That is not true and an incorrect and tired critique* Archived Message Posted by oskeewowza on June 2, 2022, 14:39:55, in reply to "New Urbanism is the old urbanism" Previous Message or, a veneer to put on the newest Cheesecake Factory, either one. Message Thread: | This response ↓ Posted without comment: - longsnapper June 2, 2022, 11:00:02 Yeah #### big cities. They suck. Sorry * - PapaDels June 3, 2022, 23:41:12 ooo. - longsnapper June 4, 2022, 6:55:49 this tax information is interesting* - reggiedunlop June 3, 2022, 16:42:16 Center for Neighborhood Technology's H+T Index - oskeewowza June 2, 2022, 14:24:31 our Historic Preservation Ordinance requires anything 50 years + in age to be reviewed - ijustkrushalot June 2, 2022, 14:26:26 Yep. Funny, right? *M*odernism is facing a reckoning* - oskeewowza June 2, 2022, 14:29:09 there are some rare exceptions... I do think we have some SF neighborhoods that are decent enough - ijustkrushalot June 2, 2022, 14:31:53 IMO I would consider myself lucky to be in an historic district - oskeewowza June 2, 2022, 14:36:01 Our local historic districts are parochial in nature and poorer neighborhoods - ijustkrushalot June 2, 2022, 14:54:41 my old building was a historic apartment building on a historic boulevard. - longsnapper June 3, 2022, 8:52:18 i'm in one. it's pretty awesome* - VIV June 2, 2022, 14:41:01 I live in an older neighborhood and love it, it's not a regulated district though - ijustkrushalot June 2, 2022, 14:55:20 ...but we unlocked ADUs and we're starting to get guys going into neighborhoods - ijustkrushalot June 2, 2022, 14:34:19 This...even our very very plain post WW2 tract housing that is 95% of my neighborhood... - haighter June 2, 2022, 14:29:00 man I wish I didn't actually have to work today because this is all basically my world. * - ijustkrushalot June 2, 2022, 13:43:16 dude it's thursday. Basically the weekend.* - longsnapper June 2, 2022, 13:46:42 Do you generally agree with his thesis?* - Sounder June 2, 2022, 13:45:52 I haven't watched the videos but I generally subscribe to Strong Towns, although they get a bit much - ijustkrushalot June 2, 2022, 14:20:46 Can't wait* - reggiedunlop June 2, 2022, 13:35:48 I've watched the first two episodes you linked. - illini June 2, 2022, 13:19:04 what he's describing is "new urbanism", which has been a development trend - Sounder June 2, 2022, 13:20:29 New Urbanism is the old urbanism - ijustkrushalot June 2, 2022, 13:43:52 That is not true and an incorrect and tired critique* - oskeewowza June 2, 2022, 14:39:55 Oh I know and we've been around this a few times - ijustkrushalot June 2, 2022, 14:56:57 OK, I'm trying to work through this - Sounder June 2, 2022, 12:14:00 Absolutely not.* - complainant June 2, 2022, 14:08:06 I'm somewhere in the middle in terms of personal preference - GrandmotherPearlsJam June 2, 2022, 13:00:18 What I like about Seattle is that I have a single family home in a dense neighborhood - Sounder June 2, 2022, 13:06:16 that’s the move we just made. - Chilango June 3, 2022, 8:49:51 I have no problem with density. A lot of people in the area are vocal about not wanting apartments - GrandmotherPearlsJam June 2, 2022, 13:20:42 apartments are necessary for cities. I used to hate them, but I have really come around - longsnapper June 2, 2022, 13:23:56 high ceilings, sufficient windows, soundproof materials - these things make great apartments - complainant June 2, 2022, 14:40:49 a lot of started as "only poor or prostitutes woul duse apartments" and there's many - longsnapper June 3, 2022, 8:47:02 I think that single floor retail is pretty much a requirement in new Seattle apartments* - Sounder June 2, 2022, 13:21:58 Charlotte is way behind on this. It's getting better closer to the city, but to the point of this - GrandmotherPearlsJam June 2, 2022, 13:29:49 I seriously don't mean this to sound disparaging - Sounder June 2, 2022, 13:31:24 It's not. It wants to be. And could maybe get there. But they are going about it wrong.