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That is not true and an incorrect and tired critique*
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Posted by oskeewowza
on June 2, 2022, 14:39:55, in reply to "
New Urbanism is the old urbanism
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or, a veneer to put on the newest Cheesecake Factory, either one.
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longsnapper
June 2, 2022, 11:00:02
Yeah #### big cities. They suck. Sorry *
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PapaDels
June 3, 2022, 23:41:12
ooo.
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longsnapper
June 4, 2022, 6:55:49
this tax information is interesting*
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reggiedunlop
June 3, 2022, 16:42:16
Center for Neighborhood Technology's H+T Index
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oskeewowza
June 2, 2022, 14:24:31
our Historic Preservation Ordinance requires anything 50 years + in age to be reviewed
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ijustkrushalot
June 2, 2022, 14:26:26
Yep. Funny, right? *M*odernism is facing a reckoning*
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oskeewowza
June 2, 2022, 14:29:09
there are some rare exceptions... I do think we have some SF neighborhoods that are decent enough
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ijustkrushalot
June 2, 2022, 14:31:53
IMO I would consider myself lucky to be in an historic district
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oskeewowza
June 2, 2022, 14:36:01
Our local historic districts are parochial in nature and poorer neighborhoods
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ijustkrushalot
June 2, 2022, 14:54:41
my old building was a historic apartment building on a historic boulevard.
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longsnapper
June 3, 2022, 8:52:18
i'm in one. it's pretty awesome*
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VIV
June 2, 2022, 14:41:01
I live in an older neighborhood and love it, it's not a regulated district though
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ijustkrushalot
June 2, 2022, 14:55:20
...but we unlocked ADUs and we're starting to get guys going into neighborhoods
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ijustkrushalot
June 2, 2022, 14:34:19
This...even our very very plain post WW2 tract housing that is 95% of my neighborhood...
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haighter
June 2, 2022, 14:29:00
man I wish I didn't actually have to work today because this is all basically my world. *
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ijustkrushalot
June 2, 2022, 13:43:16
dude it's thursday. Basically the weekend.*
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longsnapper
June 2, 2022, 13:46:42
Do you generally agree with his thesis?*
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Sounder
June 2, 2022, 13:45:52
I haven't watched the videos but I generally subscribe to Strong Towns, although they get a bit much
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ijustkrushalot
June 2, 2022, 14:20:46
Can't wait*
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reggiedunlop
June 2, 2022, 13:35:48
I've watched the first two episodes you linked.
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illini
June 2, 2022, 13:19:04
what he's describing is "new urbanism", which has been a development trend
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Sounder
June 2, 2022, 13:20:29
New Urbanism is the old urbanism
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ijustkrushalot
June 2, 2022, 13:43:52
That is not true and an incorrect and tired critique*
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oskeewowza
June 2, 2022, 14:39:55
Oh I know and we've been around this a few times
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ijustkrushalot
June 2, 2022, 14:56:57
OK, I'm trying to work through this
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Sounder
June 2, 2022, 12:14:00
Absolutely not.*
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complainant
June 2, 2022, 14:08:06
I'm somewhere in the middle in terms of personal preference
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GrandmotherPearlsJam
June 2, 2022, 13:00:18
What I like about Seattle is that I have a single family home in a dense neighborhood
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Sounder
June 2, 2022, 13:06:16
that’s the move we just made.
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Chilango
June 3, 2022, 8:49:51
I have no problem with density. A lot of people in the area are vocal about not wanting apartments
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GrandmotherPearlsJam
June 2, 2022, 13:20:42
apartments are necessary for cities. I used to hate them, but I have really come around
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longsnapper
June 2, 2022, 13:23:56
high ceilings, sufficient windows, soundproof materials - these things make great apartments
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complainant
June 2, 2022, 14:40:49
a lot of started as "only poor or prostitutes woul duse apartments" and there's many
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longsnapper
June 3, 2022, 8:47:02
I think that single floor retail is pretty much a requirement in new Seattle apartments*
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Sounder
June 2, 2022, 13:21:58
Charlotte is way behind on this. It's getting better closer to the city, but to the point of this
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GrandmotherPearlsJam
June 2, 2022, 13:29:49
I seriously don't mean this to sound disparaging
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Sounder
June 2, 2022, 13:31:24
It's not. It wants to be. And could maybe get there. But they are going about it wrong.*
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GrandmotherPearlsJam
June 2, 2022, 13:34:40
I've been giving a lot of thought to NC/SC as a potential retirement locale*
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Sounder
June 2, 2022, 13:41:09
A lot of great places on the coast. Charlotte and Raleigh are on the come up.
