2022, 10:02:46 Are witnesses at these hearings not sworn in or something?* - ATL May 3, 2022, 10:14:36 No rake left unturned for the muppet.* - Toonces May 3, 2022, 10:39:14 It’s not stupidity. It’s lack of political consequences. * - doubledown May 3, 2022, 9:45:56 Can you elaborate for a dumb person like me?* - Mrap24 May 3, 2022, 9:48:15 Most voters pay almost no attention to politics - DT May 3, 2022, 9:52:08 She does nothing and feigns “concern” and the people who vote for her think - doubledown May 3, 2022, 9:50:35 I still question her win in 2020 - TarheelIllini May 3, 2022, 10:20:23 could god make a string of pearls so big, even Susan Collins couldn't clutch them?* - shua May 3, 2022, 9:42:34 She’s shocked, shocked! to find out there’s judicial extremism going on in here.* - DT May 3, 2022, 9:41:12 Judicial philosophy is fluid. - DT May 3, 2022, 9:26:25 if you say something is binding precedent 18 mos. ago, what changed since?* - suburbanmyth May 3, 2022, 9:28:01 Merrick Garland's still the AG, even if it is perjury.* - Chicago1995 May 3, 2022, 9:30:53 Garland is the Susan Collins of AG's* - Sounder May 3, 2022, 10:10:57 He's so lacking in spine he's actually a slug.* - Chicago1995 May 3, 2022, 10:29:06 I guess I need to watch the handmaid‘s tale since according to libs that is what - Samricky May 3, 2022, 9:00:12 Since this is such a ludicrous slippery slope argument… - DT May 3, 2022, 9:36:29 I’m just sitting back and eating my popcorn. * - Samricky May 3, 2022, 9:46:33 blessed be the fruit, samricky* - gvibes May 3, 2022, 9:02:49 And also with you??? * - Samricky May 3, 2022, 9:13:51 "and with your spirit" you heathen* - VIV May 3, 2022, 9:16:33 "praise be" is the proper response* - gvibes May 3, 2022, 9:14:14 “May the lord open” is the response, IIRC. * - doubledown May 3, 2022, 9:16:48 shit, I only watched a few episodes* - gvibes May 3, 2022, 9:17:29 "stolen, illegitimate, extremist" - bigbop85 May 3, 2022, 8:44:30 The difference is they let the justices take their seats once the vote was cast* - CoronaTheirAss May 3, 2022, 9:48:33 About 60% of the general public support Roe. Calling it extremist to overturn it isn't crazy. - Chicago1995 May 3, 2022, 8:56:48 It's 49-47 at the moment - bigbop85 May 3, 2022, 9:01:48 Same pollster-58-32 - illini222 May 3, 2022, 9:38:30 ABC News Pole last week 28% favor overturning it. Abortion on demand polls 30 points higher. - ATL May 3, 2022, 11:34:20 That’s even on the high end. Other legitimate polling has it around 25% support for overturning* - OB25 May 3, 2022, 10:19:30 there you go, thanks* - gvibes May 3, 2022, 10:00:33 Thank you. Yea, that's an important difference in opinion. * - OWWDig May 3, 2022, 9:47:31 there is no rake…….* - suburbanmyth May 3, 2022, 9:22:00 Your poll is a different question. Support for maintaining the precedent Roe set actually over 60% - Chicago1995 May 3, 2022, 9:04:45 that's not a poll for abortion rights* - shua May 3, 2022, 9:04:00 That seems like a different question* - gvibes May 3, 2022, 9:03:17 yup. the fineprint says that this question was asked after asking about the legality of abortion. - OWWDig May 3, 2022, 9:20:58 Well one of the seats was stolen. Merrick Garland should be a justice* - JacobRDaugherty May 3, 2022, 8:47:29 RBG also should've retired during the Obama administration* - bjl63 May 3, 2022, 8:48:11 The refusal of Democrats to think and act tactically is no small part of the mess we are in.* - Chicago1995 May 3, 2022, 8:52:14 It’s definitely stolen and extremist. But it’s Democrats’ fault for playing by the rules and - doubledown May 3, 2022, 8:47:07 would that be a good thing?* - bbonb May 3, 2022, 7:54:53 If you’re an unborn baby sure - Stu May 3, 2022, 8:08:38 There’s no such thing as an unborn baby. - doubledown May 3, 2022, 8:35:53 It does have the capacity to feel pain and resist the abortion* - bigbop85 May 3, 2022, 9:00:04 Resist the Abortion is the name of my new indie band* - Sounder May 3, 2022, 10:10:09 So what? - DT May 3, 2022, 9:39:26 *Albert Pujols has entered the chat* - Chuck Woodaby May 3, 2022, 10:35:52 Lol. Nice blast from the past.