* - GrandmotherPearlsJam June 2, 2022, 13:34:40 I've been giving a lot of thought to NC/SC as a potential retirement locale* - Sounder June 2, 2022, 13:41:09 A lot of great places on the coast. Charlotte and Raleigh are on the come up. - GrandmotherPearlsJam June 2, 2022, 13:55:37 all of those things you described are what appeals to me* - Sounder June 2, 2022, 13:57:31 Whaaaaat? * - haighter June 2, 2022, 13:42:46 The West Coast is too damn expensive* - Sounder June 2, 2022, 13:43:19 Yea...but you're gonna wanna move to Charleston and to find a place... - haighter June 2, 2022, 13:53:31 honestly, I don't want any of that - Sounder June 2, 2022, 13:54:11 The problem with "beach" + "middle of nowhere" in NC/SC is that in NC - GrandmotherPearlsJam June 2, 2022, 13:59:37 I don't mind tourist destination as long as it's not too crazy* - Sounder June 2, 2022, 14:01:12 Northern Corolla would work. Up in the 4x4 area. Pretty remote, not many people vacationing up there - GrandmotherPearlsJam June 2, 2022, 14:13:01 well now we need the list of real cities* - longsnapper June 2, 2022, 13:32:26 Top of mind my list is pretty short, and not in any way meant to be disparaging - Sounder June 2, 2022, 13:40:33 That's a good list, I would chop it up a little - bigbop85 June 2, 2022, 14:41:40 Portland belongs on second tier, not lower* - cpsteine June 2, 2022, 16:19:28 No wonder I love cities…..all three cities where I’ve lived are listed* - TarheelIllini June 2, 2022, 14:39:12 LA is interesting because Red Car system. Their early mass transit was great - longsnapper June 2, 2022, 13:44:38 there are 28 cities in LA county, that blows my mind - Sounder June 2, 2022, 13:46:45 New York, Boston, Rantoul ... * - illini June 2, 2022, 13:34:34 Rantucky * - haighter June 2, 2022, 14:07:59 And contributes to the housing crisis in Seattle - bigbop85 June 2, 2022, 13:12:25 Sounder voted for a densification measure - IlliniRunner June 2, 2022, 13:14:48 Of course. But it's because suburbs & most cities have been designed around cars - longsnapper June 2, 2022, 12:44:51 Also, this asshole lives in Brainerd* - Sounder June 2, 2022, 12:18:27 unless Brainerd is a neighborhood in Amsterdam, you are wrong* - longsnapper June 2, 2022, 12:54:37 Minnesota?! Lol.* - cpsteine June 2, 2022, 12:52:20 It's like how some people like wearing shoes when they run. * - doubledown June 2, 2022, 12:18:17 Do you have an opinion on Edge Cities?* - Sounder June 2, 2022, 12:03:40 not especially concernee about titles, but about design* - longsnapper June 2, 2022, 13:05:48 But the definiion of an edge city basically covers what you are looking for in design* - Sounder June 2, 2022, 13:11:17 you have to really control the build-up, or they can explode without warning - Sammich June 2, 2022, 12:59:11 I lived in Walnut Creek, it was glorious* - Sounder June 2, 2022, 13:01:31 I think that's the first time that sentence has ever been written. * - haighter June 2, 2022, 13:04:18 You are wrong, people love that place - Sounder June 2, 2022, 13:09:32 I know...I'm just busting balls... - haighter June 2, 2022, 13:14:19 fun fact: the reason the BART system was built is because of Walnut Creek - Sounder June 2, 2022, 13:17:50 I just remember the first time driving out to their house...I just felt like... - haighter June 2, 2022, 13:20:40 o0o - haighter June 2, 2022, 13:17:06 Haters gonna hate* - HamptonSki June 2, 2022, 11:26:36 These will either be very interesting or completely insufferable - Sounder June 2, 2022, 11:24:38 Can't guys like this just pick a place to live that they enjoy and shut the #### up about it? - doubledown June 2, 2022, 11:17:14 yeah, people should just throw their hands up and not try to improve anything* - longsnapper June 2, 2022, 12:49:14 "Other people's preferences are fundamentally broken" isn't a great starting point. * - doubledown