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GrandmotherPearlsJam
June 2, 2022, 13:55:37
all of those things you described are what appeals to me*
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Sounder
June 2, 2022, 13:57:31
Whaaaaat? *
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haighter
June 2, 2022, 13:42:46
The West Coast is too damn expensive*
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Sounder
June 2, 2022, 13:43:19
Yea...but you're gonna wanna move to Charleston and to find a place...
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haighter
June 2, 2022, 13:53:31
honestly, I don't want any of that
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Sounder
June 2, 2022, 13:54:11
The problem with "beach" + "middle of nowhere" in NC/SC is that in NC
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GrandmotherPearlsJam
June 2, 2022, 13:59:37
I don't mind tourist destination as long as it's not too crazy*
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Sounder
June 2, 2022, 14:01:12
Northern Corolla would work. Up in the 4x4 area. Pretty remote, not many people vacationing up there
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GrandmotherPearlsJam
June 2, 2022, 14:13:01
well now we need the list of real cities*
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longsnapper
June 2, 2022, 13:32:26
Top of mind my list is pretty short, and not in any way meant to be disparaging
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Sounder
June 2, 2022, 13:40:33
That's a good list, I would chop it up a little
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bigbop85
June 2, 2022, 14:41:40
Portland belongs on second tier, not lower*
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cpsteine
June 2, 2022, 16:19:28
No wonder I love cities…..all three cities where I’ve lived are listed*
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TarheelIllini
June 2, 2022, 14:39:12
LA is interesting because Red Car system. Their early mass transit was great
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longsnapper
June 2, 2022, 13:44:38
there are 28 cities in LA county, that blows my mind
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Sounder
June 2, 2022, 13:46:45
New York, Boston, Rantoul ... *
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illini
June 2, 2022, 13:34:34
Rantucky *
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haighter
June 2, 2022, 14:07:59
And contributes to the housing crisis in Seattle
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bigbop85
June 2, 2022, 13:12:25
Sounder voted for a densification measure
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IlliniRunner
June 2, 2022, 13:14:48
Of course. But it's because suburbs & most cities have been designed around cars
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longsnapper
June 2, 2022, 12:44:51
Also, this asshole lives in Brainerd*
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Sounder
June 2, 2022, 12:18:27
unless Brainerd is a neighborhood in Amsterdam, you are wrong*
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longsnapper
June 2, 2022, 12:54:37
Minnesota?! Lol.*
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cpsteine
June 2, 2022, 12:52:20
It's like how some people like wearing shoes when they run. *
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doubledown
June 2, 2022, 12:18:17
Do you have an opinion on Edge Cities?*
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Sounder
June 2, 2022, 12:03:40
not especially concernee about titles, but about design*
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longsnapper
June 2, 2022, 13:05:48
But the definiion of an edge city basically covers what you are looking for in design*
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Sounder
June 2, 2022, 13:11:17
you have to really control the build-up, or they can explode without warning
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Sammich
June 2, 2022, 12:59:11
I lived in Walnut Creek, it was glorious*
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Sounder
June 2, 2022, 13:01:31
I think that's the first time that sentence has ever been written. *
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haighter
June 2, 2022, 13:04:18
You are wrong, people love that place
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Sounder
June 2, 2022, 13:09:32
I know...I'm just busting balls...
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haighter
June 2, 2022, 13:14:19
fun fact: the reason the BART system was built is because of Walnut Creek
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Sounder
June 2, 2022, 13:17:50
I just remember the first time driving out to their house...I just felt like...
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haighter
June 2, 2022, 13:20:40
o0o
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haighter
June 2, 2022, 13:17:06
Haters gonna hate*
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HamptonSki
June 2, 2022, 11:26:36
These will either be very interesting or completely insufferable
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Sounder
June 2, 2022, 11:24:38
Can't guys like this just pick a place to live that they enjoy and shut the #### up about it?