* - DT May 3, 2022, 10:49:55 Comparing livestock to humans... - bigbop85 May 3, 2022, 10:05:07 I guess it all depends on where you want to draw the line. - Illiniphil May 3, 2022, 10:12:30 Good grief. - DT May 3, 2022, 10:18:47 He was responding to someone who said it’s OK to kill babies because they don’t care about things* - memester May 3, 2022, 12:26:27 Sorry, but that comparison is absolute horseshit. - Illiniphil May 3, 2022, 9:55:02 I agree that eventually a fetus develops into a human with rights that pigs, say, don’t have - DT May 3, 2022, 10:04:03 Haven't heard this one before* - CubsWonWorldSeries May 3, 2022, 9:53:24 LOL. * - doubledown May 3, 2022, 9:08:20 Lol indeed - WhitmansFolly May 3, 2022, 9:16:05 If you were an unborn baby you wouldnt say that* - Stu May 3, 2022, 8:42:40 That is accurate. * - doubledown May 3, 2022, 8:45:27 Much better than a draft opinion leak* - snipes824 May 3, 2022, 8:00:08 or a draft leak. I mean, we all knew that Jacksonville was taking Travon Walker days before the draf - bbonb May 3, 2022, 8:04:26 A lot of people seem to think so* - HamptonSki May 3, 2022, 7:57:13 well, i'm confident that the country will unify around this issue.* - bbonb May 3, 2022, 8:00:28 Fist bumps*** - HamptonSki May 3, 2022, 8:02:23 I know he says it won't, but i can't possibly understand how the logic alito uses won't - John Coctostan May 3, 2022, 7:26:21 this is what the civil rights lawyers are seeing* - memyselfandillini May 3, 2022, 10:24:34 He and his brethren said Roe was settled law in their confirmation hearings too. - Chicago1995 May 3, 2022, 8:39:04 Civil rights are statutory, mainly, I think - DT May 3, 2022, 8:00:01 tons of interpretation still goes on though* - memyselfandillini May 3, 2022, 10:25:10 Yep. Start with states that want to ban contraception. * - ATL May 3, 2022, 7:34:06 Wait, there are states that want to ban contraception?* - CWR10 May 3, 2022, 8:31:00 there are forces in states for sure. for example good ol MO - John Coctostan May 3, 2022, 12:09:07 yep - ATL May 3, 2022, 9:20:10 Make obtaining it really hard, yes.* - Chicago1995 May 3, 2022, 8:42:00 You're correct. It will be.* - complainant May 3, 2022, 7:29:56 Can someone TTMLI5 why this leak would be a big deal? - Carl Spackler May 3, 2022, 6:35:19 Couple of thoughts - Chicago1995 May 3, 2022, 8:51:28 TTMLI3 - KCWildcat May 3, 2022, 8:35:12 My guess: Libs fear Red states will make abortion illegal for white people - Stu May 3, 2022, 6:51:42 The issue I can see is that Court decisions often go through multiple drafts and involve negotiation - DT May 3, 2022, 6:45:07 So would it actually have been voted on yet, or is this a possible scenario leaked* - KCWildcat May 3, 2022, 6:47:41 They vote right away, then the Chief assigns the opinion. - complainant May 3, 2022, 6:53:11 They have a tentative vote so they can decide who writes the majority - GMAW May 3, 2022, 6:51:25 It's a tradition. But also it potentially affects the work product. - complainant May 3, 2022, 6:43:23 Aren’t the cases they take public? So there’s outside pressure anyway?* - Carl Spackler May 3, 2022, 7:02:16 Yes. It's a pageant. - complainant May 3, 2022, 7:07:38 News channels and network news have drafts of hundreds of “____” = Ed Martin - timmer May 3, 2022, 2:09:21 That was funny but I don’t know what it has to do with this thread* - TarheelIllini May 3, 2022, 6:46:43 Most specialized formulas have been out of stock for months now thanks to one recall - RangerDanger May 3, 2022, 1:06:38 hard not to blame RBG for our current situation; hope all of the merch was worth it* - suburbanmyth May 3, 2022, 0:03:54 Without question* - gvibes May 3, 2022, 8:41:52 I absolutely blame RBG. It's her fault, and now it's her legacy.