June 2, 2022, 13:01:54 this has little to do with other people's preference, and a lot to do with the design of towns* - longsnapper June 2, 2022, 13:08:22 Design that is based on ... * - doubledown June 2, 2022, 13:16:17 the automobile and an unsustainable growth model* - longsnapper June 2, 2022, 13:17:55 Yeah, you and the YouTube guy keep saying it's unsustainable, but there isn't exactly a mountain of - doubledown June 2, 2022, 13:22:52 It's like Tesla. Easy to keep growing if the federal government is subsidizing your growth* - longsnapper June 2, 2022, 13:30:18 maybe you say that in your OP instead of just "#### the suburbs" - IlliniSax05 June 2, 2022, 12:56:12 I could have, but then I wouldn't have gotten my point across.* - longsnapper June 2, 2022, 12:57:12 sure you would have. it just wouldn't have been so assholish and judgmental - IlliniSax05 June 2, 2022, 12:58:32 this is directed at the physical suburbs themselves, not the people living there* - longsnapper June 2, 2022, 13:11:54 Have you considered how much affordability weighs into this - Sounder June 2, 2022, 13:12:48 sure. but it doesn't change my views at all.* - longsnapper June 2, 2022, 13:17:19 Do you have a solution, or do you just want to be holier than thou?* - Sounder June 2, 2022, 13:21:00 A solution to home prices? Sure, build more medium density housing and improve public trans. - longsnapper June 2, 2022, 13:22:28 Do you understand that if you tax the cars entering the city - Sounder June 2, 2022, 13:41:54 I don't believe you, but it is an experiment I'd be willing to test out* - longsnapper June 2, 2022, 13:45:56 Especially in a place like Chicago, if you make people feel unwelcome - Sounder June 2, 2022, 13:47:58 I think you are ignoring the public transportation aspect of my improvement* - longsnapper June 2, 2022, 13:49:41 Look, I live somewhere that is genuinely trying to improve their public transit - Sounder June 2, 2022, 13:56:00 Cost of staying on the path we're on is even costlier. I understand that improvement comes - longsnapper June 2, 2022, 14:00:51 welcome to the deuce, Holly* - Gene Parmesan June 2, 2022, 12:15:38 So you didn't watch?* - longsnapper June 2, 2022, 11:41:16 I got about 4 minutes in, then decided I didn't really care what he had to say. * - doubledown June 2, 2022, 12:01:50 I'm really trying to get through this, but it's insufferable* - Sounder June 2, 2022, 12:07:05 Cool, them your previous comment is somewhat meaningless, no?* - longsnapper June 2, 2022, 12:02:51 No. * - doubledown June 2, 2022, 12:16:46 Or maybe admit the suburbs are really appealing to parents? - bigbop85 June 2, 2022, 11:29:38 I haven't watched yet...but would think that "Netherlands Style Cities" would likely be more... - haighter June 2, 2022, 11:49:41 Does being a "Netherlands style" city include not having "Chicago style" public schools? - IlliniOllie June 2, 2022, 13:11:50 I mean...there's less school aged Children in San Francisco than any other city... - haighter June 2, 2022, 14:50:13 we don't have any of those, unfortunately. and don't tick off SF or CHI as 'like that.' they're not* - cpsteine June 2, 2022, 12:54:01 It's also noteworthy that the Netherlands is flat AF* - Sounder June 2, 2022, 13:02:15 So are their women* - HamptonSki June 2, 2022, 13:04:30 Fluggaenkoechiebolsen!* - ISeeDeadHawkeyes June 2, 2022, 13:10:37 Like what you like and live your life - Sounder June 2, 2022, 11:26:04 ja. I'm guilty of judging people on where they live. It's dumb; I have tried to curb doing it* - cpsteine June 2, 2022, 11:19:36 Unless it's Peoria, then it's completely justified* - Sounder June 2, 2022, 14:04:47 samesies* - ArtVandelay June 2, 2022, 12:55:08 To be fair, you live somewhere pretty awesome* - ISeeDeadHawkeyes June 2, 2022, 12:06:44 ooo - IlliniSax05 June 2, 2022, 11:18:27 I'm gonna need to watch these later. Thanks for sharing* - KingTalkyTiki June 2, 2022, 11:03:19   Searching