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doubledown
June 2, 2022, 11:17:14
yeah, people should just throw their hands up and not try to improve anything*
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longsnapper
June 2, 2022, 12:49:14
"Other people's preferences are fundamentally broken" isn't a great starting point. *
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doubledown
June 2, 2022, 13:01:54
this has little to do with other people's preference, and a lot to do with the design of towns*
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longsnapper
June 2, 2022, 13:08:22
Design that is based on ... *
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doubledown
June 2, 2022, 13:16:17
the automobile and an unsustainable growth model*
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longsnapper
June 2, 2022, 13:17:55
Yeah, you and the YouTube guy keep saying it's unsustainable, but there isn't exactly a mountain of
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doubledown
June 2, 2022, 13:22:52
It's like Tesla. Easy to keep growing if the federal government is subsidizing your growth*
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longsnapper
June 2, 2022, 13:30:18
maybe you say that in your OP instead of just "#### the suburbs"
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IlliniSax05
June 2, 2022, 12:56:12
I could have, but then I wouldn't have gotten my point across.*
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longsnapper
June 2, 2022, 12:57:12
sure you would have. it just wouldn't have been so assholish and judgmental
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IlliniSax05
June 2, 2022, 12:58:32
this is directed at the physical suburbs themselves, not the people living there*
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longsnapper
June 2, 2022, 13:11:54
Have you considered how much affordability weighs into this
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Sounder
June 2, 2022, 13:12:48
sure. but it doesn't change my views at all.*
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longsnapper
June 2, 2022, 13:17:19
Do you have a solution, or do you just want to be holier than thou?*
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Sounder
June 2, 2022, 13:21:00
A solution to home prices? Sure, build more medium density housing and improve public trans.
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longsnapper
June 2, 2022, 13:22:28
Do you understand that if you tax the cars entering the city
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Sounder
June 2, 2022, 13:41:54
I don't believe you, but it is an experiment I'd be willing to test out*
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longsnapper
June 2, 2022, 13:45:56
Especially in a place like Chicago, if you make people feel unwelcome
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Sounder
June 2, 2022, 13:47:58
I think you are ignoring the public transportation aspect of my improvement*
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longsnapper
June 2, 2022, 13:49:41
Look, I live somewhere that is genuinely trying to improve their public transit
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Sounder
June 2, 2022, 13:56:00
Cost of staying on the path we're on is even costlier. I understand that improvement comes
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longsnapper
June 2, 2022, 14:00:51
welcome to the deuce, Holly*
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Gene Parmesan
June 2, 2022, 12:15:38
So you didn't watch?*
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longsnapper
June 2, 2022, 11:41:16
I got about 4 minutes in, then decided I didn't really care what he had to say. *
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doubledown
June 2, 2022, 12:01:50
I'm really trying to get through this, but it's insufferable*
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Sounder
June 2, 2022, 12:07:05
Cool, them your previous comment is somewhat meaningless, no?*
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longsnapper
June 2, 2022, 12:02:51
No. *
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doubledown
June 2, 2022, 12:16:46
Or maybe admit the suburbs are really appealing to parents?
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bigbop85
June 2, 2022, 11:29:38
I haven't watched yet...but would think that "Netherlands Style Cities" would likely be more...
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haighter
June 2, 2022, 11:49:41
Does being a "Netherlands style" city include not having "Chicago style" public schools?
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IlliniOllie
June 2, 2022, 13:11:50
I mean...there's less school aged Children in San Francisco than any other city...
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haighter
June 2, 2022, 14:50:13
we don't have any of those, unfortunately. and don't tick off SF or CHI as 'like that.' they're not*
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cpsteine
June 2, 2022, 12:54:01
It's also noteworthy that the Netherlands is flat AF*
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Sounder
June 2, 2022, 13:02:15
So are their women*
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HamptonSki
June 2, 2022, 13:04:30
Fluggaenkoechiebolsen!*
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ISeeDeadHawkeyes
June 2, 2022, 13:10:37
Like what you like and live your life
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Sounder
June 2, 2022, 11:26:04
ja. I'm guilty of judging people on where they live. It's dumb; I have tried to curb doing it*
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cpsteine
June 2, 2022, 11:19:36
Unless it's Peoria, then it's completely justified*
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Sounder
June 2, 2022, 14:04:47
samesies*
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ArtVandelay
June 2, 2022, 12:55:08
To be fair, you live somewhere pretty awesome*
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ISeeDeadHawkeyes
June 2, 2022, 12:06:44
ooo
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IlliniSax05
June 2, 2022, 11:18:27
I'm gonna need to watch these later. Thanks for sharing*
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KingTalkyTiki
June 2, 2022, 11:03:19
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