Your post is about violent crime. Even here, violent crime is down-ish… Archived Message
Posted by haighter on June 12, 2022, 17:17:44, in reply to "That's a correlation but I don't buy causation. Crime has been an rising problem in SF, to give "
Our country is much safer from violent crime than it was 30-40 years ago. Property crime and quality of life crimes are up, which is what people are reacting to. It’s not fear mongering. Before you throw up a Boudin stat of reported quality of life crimes being down, I fully agree. People have stopped reporting quality of life crimes because they’re so ubiquitous.  Previous Message one example, despite massive influx of $$ and investment over the past 10 years. There's rising crime (it appears from reports here) over teh same period in places like Portland and Seattle despite increased investment there. And violent crime isn't necessarily an urban problem. Louisiana his a high degree of urbanization and (anecdotally) crime in NO. Yet it has a pretty similar murder rate as bordering Mississippi. Highly urbanized Maryland has a lower murder rate than Alaska and South Carolina. https://deathpenaltyinfo.org/facts-and-research/murder-rates/murder-rates-by-state Getting back to the original post, nationally, crime is down over the last 10 years with an apparent uptick during the pandemic, despite the fear mongering anecdata.  Previous Message In urban areas, culminating in the late 1980s / early 1990s. The end of 30+ years of cities emptying and going into the shitter hand in hand with urban white flight. White people / wealthy people had a newfound interest in urbanization right after that and magically, massive dollars of investment proved good for negative violent crime rates. So of course national violent crime rates went down as cities experienced massive reinvestment and crime dramatically decreased over the 20-30 years since 1990. Regarding an increase in hard drugs since “the Great Recession” sure. It also has been more widespread and not as inner city concentrated as the crack epidemic AND even the urban areas it’s occurring in are dramatically changed since the last great drug epidemic of the 1970s 1980s and early 1990s.  Previous Message And other indicators show that there’s a hard drug resurgence since before the Great Recession. Yet violent crime has been somewhat flat.
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- Crime is up - ATL June 12, 2022, 15:01:29
- Here you go ATL, from Derek Thompson on the "well actually crime is down" crowd - bigbop85 June 13, 2022, 14:21:32
- Wait until you read about those rural war zones - Chilango June 12, 2022, 19:15:59
- can't wait to see how the Insurrection affects the 2021 numbers* - Orangeillini June 12, 2022, 17:44:48
- But the arrow points down* - timmer June 12, 2022, 16:50:33
- Crime is down from the height of the crack epidemic and the end of 30 years… - haighter June 12, 2022, 16:38:23
- Lol*
- bigbop85 June 12, 2022, 15:03:48
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