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Can you send out a pen, I've got to sign the receipt....
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Posted by osklister
on June 7, 2022, 8:14:44, in reply to "
how about this?
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Snapper's Urban design idea of the day: no drive thrus in urban areas.
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longsnapper
June 7, 2022, 7:04:43
Snapper on a first date
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Sounder
June 7, 2022, 13:36:19
####ing hate how car centric the US is*
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ECEIllinois
June 7, 2022, 12:35:11
Chapel Hill doesn't allow drive throughs*
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opey8
June 7, 2022, 9:43:21
What are the boundaries for them?
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TarheelIllini
June 7, 2022, 12:05:06
Neither does San Luis Obispo. *
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haighter
June 7, 2022, 9:47:45
because that place is magical*
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longsnapper
June 7, 2022, 9:48:58
sdie jack: I made Santa Maria style tri tip last night
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Sounder
June 7, 2022, 12:00:21
No reason? Isn't difficulty of parking a pretty good reason?*
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Sounder
June 7, 2022, 9:36:53
you are *this* close... the idea is that urban areas stop catering to cars, and focus on
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longsnapper
June 7, 2022, 9:39:10
For the tenth time, we are a car dependent society
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Sounder
June 7, 2022, 11:38:41
yeah, the people in the netherlands are ####ing miserable*
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longsnapper
June 7, 2022, 11:41:04
You act as if you can just magically snap your fingers and make the US like Holland
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Sounder
June 7, 2022, 11:43:59
Does Sounder think Holland = Netherlands?*
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complainant
June 7, 2022, 12:38:42
Holland is a subregion of the Netherlands
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Sounder
June 7, 2022, 12:46:03
I'll get over it. Let's return to discussing how you think everyone is like you.
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complainant
June 7, 2022, 13:02:14
Are you looking for me to defend Millennials here?*
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Sounder
June 7, 2022, 13:46:06
Millennials are definitely known as the generation to not care about the environment.*
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longsnapper
June 7, 2022, 13:48:01
I'm not saying Millennials don't care about the environment
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Sounder
June 7, 2022, 13:54:33
Directed more at compy than at you. This isn't a good argument though. It can't be
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longsnapper
June 7, 2022, 13:58:57
I mostly hate the term virtue signalling, but millennials do a metric ton of it
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Sounder
June 7, 2022, 14:02:23
Not as horrible as driving a car each way to work, I'm sure. Being environmentally conscious
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longsnapper
June 7, 2022, 14:15:16
it's almost like I knew your counter. They enacted 40 years of public policy change
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longsnapper
June 7, 2022, 11:45:06
Using what legal approach?
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uofi1998
June 7, 2022, 13:26:23
I don't understand the question. I want people to vote for public policies
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longsnapper
June 7, 2022, 13:32:54
How are local govts. going to force policy change to reverse nearly 100 years of urban sprawl...
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uofi1998
June 7, 2022, 13:44:50
I don't see it that way at all. Why would people be forced from their properties?*
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longsnapper
June 7, 2022, 13:48:56
I'm completely fine with that, but it won't change anything in my lifetime*
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Sounder
June 7, 2022, 11:47:18
Also, I choose to live in a city that is trying to do the things you want to see
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Sounder
June 7, 2022, 11:48:43
Because it is full of half measures*
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longsnapper
June 7, 2022, 11:50:08
half measures that have cost billiions and are billions over budget
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Sounder
June 7, 2022, 11:55:16
It's like trying to lose weight and going to the gym and trying hard but not changing your diet.
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longsnapper
June 7, 2022, 12:17:20
So what is your realistic solution?*
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Sounder
June 7, 2022, 12:20:09
I can't speak to Seattle specifically, but generally:
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longsnapper
June 7, 2022, 12:28:06
Seattle is literally doing some version of all of those things
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Sounder
June 7, 2022, 12:54:27
it's telling that some of those "comments" on quora says "shows promise" "good idea" etc.
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longsnapper
June 7, 2022, 12:59:22
Believe me, everyone in Seattle wants to live in your utopian vision
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Sounder
June 7, 2022, 13:29:29
You don't want to hear this, but support of public transportation also means utilizing it.