* - complainant May 3, 2022, 1:51:52 We definitely got Ginsburned* - Sounder May 3, 2022, 0:24:55 Seems Breyer is still fuming he was nudged out now too - CanHartlebHireSnider May 3, 2022, 0:08:24 Also Kennedy being forced out because of his son* - JeffFrank May 3, 2022, 1:13:48 cons are freaking out about the leak; great, great sign* - suburbanmyth May 2, 2022, 22:34:09 not sure if this will be enough but this seems like a huge political win for dems - suburbanmyth May 2, 2022, 22:55:33 Great night to be a Dem fundraiser. - Chuck Woodaby May 2, 2022, 22:59:53 There’s no such thing as an unborn baby. * - doubledown May 2, 2022, 23:18:06 Fetus is defined as unborn offspring or baby* - Potomac May 3, 2022, 6:50:45 Just add them to the list with pedophiles, antifa and CRT.* - Chuck Woodaby May 2, 2022, 23:28:04 Nobody has ever said those things don’t exist. They’re just not where Republicans say they are. - doubledown May 2, 2022, 23:38:55 First day reading the internet?* - Chuck Woodaby May 2, 2022, 23:47:20 Link? * - doubledown May 2, 2022, 23:49:29 because it’s better for some idiots in DC - memyselfandillini May 2, 2022, 23:04:00 Compelling. You should work for Planned Parenthood.* - Chuck Woodaby May 2, 2022, 23:07:41 I have a job making witty rejoinders! - memyselfandillini May 2, 2022, 23:10:02 Just trying to grasp at some pearls. It’ll probably be enough.* - Toonces May 2, 2022, 22:44:57 there is always the non-zero chance Justice Beers got cold feet - assassin May 2, 2022, 22:36:27 possibly; assuming we have Roberts, beers would be the one to crack - suburbanmyth May 2, 2022, 22:40:19 Yeah I read something recently (in the last week) that he desperately wants back into high society - CanHartlebHireSnider May 2, 2022, 22:59:26 I cannot believe the leak takes I am reading* - snipes824 May 2, 2022, 22:31:02 The Supreme Court should have a right to privacy, I guess.* - DT May 3, 2022, 6:35:11 They’re literally America’s stupidest people. * - doubledown May 2, 2022, 22:46:36 Do they appear anywhere near the internet?* - complainant May 2, 2022, 22:37:14 ooo - assassin May 2, 2022, 22:42:21 Lulz. I’ve dined with her on numerous occasions. - ATL May 3, 2022, 6:30:56 she is possibly the dumbest lawyer I’ve met in person* - suburbanmyth May 2, 2022, 23:00:21 It will never top the opponent in my one appeal. It will never get worse than that* - gvibes May 2, 2022, 23:28:37 and I’m excluding lawyers on guam* - suburbanmyth May 2, 2022, 23:36:29 But not even just the batshit crazy ones - snipes824 May 2, 2022, 22:52:33 Precedent doesn't matter, tho. Right?* - complainant May 2, 2022, 23:13:39 Re: ooo - biclops May 2, 2022, 22:51:49 My comment below stands* - assassin May 2, 2022, 22:54:36 So maybe not so unprecedented? - ATL May 2, 2022, 22:07:43 I expect the Dems to respond in some fashion any moment now.....* - Warrin'_Illini May 2, 2022, 22:01:27 just like they did when the GOP cornholed Merrick Garland? - memyselfandillini May 2, 2022, 22:26:25 WTF were they supposed to do? I can’t wait for your answer* - suburbanmyth May 2, 2022, 22:34:49 I know — It was just maddening is all. - memyselfandillini May 2, 2022, 23:05:52 Seat him when the Court went back in session in 2016* - JacobRDaugherty May 2, 2022, 22:39:02 Or hold a vote right now.* - complainant May 2, 2022, 22:40:12 I’d rather, especially considering this isn’t the actual ruling, for once in their lives - assassin May 2, 2022, 22:02:58 Fair enough; but unfortunately my expectations for any plan couldn't be lower.* - Warrin'_Illini May 2, 2022, 22:14:16 Same* - memyselfandillini May 2, 2022, 22:26:54 I’ve pretty much written off the dems as completely feckless* - Sounder May 2, 2022, 22:23:44 Of course not. I think Pelosi and Schumer just issued a statement anyway. * - assassin May 2, 2022, 22:16:09 I’m waiting for Susan Collins pearl clutching* - Sounder May 2, 2022, 22:18:45 Now will the fundies reward the GOP for this win on the one issue they care about, - doubledown May 2, 2022, 21:30:43 There’s always anti-gay, trans, and minority actions. - IlliniRunner May 2, 2022, 21:33:17 if roe is overturned abortion will automatically be illegal in 18 states - biclops May 2, 2022, 21:02:29 Wow. Best thing that could have happened for the DNC.