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beat bowl opponent*
roughy's newest blog post is a worthwhile read*
i'll agree with that
Excellent post *
For lack of a better place, are we recruiting the ESL QB? (Tyler Macon)
s/b Lovie It! *
Supposedly coming from Sunkett, weren't they?
Someone has put that on the board
Cory Patterson visited with Antonio Johnson and his family on Monday night
his house sure looks like a bar :)*
Blew the entire rec room budget on lighting and pool tables, totally forgot to upgrade heat.
A piece of good news, Hayes says he is returning for next season
That's great, thanks for sharing*
Lere Oladipo in the transfer portal.*
Fitz losing a fourth year transfer... counseled out?
Different kind of athlete, for sure.*
Man I wish the Redbox (eww) Bowl was on 12/31.*
Yeah, i'd like the extra day before having to fly back for it*
I am at a new job and have Tues. and Wed off. Could probably get Monday too
I assume we will not get word on a destination until after the weekend's games?*
Sweet. Been awhile since the announcement process has been relevant to me. Thanks*
here are some interesting stats on our turnover rates
Upon consultation with @ESPN_BillC:
Upon consultation with @ESPN_BillC:
I have no idea what these stats are saying*
We could just be better next year and win like 8 games.
this deserves its own thread
Finally, a stat that demonstrates the obvious truth. *
without knowing too much about what the next level stats are looking at, I feel like
he's measuring havoc rate and turnovers to create "expected turnovers"
i agree with all of this, and perhaps it makes the most sense with interceptions
It is fair to attribute some excess turnovers to Lovie
Can't disagree with any of that
another way to say it is that the scheme is not responsible for the turnover rate
Strip sacks and INTs from throws under pressure are not luck. Thatís talent.
Tony Adam's int late in the UW game pretty great *
Certainly. That was a tremendous play by Tony.*
here's an interesting article about the inverted Tampa 2
Does Lovie ever change? I say "nope".
my response is that in the B1G you have to be malleable
Right. I mean, same message for Lovie and Brad.
It's so frustrating to watch our LBs start 3 yards from the LOS. Then get swallowed*
i thought freeing the MLB from conflict part is an interesting trick
American-Chinese U vs Chinese U*
MSU Twitter is thinking pretty heavily they're going to the Bronx?
Jason Kirk has RedBox vs. Cal *
Cal has a solid D but a bad O
Damn, sounds like itís gonna be redbox*
Palm has us in Redbox vs Washington*
That would be a bludgeoning *
that one would get out of hand *
Washington would scheme the hell out of exploiting the C2 holes.
they're also much more talented than us
So how did they fall to the level of playing in a mid-level bowl?*
they lost 4 games by less than a TD and won 6 of 7 by 2 TDs or more
In part, losses to Oregon and Utah, both of which were in the playoff conversation all year.
Booked a hotel room just incase*
Might do the same, but airfare is a joke.
I saw that it's almost $700 for american.*
I'll fly out on Xmas Eve or Xmas Day since I have family there. Reduces price to $350.*
Nice, we'd fly in on the 29th, then stay through the week in Mountain View*
Short trips are about $500 (29-30 or 29-31)*
I'll probably do a couple days in Santa Cruz after Xmas and go up to SF for NYE.*
You check all 3 airports?*
Note: I didn't check all airlines.
Southwest flies to SFO, OAK and SJC.*
You check all 3 airports?*
I just booked at the Holiday Inn Express in Santa Clara
Booked through Costco for $350 all-in for 2 nights.*
I'm staying with friends in mountain view of that happens*
NYC = Phish NYE, Santa Clara = Grateful Dead NYE. Detroit = Chicago NYE.*
Wow, didn't know Chicago was still touring. Those guys must be pushing 75 by now.... oh wait.
Stewart Mandel has us playing FSU in Detroit.*
Updated to Redbox vs Cal*
Jeebus, let them. Anything is better than NYC in the winter. *
Only Illini fans that want the pinstripe live there*
just so expensive*
YOU ARE MISINFORMED. NYC>>>> Detroit*
No, not at all. Logistically and date-wise it is ideal for me....