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longsnapper
June 7, 2022, 13:36:07
I literally laughed out loud at the idea that taking Seattle public transit
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Sounder
June 7, 2022, 13:41:20
An adult fare on King County metro is $2.75. And that credits to the Link light rail fare ($2.50)
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IlliniRunner
June 7, 2022, 13:48:35
$11 to take transit vs. $15 to drive and park isn't a difficult decision*
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Sounder
June 7, 2022, 14:09:33
$5 for a Zpack and penicillin*
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longsnapper
June 7, 2022, 13:49:40
Build housing, build housing, build housing as well*
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reggiedunlop
June 7, 2022, 12:44:46
and your point?*
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longsnapper
June 7, 2022, 11:48:09
my point that it's too little too late*
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Sounder
June 7, 2022, 11:49:00
....for you*
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IlliniRunner
June 7, 2022, 12:51:46
this is the solipsism that needs to be overcome, yes
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Sammich
June 7, 2022, 11:56:55
Again, I voted for all of the projects that I am currently complaining about
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Sounder
June 7, 2022, 12:01:21
that's good
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Sammich
June 7, 2022, 12:05:50
There are several problems with the Seattle Transit sytem
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Sounder
June 7, 2022, 12:09:20
I remember it being a subplot in "Singles"*
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Sammich
June 7, 2022, 12:15:11
Exactly. That was 30 years ago.
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Sounder
June 7, 2022, 12:19:26
you also said that you COULD use light rail, but don't*
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longsnapper
June 7, 2022, 12:04:19
I've used it a few times.
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Sounder
June 7, 2022, 12:06:25
I fundamentally disagree with that. Well, the too late part. It is definitely too little*
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longsnapper
June 7, 2022, 11:50:24
Here's a sampling of what people think of light rail in Seattle
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Sounder
June 7, 2022, 11:54:13
Frequency is the key. I'm glad you identified that as a problem.*
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complainant
June 7, 2022, 14:21:48
Also I take the bigbop position on policing the riders.
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complainant
June 7, 2022, 14:24:11
And you do realize that any comment forum (whether online or a public comment)
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IlliniRunner
June 7, 2022, 12:53:29
For sure, but it doesn't make it less funny or less true*
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Sounder
June 7, 2022, 12:55:02
it shakes a lot?*
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IlliniRunner
June 7, 2022, 12:52:23
You have to admit Wallingford got f*cked hard in the light rail plan
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Sounder
June 7, 2022, 12:55:57
It shakes a lot? Wallingford did get fucked, I will admit. On a personal level
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IlliniRunner
June 7, 2022, 13:01:23
Yeah, in addition to the light rail not serving us
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Sounder
June 7, 2022, 13:30:37
Amsterdam in 1970:
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longsnapper
June 7, 2022, 11:43:43
Great, they have a 50 year start on us to fix the problem
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Sounder
June 7, 2022, 11:46:48
becuase it is designed around cars.... instead of elevating a train, just place light rail
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longsnapper
June 7, 2022, 11:49:36
Seattle built a tunnel and a light rail
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Sounder
June 7, 2022, 11:51:28
that tunnel was a terrible idea*
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longsnapper
June 7, 2022, 11:55:09
Agree to disagree
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Sounder
June 7, 2022, 11:56:08
remember when the world's largest bore (not you, hey yo!) got stuck and they had to
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longsnapper
June 7, 2022, 11:57:28
The expense was acknowledged and expected
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Sounder
June 7, 2022, 11:59:06
Before the pandemic struck the new light rail segment was getting more use than expected
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IlliniRunner
June 7, 2022, 13:00:45
again, maybe they need to be better designed. It's not the light rail, it's the implementation*
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longsnapper
June 7, 2022, 12:01:56
They aren't failing because they are incompetent
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Sounder
June 7, 2022, 12:09:59
It's mostly the uncomfortable wooden shoes.
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KingTalkyTiki
June 7, 2022, 11:42:28
My moonshot design idea: Make underneath the EL a covered bikeway everywhere*
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Chilango
June 7, 2022, 9:31:09
that would concentrate public transit along the same lines. Would rather have boulevards turn to
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longsnapper
June 7, 2022, 9:42:55
I think that makes more sense.
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Chilango
June 7, 2022, 12:14:01
ooo
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bigbop85
June 7, 2022, 9:39:54
my moonshot idea- shutter the EL.