* - Chuck Woodaby May 2, 2022, 20:59:44 lol like they’ll take advantage.* - ATL May 2, 2022, 21:00:43 JP Mandel is so screwed* - Sounder May 2, 2022, 21:19:49 Narrator voice* - Sounder May 2, 2022, 21:11:05 contraceptives and gay-marriage next? * - MC May 2, 2022, 20:54:55 Most likely affirmative action.* - nash May 2, 2022, 21:23:04 The decisions says no, and doesn't eliminate the right to privacy. - gvibes May 2, 2022, 21:09:24 That'd be great. A massive blue wave in the making.* - complainant May 2, 2022, 20:57:14 these freaks will need something else to do. * - assassin May 2, 2022, 20:56:40 theoretically, could there be a constitutional basis to banning abortion nationwide?* - reggiedunlop May 2, 2022, 20:49:05 welp, here is a WaPo article on a potential nationwide ban - reggiedunlop May 2, 2022, 21:26:56 They're making it up as they go along. Why not? - complainant May 2, 2022, 20:54:25 the draft reportedly not suggesting a ban; relegating decision to states - suburbanmyth May 2, 2022, 20:54:23 right, I just meant if it's not protected, it could possibly be banned - reggiedunlop May 2, 2022, 20:56:25 if it’s not protected, I think congress can ban most anything but that’s political suicide* - suburbanmyth May 2, 2022, 21:00:15 Probably need some superficial interstate commerce hook, but yeah* - gvibes May 2, 2022, 20:53:17 But conservatives are skeptical of commerce clause overreaching - DT May 2, 2022, 21:10:10 They don’t believe it* - IlliniRunner May 2, 2022, 21:16:01 Their voters 100% do. - DT May 2, 2022, 21:19:46 That has been clearly fake since at least Scalia's concurrence in Raich v Gonzales. - gvibes May 2, 2022, 21:13:58 Reminder that in 2016 the Green Party took enough votes to have comfortably elected Hilldawg. - ATL May 2, 2022, 20:44:55 Eff Nader in 2000 too* - JeffFrank May 2, 2022, 21:21:18 If Hillary had won among white women, she would have won the election - meanjeans May 2, 2022, 21:16:39 That white women, the majority of them support abortion rights, are terrible - ATL May 2, 2022, 21:30:16 Or the Dems could have not nominated the worst presidential candidate in the nation’s history * - IlliniRunner May 2, 2022, 21:03:15 She was highly qualified* - JeffFrank May 2, 2022, 21:25:59 When conservatives are willing to elect a guy like Trump to get what they want but liberals won’t - ATL May 2, 2022, 21:09:45 I guess my post should have started with “And” instead of “or”* - IlliniRunner May 2, 2022, 21:12:01 C‘mon, that’s such an idiotic statement* - Sounder May 2, 2022, 21:07:39 She ran an absolutely terrible campaign. The blame should absolutely lie with her - Toonces May 2, 2022, 21:10:57 tons of blame to go around. RBG should have retired; Hillary sucked; Dem voters were - memyselfandillini May 2, 2022, 22:20:40 I actually think it’s both. She was terrible. - IlliniRunner May 2, 2022, 21:13:34 If you lose to Donald Trump in that election, you’re the worst candidate in history - IlliniRunner May 2, 2022, 21:09:55 Nothing else happened completely outside of her control, right? - Sounder May 2, 2022, 21:13:03 Since when do candidates get to control all factors? It’s a sales job and she lost. - Toonces May 2, 2022, 21:21:12 Comey f***ed her* - memyselfandillini May 2, 2022, 22:22:20 A not terrible candidate could have handled it. But she didn’t - IlliniRunner May 2, 2022, 21:14:52 I don’t think those people were ever voting for her. She should have run a better campaign and - Toonces May 2, 2022, 20:51:21 yep and yep; Hillary’s trashing women for bill came back to haunt her * - suburbanmyth May 2, 2022, 20:55:15 She was an imperfect candidate but better than throwing away your vote - ATL May 2, 2022, 20:57:15 Jill Stein and Nader should answer for their stupidity * - memyselfandillini May 2, 2022, 22:23:25 Dotz - Sounder May 2, 2022, 22:30:47 hard to find a guy more arrogant than Maher but Naders a real gem* - memyselfandillini May 2, 2022, 23:08:31 Agree on RBG. Disagree on the vote. Both because plenty on the left decided Trump had no chance s - ATL May 2, 2022, 20:55:06 It's almost like Putin wanted to control American elections. - complainant May 2, 2022, 20:48:40 Just incredible the ugly residual impact from Trump 2016. Devastating* - UofIL6 May 2, 2022, 20:45:58 wow. Canada looks better and better every day* - eta May 2, 2022, 20:41:06 lol.