Apparent racially motivated shooting in Georgia - Ahmaud Arbery .....
this incident played out so predictably*
And the circle will be completed when they all walk*
As they should. Mob justice should not prevail*
Wait ... oh, never mind. You're clueless. Not worth it.
I choose to believe he is being intentionally obtuse
Enter home under construction and run away and you will look suspicious
Easy solution...call the cops*
A TON of people entered that construction site. A TON. So far, only Arbery was confronted.
Tough to press charges without an arrest.
Heíll get the chance to testify I guess. Looks like he and McMichael at least talked about contactin
The police basically told him to stop calling them, to call McMichael and gave him McMichael's
My (very conservative Georgia fmr prosecutor) friend posits that this is less about race
The local police definitely didn't want their role in this investigated.
The fact he mentioned mob justice to HELP these defendants' causes ... SMDH.
Watch his Mom. If she could get a group of people to grab them from jail...
You do know there's a well documented history in USA of a racial group grabbing people out of jail
Its not really confusing. The only thing preventing Jeff from being a full blown hilljack
Just white mob with guns justice apparently.*
This is a bad look even for you
Guy who took the video is arrested. I don't agree with that*
Wasnít he on the phone with 911 during the shooting?
Based on the other charge...
Should be easy to prove if they texted or called each other
Detain for the police. Not beat up. He attacked son and went bye bye*
they were trying to unlawfully imprison the runner. The runner engaged in self defense
Shouldnít you be desperately trying to find photos of him smoking pot or something?
So you subscribe to the "jogger" narrative?*
Lay your cards on the table *
Thatís their story. Iím saying what the prosecution apparently thinks it can prove.*
Thatís what I see on the video*
And your opinion of what you saw is irrelevant to why they charged him.*
They were charged because a mob demanded it*
Sure. Go with that.*
I believe the dad in the back of the truck was.*
Didn't see that coming...
Did he test positive?*
Suck my edit.*
I actually thought we got our first Wormhole in a long time.
His bowlcut is bad, but it's not a crime.
Reason #10,485,542 why gun ownership should be illegal *
Sounds like the shooter had a confrontation with Arbery 2 weeks prior...
So they did know of him beforehand.
That's been the claim all along. And one of the reasons the 2 previous DA's declined to prosecute.*
I think you misunderstand me. I think it makes the case better against the defendants.*
Oh I understand it. I just disagree
Read chuck's comments throughout this thread. He thinks they have a good case*
I think the prosecutor has a tough case. I thought Zimmerman's did too which you told me I was wrong
I told you that the prosecution in the Zimmerman case had a tough case? *
No. I told you they did. You said I was wrong.*
Okay, I don't recall that at all. But to clarify my statement above, I was saying that you think
I think the prosecutor has a tough case.*
Hard to say. Still lots of info coming out daily. Regardless, I think they should
I'd say any time there is an interracial shooting in the middle of the street it's probably best to
Even a retired cop never forgets to claim the black guy reached for his waistband. *
They REALLY didnít want him looking at the construction site?*
Or stealing guns out of their unlocked trucks.*
Anybody who leaves a gun in a truck deserves to have it stolen, and probably to get shot with it. *
What about guys who try to sneak unregistered guns into high school basketball games and
That guy should be arrested and prosecuted. *
But doesn't deserve to get shot like the irresponsible but not unlawful gun owner. Got it.*
You leave your iPhone in your unlocked truck and get it stolen, that's dumb
I agree. Georgia has dumb gun storage laws. I think trying to sneak an unregistered gun into a
Overall i find the shooters motivation less concerning that the decision not to charge them
Because he charged them which led to his death*
The fact that it took the video to charge them is WTF*
The motivation should be concerning too. The public probably shouldn't be allowed to arrest someone*
The law is designed for business owners in shoplifting scenarios, etc.
And small-town N Carolina mechanics who have just gotten a ticket also.
Or allow law enforcement to do whatever they want, whereever they want.*
Do you think it was a lynching and that they should be executed?*
I would speculate that it was probably 2nd degree murder*
I would be okay with manslaughter*
Of course you would be because you're racist.
Then why did I enthusiastically vote for Obama?*
Obama was half white, and youíre a glass-half-full kinda guy?*
He definitely wasnít Jesse Jackson*
Another good Trump-esque argument*
Well damn, I didn't realize you did that ENTHUSIASTICALLY. Never mind then, racist.