Um no. If I could go that would be tops for me
Detroit is great. New York is awesome. Santa Clara has nice weather*
our weather's a little iffy then
Detroit sucks but they have many casinos.*
You can do that here*
The casino in Windsor has a sportsbook*
Convenient to ballet in Canada too. *
we have casinos in Illinois
But Illinois doesn't have a bowl game.*
but if I'm choosing which bowl game would be preferable
I'd rather go to Detroit and sit in a dome than sit in the cold at Yankee Stadium.*
Serious for a moment: for Chicago people, Detroit would be a far better choice.
Just over a 4 hour drive from my house. Not the easiest, but could do round trip in a day*
hell take Amtrak*
That Amtrak always gets delayed. ALWAYS.*
Good. I'm looking at Airbnb and hotels right now for 12/27 - 1/1. At least $1k for that stay.*
Glad I booked my NYC hotel about 2-3 weeks ago.....
Former 4* STL DL Michael Thompson (of OU) enters the transfer portal
BTW, is there any news on Doug Kramer? When cerny came in, it got really ugly.
My agglomerated offense thoughts, after stewing for a few days.
"I'd be ok not watching [him] play football ever again" "[he] was actually OK passing"
i would have preferred Taylor in there as the backup because he does one thing really well
I agree. I just feel like Robinson is getting shit on disproportionately*
... and be healthy. Agree with all this*
With the shots heís taken this year, another concussion next year is far from inconceivable *
I don't know. We've seen him in action in likely 7-8 games in his brief career, some with extended
All freshman QBs look like garbage *
Peters Rating, ypa: 130, 6.8 Robinson, 110.6, 6.2. seems like a back up to me.
Going back to the Illinois bar, those Peters numbers put him at 77 and 88 in D1, respectively
I don't think "matt robinson does not belong in a D1 roster" type comments
Those are over the top, yes
I think youíre judging him by a very Illinois bar
This Is The Way *
I tend to agree. I think the frustration is they didn't trust him for the entire first half.
He threw some absolutely horrible passes in the first half.
Yes, especially on the run. He doesn't have good arm strength, period. That we were calling plays
here's a long two part response.
I agree with all of that
Probably should go to the Peters subthread below but
i'd add that MN's season was keyed by Tanner Morgan
i think the season goes as he goes
My one thought with Peters is it looks like we run a lot of shitty passing concepts
I'm surprised we didn't throw to the TE more. Reward Reams and Barker a little more
And, we'll have Ford next year*
I left out hitches, we love some hitches*
the Joe Burreaux jersey was college football at its finest*
That was great*
JeffJ says the DIA wants the Pinstripe Bowl against Pitt --> $$$
I think JeffJ has similar "source(s)" as a several people do on here....
Make it happen*
New York is the one place I donít want to go to*
This convinces me we probably aren't going to NYC.*
Me too, for sure*
Iíll be there if it happens*
Also, did the DIA get new interns starting today? I've gotten 4 emails from them today*
Pet peeve of mine
I still remember when UI sent a blast email following our upset of Michigan in 2008 or 2009
Maybe not the marketing emails. But since I'm very low level I fund, it is usually interns
Interesting. Probably an academia thing*
If they raise season ticket prices (see email inside!) for 2020, then I'll get on the hate Whitman
Probably never going to happen, but watch them actually lower the price. .
Surprised deadline is not sooner, would expect some date berfore our bowl game*
I think theyíll have a small increase. I like the early renewal option
doesn't that email say prices stay the same by renewing now?*
it's creating a false sense of urgency tn hopes of making a sale to lock in 2020 revenue now.*
i know, this is also my job. *
At least they are trying to strike while the Iron is warm, I will give them that....
Yes of course, with the implication being that they *may* raise prices for next season
I hope they do raise prices instead of lying about it.