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VIV
June 7, 2022, 9:36:38
Yeah, that's a MARS shot.
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Chilango
June 7, 2022, 12:14:30
the El is good. Just need light rail or real dedicated bus lanes to connect as a circle line.*
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longsnapper
June 7, 2022, 9:41:57
Just have buses stop less often and always stop after a light/stop sign
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bigbop85
June 7, 2022, 9:44:17
100% agree with the less stops and location.*
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longsnapper
June 7, 2022, 9:47:38
ooo
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VIV
June 7, 2022, 9:49:34
ooo
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longsnapper
June 7, 2022, 9:52:26
This was my number one fixable chicago transit issue five years ago
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reggiedunlop
June 7, 2022, 9:47:21
Now, it would be 1) increasing the number of e-bikes and lowering the price with 2) increasing
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reggiedunlop
June 7, 2022, 9:53:49
that ####ing parking deal pisses me off more and more everyday.*
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longsnapper
June 7, 2022, 9:57:37
there should be stops at every "200." 800N, 1000N, 1200N, etc.*
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longsnapper
June 7, 2022, 9:51:37
Odd and Even buses.... Norton, you're a genius!! *
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osklister
June 7, 2022, 10:02:06
We actually discussed it quite heavily here with Kimmerz (come back) and TIT (come back)*
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reggiedunlop
June 7, 2022, 9:49:03
and me, buddy*
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longsnapper
June 7, 2022, 9:49:18
I was including you with the 'we'*
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reggiedunlop
June 7, 2022, 9:49:52
Plain English pod on this recently talked about how our environmental laws make this impossible
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bigbop85
June 7, 2022, 9:41:05
like an order of magnitude higher, iirc*
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torinese
June 7, 2022, 11:54:27
We just added a 1.7 mile / 3 station subway spur for the cost of about 1.6 billion dollars...
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haighter
June 7, 2022, 9:47:00
you also have crazy high seismic regulations*
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VIV
June 7, 2022, 9:50:59
Yeah, you would need 100 billion (at least) and 25 years to do this
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reggiedunlop
June 7, 2022, 9:43:38
It took that much just to update the People Mover at ORD*
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Dilbert
June 7, 2022, 9:57:07
I'l just sit back and wait for Elon to solve all the world's transportation problems*
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longsnapper
June 7, 2022, 9:58:15
ugh. pass*
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Dilbert
June 7, 2022, 11:59:47
I agree about the spill out on to roads.
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Chicago1995
June 7, 2022, 8:59:03
i don't get why people go bonkers for raising cane's *
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VIV
June 7, 2022, 9:07:41
The sauce is like crack - imo really good*
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bulldogmba
June 7, 2022, 9:27:26
looks like it's mayo-based which is usually a pass for me*
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VIV
June 7, 2022, 9:33:51
Starbucks is such a ####ing scam
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bjl63
June 7, 2022, 9:00:55
We classify areas of town as "Urban" "Traditional" and "Suburban"
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ijustkrushalot
June 7, 2022, 8:42:52
Could you expand upon this or link or something? This seems pretty interesting...
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haighter
June 7, 2022, 9:26:56
heh.. found the boards we used for an open house when we rewrote the code
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ijustkrushalot
June 7, 2022, 12:10:17
Can't wait to read this*
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longsnapper
June 7, 2022, 12:15:11
maybe has to do with mixing of zones and the utilization of feeder streets, etc.
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longsnapper
June 7, 2022, 9:35:43
wtf is "traditional"?*
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VIV
June 7, 2022, 9:07:07
to some degree a term of convenience, but for us:
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ijustkrushalot
June 7, 2022, 11:47:07
"Now leaving Traditional Chicago"...."Welcome to Suburban Chicago"....
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osklister
June 7, 2022, 8:57:45
Welcome to San Francisco. *
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haighter
June 7, 2022, 7:41:37
There is a drive thru Starbucks near me that backs up into traffic on a daily basis*
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CWR10
June 7, 2022, 7:40:24
All those drivers should be executed. Ticketed, at least.*
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longsnapper
June 7, 2022, 7:50:39
All those drivers should be executed. Ticketed, at least.*
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longsnapper
June 7, 2022, 7:50:37
Spoken like a dude with no kids*
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Carl Spackler
June 7, 2022, 7:31:26
This
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bigbop85
June 7, 2022, 8:40:24
Yeah, but how often do you do that in Lincoln Park? Wouldn't that be
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longsnapper
June 7, 2022, 8:41:51
What about Tuesday night after soccer practice? Or just a long day running errands?