* - Ari Gold May 2, 2022, 21:02:45 And the contrarians saying that Dems were overreacting were wrong for the 1000th time* - reggiedunlop May 2, 2022, 20:32:41 being eyeore almost always means you’ll be right eventually…. - suburbanmyth May 2, 2022, 20:35:55 I hope that is not true* - Tooldresser May 2, 2022, 20:32:20 My guess is abortions were next to impossible to get in your typical red state shithole anyway.* - Toonces May 2, 2022, 20:24:12 In clinics yeah, but pills via mail still an option. * - assassin May 2, 2022, 20:25:39 Hopefully there will be ways around that.* - Toonces May 2, 2022, 20:26:31 Every institution in this country is crumbling. Every single one. This leak is absolutely huge and - John Coctostan May 2, 2022, 20:17:58 And that’s as the GOP wants it* - IlliniRunner May 2, 2022, 21:05:04 The leak is pretty much unprecedented. - Chicago1995 May 2, 2022, 20:36:53 kinda hard to muster even a whiff of a shit about the leak part of all of this. * - assassin May 2, 2022, 20:41:52 I don’t disagree, but the leak, long term, is a big problem for the credibility of the cour - Chicago1995 May 2, 2022, 21:34:42 Can you elaborate on the credibility argument? I don’t see the impact there. - DT May 3, 2022, 6:19:01 Agree with this and what I was getting at above* - John Coctostan May 3, 2022, 6:14:24 The decision itself already takes care of the court credibility issue* - Sounder May 2, 2022, 21:38:46 get used to it. “worse than Jan 6” per certain corners of Twitter * - biclops May 2, 2022, 20:45:28 hopefully those people die in their sleep tonight. * - assassin May 2, 2022, 20:48:02 yep but none of these religious zealots care* - suburbanmyth May 2, 2022, 20:29:09 What a dumb country* - illini21 May 2, 2022, 20:10:05 It’s only gettin worse baby. * - assassin May 2, 2022, 20:12:14 wow, have draft opinions ever been leaked to the press before?* - gvibes May 2, 2022, 20:08:08 of course not. just like the filibuster.* - Ari Gold May 2, 2022, 20:12:44 what do you expect when you make a mockery of the process* - suburbanmyth May 2, 2022, 20:14:10 i was thinking the same thing; love that an extremely radical supreme court has... - suburbanmyth May 2, 2022, 20:12:14 I see my thought was a not new one. Politico thinks this is the first - gvibes May 2, 2022, 20:13:48 I find that particularly disgusting. - SurfTheBoneyard May 2, 2022, 21:29:33 How many women will opt against getting pregnant because they have a high probability for complicati - complainant May 2, 2022, 20:05:47 lol Susan Collins. * - assassin May 2, 2022, 20:03:08 lol pitchbot. - assassin May 2, 2022, 20:09:25 ####ing #### #### stick ####ing #### #### rod ####ing #### ####* - bbonb May 2, 2022, 20:01:53 Expand the court.* - Toonces May 2, 2022, 20:00:22 Run in November on the issue of codifying it* - JeffFrank May 2, 2022, 20:01:04 And ending the filibuster?* - complainant May 2, 2022, 20:03:32 sure; court packing polls the worst* - suburbanmyth May 2, 2022, 20:55:51 End lifetime terms for the supreme court* - GrandmotherPearlsJam May 2, 2022, 19:59:04 This is a lifeline to save the Democratic majority in November* - JeffFrank May 2, 2022, 20:01:39 won’t move the needle. * - assassin May 2, 2022, 20:05:19 probably not but a nice wildcard to pick up in a hand where we had nothing* - suburbanmyth May 2, 2022, 20:11:10 Clyburn still gonna fly to Texas and campaign for Cuellar? * - assassin May 2, 2022, 20:16:30   Searching