I wouldn't consider creating a false sense of urgency (as art says above) as lying
if the ticket pricing doesn't actually go up for anyone, i'd say that's lying
When they say lock in 2019 pricing! I think that leaves wiggle room to say
that's true! then you also burn yourself for the rest of time
How so? I generally ignore the flash sale emails/posts
a constant stream of discounts teaches the consumer never to buy at full price
Interesting thanks *
you going to the bowl game?*
Probably Detroit only. Can't really swing the other costs and dates
btw, I gained an appreciation for the people that say that the concessions are bad
anyone who attended the game Saturday is a saint*
my italian beef from Portillos was good
Same on the missing plays. Left to get lunch right before the interception, finished
I am happy the team made a bowl game.
DETLEF and I on the same page.*
would you feel better/worse/the same about the season if we lost to wisconsin & msu
Or the exact same season but in a different order? Start 2-6, then finish with the 4-game streak
That would mean we looked better in game 48 than game 1
Idk. I want to not see the same bad stuff (that's mostly controllable by good coaching) at the end
There's no way of answering that without seeing how it played out.
I think the way we lose would have to be factored.
Phil's point below and this point are both part of it.*
My pretty much permanent standard for the program is "will games next year be fun and will we bowl"
I'm in the same mindset.
Much worse. That is the type of irrelevant 6-6 win season that I want nothing to do with.
So you're ignoring the Illinipuff piece in the Washington Post and the other national notoriety that
I think you misread my post. Iím doing the opposite of that*
Yep. A win against a top 10 team shows more progress*
I wish roughy was still here. I think heís missing the point with his Ďstanceí tweets...
We all asked before the season to improve to what, 70th in defense (SP+)?
i wonder if there'd be fewer "stance" tweets if the season hadn't been called "magical" by JW
yea, it was an objectively dumb statement by Whitman. I was feeling Illinois Magic after the game
Happy birthday! *
this tweet and reply brought me comfort as I sat in the West Balcony:
I saw you and was going to say hi but you weren't there anymore when I got up. Ran into Smitto &
Hey now, we also describe Tim Beckman's last season as "magical"*
The irony of this tweet combined with his own pinned tweet (ooo)
Doesn't he already do that with Underwood's recruiting style? "I said 2 years ago this would happen"
Yes there are people that want to be "right" and thus have a stance, but I'd argue those are few and
I'll be honest, I don't know what he means by "stance-free." Doesn't he just have a different stance
I think he's commenting that folks have been Illinois'd to the point that
I think that most people are just not going to be that happy with a 6-6 season.
I think the actual feeling is that if the floor for an Illini team was 6-6, he would be enshrined.
That old yarn has never been true, and I scoff every time I see it.
Zook went 7-6, 7-6, with the first back-to-back bowl wins in school history and was promptly fired*
I think many fans realize there's a regression coming in 2021, to a certain extent.
6-6 in 2021 = amazing. 6-6 in 2020 = disaster*
My guess is the Vegas O/U for next year is 5.5.
Non-sequitur really but what was this year's - 4.5?*
IIRC, I think it came out super low - like 3.5, and it got bet up.*
I think so*
Agree. 6-6 next year wouldn't be good.
4-8 or 3-9 are going to happen to you in the B1G
9-3 isn't an unreasonable expectation*
That's probably fair for people like us.
there is 0 chance that 6-6 will disappoint me next year
I think thatís easier to say than feel
yea... manner matters. This year was pretty positive but we were two hideous losses from 8-4
But we really werenít in those games. The score was closer than the play. *
on the flip side, we were 5 seconds of football game from 4-8*
6-6 would be bad next year. I think even roughy would agree with that.
I mean... who are we pushing past?
Nebraska looks like they are losing over half their starting defense.
we really struggle with running QBs
yea, i don't see that one.
they will be exactly the team they always are
I think a sad way to look at my point above:
the B1G W is getting better
We could be a much better team next year, and finish with the same record.*
Here's where the idiosyncrasies of my personal fandom come out
Let me say this back a little differently and see if I agree...