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Chicago1995
June 7, 2022, 8:56:54
Of course, but then just go to one of the drive thrus that's within a quarter mile of an on/off ramp
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longsnapper
June 7, 2022, 8:59:04
McDonalds at Clark and Wrightwood and Fullerton and Clybourn
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bigbop85
June 7, 2022, 8:53:54
Can't disagree with Clark and wrightwood having a drive more. However, Fullerton/clybourn
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longsnapper
June 7, 2022, 8:57:46
Haha that Wendy’s has the quickest drive thru ever
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bigbop85
June 7, 2022, 9:24:44
the shared entrance and exit being just south of clyborn/ashland is a cluster####*
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longsnapper
June 7, 2022, 9:31:01
*removes car seats to clean them...finds something growing on seats underneath**
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lcubed
June 7, 2022, 8:40:10
Eh…I have kids. Not having drive-throughs would make zero appreciable difference…
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haighter
June 7, 2022, 8:38:36
I'm certain there's a solution that would be convenient for parents*
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longsnapper
June 7, 2022, 7:52:52
Like a drive thru?*
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Dilbert
June 7, 2022, 7:57:00
Terrible utilization of space and incredibly inefficient*
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longsnapper
June 7, 2022, 8:03:53
how about this?
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IlliniSax05
June 7, 2022, 8:10:25
Love this thing, Taco Bell rules.*
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Warrin'_Illini
June 7, 2022, 11:51:30
Can you send out a pen, I've got to sign the receipt....
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osklister
June 7, 2022, 8:14:44
When's the last time you signed a receipt at a fast food place?*
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longsnapper
June 7, 2022, 8:20:10
Good point. But what about sending out some dog biscuits? Extra lollipops for the kids in the car??
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osklister
June 7, 2022, 9:00:00
That's better. The sonic model is much better than standard dive thru*
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longsnapper
June 7, 2022, 8:12:43
How about this? You just drive your car close to the building, and someone hands you your order
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doubledown
June 7, 2022, 8:06:06
Great idea:
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longsnapper
June 7, 2022, 8:12:12
That’s the case for, what, 1% of drive-thrus? *
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doubledown
June 7, 2022, 8:19:44
Probably more:
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longsnapper
June 7, 2022, 8:26:25
The new Sbux in town is being built for a 19 car dedicated drive thru
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Dilbert
June 7, 2022, 8:46:21
That's ####ing ridiculous*
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longsnapper
June 7, 2022, 8:49:21
Which part?
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Dilbert
June 7, 2022, 8:51:18
Well, you kind of answered with the "not walkable & no public transit" but
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longsnapper
June 7, 2022, 9:06:04
it is not open yet, but I will get you a picture next time I am over there
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Dilbert
June 7, 2022, 9:11:18
The Chik-Fil-A’s around here get crazy drive through lines like that
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DT
June 7, 2022, 8:15:40
The one close to me is worse
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TarheelIllini
June 7, 2022, 8:56:14
I love using the CFA app and either getting curbside delivery or just walk in...
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shua
June 7, 2022, 8:42:03
How about this, you park your car, and you either go inside or someone comes out
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longsnapper
June 7, 2022, 8:10:18
Wait, what if the employee was on roller skates?
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osklister
June 7, 2022, 8:16:05
Hopefully he's got nice stems*
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longsnapper
June 7, 2022, 8:21:06
Curbside pickup works just as well for me.*
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ISeeDeadHawkeyes
June 7, 2022, 7:53:55
In & Out should have to be in the middle of nowhere. They're a cancer. *
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doubledown
June 7, 2022, 7:27:47
a delicious cancer*
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Tortillini
June 7, 2022, 7:31:01
this*
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bbonb
June 7, 2022, 7:56:12
Middling at best. *
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doubledown
June 7, 2022, 7:34:44
I'm sure the lack of availability near me heightens its appeal
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Tortillini
June 7, 2022, 8:06:17
Mandated In & Out on every corner. Problem solved.*
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ghost_of_clt
June 7, 2022, 7:30:59
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