I kinda disagree, I'd rather have 2019 than 2010
Not to the Wisconsin level, but smoking Penn State in Happy Valley was a big deal for us back then.*
Nice. Figured you'd have the perfect comp.*
yeah, and that makes sense too*
Maybe not in a sustained sense, but as a point along the current spectrum, 6-6 is quite acceptable.
it's fine to be honest about the team's strengths and flaws. it's not when you say dumb things to..
wow man you're so money*
his stance is we are on track
maybe he should worry less about being mr. fan police
I really really really thought that game against NW was going to be the game we had against Iowa.
NW entered the game with the worst offense in the conference decimated by injuries.
Ahem, worst in FBS *
I also wonder if Fitzee didnít screw his team by not playing Marty sooner
they essentially turned into a single wing team
I feel like we got Reilly O'Toole'd
the ROT NW game we were a lot more balanced and benefited from TOs.
yeah, I did the same... the Penn State game is probably a better example
we got ass blasted by the worst offense in the conference
oh lack of a serviceable QB was the thing that was gonna get Lovie shitcanned
I've gained a massive appreciation for Brandon Peters this season.
QB play next year will be the difference
I'd say the OLine will be the difference vs the qb. A competent OL can help a lot.
Was one of the showcase games for 'it's won in the trenches'
NW attempted 10 passes. 34 of their 55 pass yards came on one play.
In 2003 they didn't throw a damn pass the entire second half
I had a terrible feeling all week about the NW game.
he made many more points than simply calling out stance-defending
I donít disagree with that point. I have some questions about the defense improved ENOUGH...
taking it on a game-by-game basis is a weird way to look at it....
As I said on Twitter, we had some good wins and some luck. But the losses tended to include
my concern is similar to the bears from last year to this one
turnovers are sustainable if you're really talented and well coached
right, so if we go back to 1.5 per game, which is still good, where are we?
it depends on the timing so it's impossible to say
also, where TOs happen matters and whether or not they end up in the endzone
If you're physically dominant, you're generally going to create turnovers by being physically...
wait, it matters where and when a TO occurs?*
exactly. which is why they are hard to control for, i.e. turnover success is the least sustainable
none of what you are saying is mathematically principled at all*
He's just saying that past turnover success isn't predictive of future turnover success.
look at our yards/carry over the past several years
lol. awesome. looks like you've surrounded the issue pretty well*
don't ask me
and what would we be if we lost 1.5 yds/carry compared to what we actually did?
rushing yardage is more easily sustainable than turnovers
maybe that's true -- i don't know. what are average yards per carry over the past several years?*
here you go:
so pretty significant variance (as i imagine most things are on CFB team)
I think turnovers as a defensive scheme is sustainable. The issue is, do we have anything else? *
is it sustainable at this rate?*
Idk, but can we win without it? That can't be the only thing we've learned to do well in 4 years*
Dissecting the year... there were two games I feel awful about
The Nebraska loss feels bad in retrospect*
somewhat, and maybe just becuase I wasn't able to watch that game
We got dominated but TOs kept us in it
Yeah, we were fairly out-talented by Martinez, Washington, Robinson, etc.
We were up by 14 and as it turned out they were a lot worse than we thought they were*
Someone posted about the NG All State team (we have one commit so far).
Good way to start the day: "NU's win over UIUC provides jumpstart to offseason".
These tweets are always fun. Committed but not
Burger basket enters the transfer portal. We recruited him hard*
We took a very similar player in Lavar Gardner*
Jalen St. John reopens recruitment. Get him!*
ESPN Bowl projections: 1 vote for Detroit (vs. BC) & 1 vote for Pinstripe (vs. Louisville)*
I saw 1 for vs. Cal (Redbox)*
Magical season according to Whitman
Yesterday wasnít what we wanted or expected, but that doesnít detract from a magical season, led by this incredible group of men...men who have shown grit, toughness, resiliency, skill, leadership, and loyalty beyond compare. Their legacy will live long. Letís go get #7, gents! https://t.co/vrpqKV5afC
Yesterday wasnít what we wanted or expected, but that doesnít detract from a magical season, led by this incredible group of men...men who have shown grit, toughness, resiliency, skill, leadership, and loyalty beyond compare. Their legacy will live long. Letís go get #7, gents! https://t.co/vrpqKV5afC— Josh Whitman (@IlliniAD) December 1, 2019
it was magical for me because i literally dreamt it*
Whitman also probably thinks his tenure has been magical, thus the raise and extension*
2001 and 2007 were magical. We had a couple of magical games this year, but a 6-6 season?
Four game conference win streak, beating a Top 10 team, biggest comeback in school history
mind boggling that folks here think otherwise*
honestly with the two wins over MSU and Wisky, those were magical
Coming into the season, I was thinking 3-4 gimmes. Non conference and Northwestern.
We were expecting 5-7, hoping for 6-6. We got 6-6 in the weirdest way possible. *
Hey Taz - this is a good insight into how Whitman thinks
exactly right - this is a window into the culture of the DIA, and what has been wrong for decades!*
I'm with Taz on that, this is dumb.
I think trying to glean Whitmanís thinking from a press statement is pretty dumb
People are extra red-ass because we looked like total dogshit yesterday
I was there, I know how bad it was. It doesn't mean that we didn't beat Wisconsin
I was there also. It was a rotten day
i lean this way as well aebd *
How about he says ďwe made a bowl gameĒ instead of ďmagical seasonĒ
Jfc this board *
consider the poster(s)*
We had the biggest upset (by point spread) and biggest comeback in school history.
Doesn't jibe with ranger's position.
show some respect, soldiet*
#### you phil *
Think it's safe to say we exceeded expectations this year. The win streak was incredible as well*
I would agree with this*
We met the minimum requirement, regardless of expectations. If 5 wins is expected in year 4,
Itís possible that:
Correct. So let's just hold steady instead of
I donít think we should fire Lovie at this point.
looks like youíve surrounded the issue pretty well*
Agree 100%. I also think that the Whitman criticism when he's public relation-ing is pointless
Longest big ten win streak in how many years?*
I mean, that's great and all. But we still "only" won 6 games. Winning steaks in football
Steaks, lasagna, blah blah*
But my point is really about he thinks you have to eat tons of shit to be good
He was part of the 0-fer season and part of building it into a winning team that bowled.
And I don't see much sense in that.
Hopefully heís looking at many others aside from our beloved RG.
Why would you doubt that?
Iím an Illini fan. I always expect/assume the worst.*
Yep, I want the AD making glowingly positive comments about the coach
Yea. I don't think that Tweet was as well thought out as he would have liked.
ďMagicalĒ... careful, donít trip over that bar, Josh*
Burger Basket (Dayven Coleman) enters the portal. I recall when he was a sought after Lovie target*
After letting it settle for a day, I still feel pretty discouraged overall.
We lost badly yesterday to a 2-9 (0-8) team
At this point, I just want him to compile enough talent for the next coach
Jalen St John back on the market. Go get him, Lovie/CP*
As gross as that was top to bottom, the fact that we waited that long to get IW on the field
Yep exactly. This is why I said I feel that the coaches took some "lucky" wins
Worse, it reinforced to the AD that the status quo is fine. Itís not.
You have no idea if that's true or not*
Iím 100% certain the staff is underqualified.
I donít think the ACs are or should be in the ADs food chain
ADs require that HCs make changes. Thatís not really unheard of.
It's not Whitman's decision, but that doesn't mean he's happy with it*
I think the staff is weak. Donít think thatís really debatable.
Agree that the staff is weak. But I don't think there's proof that JW
I think heís satisfied with the progress.
I think heís saying that publicly, anyway.
Whitman has no idea what a big time program looks like
Yeah it does.
Learning curve? Sure. "Literally thinks it has to be this way"? Dumb*
He does. Everything heís done screams that.
When those coaches took over Iíd guess neither of those programs were where Illinois was
Ark and CO were both very bad