Racists didnít vote for Obama and they love them some Dotard*
Democrats can be racist too*
To be fair to Jeff, though, its a massive stretch to call him a democrat *
I consider myself an independent in the middle*
This could lead down a rabbit hole*
I still canít tell if Jeff is doing a bit right now. *
I donít do bits. Just not afraid to take an unpopular position*
Birks w/ socks is one thing. This is completely different. Lock it down.
A white guy trespassing like that and running away would also look suspicious*
he would. but he wouldn't inspire 2 other random guys to get guns and use them*
The gun was only used because he charged them*
I already hate myself for responding, but what is your proposed alternatives?
Mot sure they would Have forced him into the truck. Most likely held at gunpoint until police came*
Try to put yourself in the sandals and socks of a black man growing up in the South.
I sure wouldnít trespass on a construction site and run away*
That isnít what we were taking about. But you clearly arenít looking for a real discussion*
That is what started the chain of events*
what started the chain of events was two racists saw a black dude jogging through their neighborhood
You are being willfully ignorant*
look in the ####ing mirror. I'm not the one defending two murderers
Only one pulled the trigger*
oh, excuse.me. one murderer and his equally complicit racist father
When is this forum going to learn that arguing with Jeff is an exercise in futility?
i know. for whatever reason this stupidity set me off. I'm done now
Pure speculation. It's just as likely they abduct the guy and do their own questioning.
One was a former cop*
Why couldn't they call the police absent confronting and holding him?*
He was running away*
So ####ing what? He hadn't done anything.. *
They didnít think that*
Assuming they think he did something, I'll reiterate so ####ing what?*
Doesn't matter. *
that doesn't give them the right to roll up, weapons drawn, and attempt to level their own justice
They were trying to detain him, not kill him*
They were feloniously trying to detain him and putting him in completely rational fear for his life.
according to you based on absolutely nothing
Why couldn't they follow at a safe distance, try to obtain a really good description, snap a photo?
I agree that would have been better*
Why is it the victims responsibility to go along with being assaulted?
that's the ####ing crux of this... rights carry responsibilities as well
If a person stopped you on the street and robbed you with a gun, do you have a right
They werenít robbing him. If you were being robbed would you give up your cell phone or charge?*
Take race completely out of it. Some person walks up to you pointing a gun...
Of course. And I would know trying to take away the gun would increase my chances of death*
In that moment, before he charged, did the aggressors have reason to believe they'd die?
You try to stop somebody at gunpoint on a public street, you''re committing a felony.
LOL, he's black, if it turned into a shootout and he somehow survived
I'm sure he would, but he clearly would have been acting in self defense, and I'm sure
they robbed him of life, liberty and/or pursuit of happiness without a trial *
They weren't. But they also were acting with authority that they didn't have
And I donít wear birks*
or an incredibly stupid one
eh, you gave him an out and he's doubling down (no pun intended) on being stupid instead*
he definitely does some things for attention
Anything for attention.*
I know I've thought this before, but maybe didn't bother posting... how frickin' obtuse does one
Both sides are at fault. I just donít think it was a lynching like the mayor said*
you're right, he wasn't lynched, he was shot/murdered by two hillbillies.*
When he rushed at one trying to take away his gun*
you can't brandish a gun, and claim self defense. That's not how self defense works
You can open carry in Georgia if you have a CCW and there is no video evidence of him brandishing.
how does CCW work with shotguns? I thought you had to conceal the weapon*
Doubtful, in an open carry state. I don't know Georgia's law well, but I know it's an open carry
Ah didn't realize that. Recent expansions to the carry laws (e.g. college campuses)
the problem is laws that put a presumption of innocence on a random yahoo standing over a dead body
The insanity of the gun storage, citizen arrest and open carry laws are all on full display here.*
I never defended George Zimmerman BTW*
You must not be familiar with stand your ground laws*
I think I'm more well versed in gun laws than you'll ever be.
so the right to self defense only applies to the person with the gun
If you rush someone with a gun it is like going all in in poker. He should have put hiis hands up*
And what does that tell you about his other options if he thought that was his best one?*
why, because someone he didn't ####ing know was unlawfully pointing a gun at him?
If you charge someone with a gun pointed at you you should know the risk*
Did you expect him to surrender?*
he thinks that these ignorant racists that went after the guy strapped and weapons drawn
They would not have shot him if he didnít charge them*
They would not have shot him if they didn't bring guns. They would not have shot him if they didn't
and you know that how? you have no way of knowing what would have happened
that's a huge leap for you
Correction: 1 Hillbilly.
no, they weren't both at fault
^^^^^This, Jeff. Just the murderers, not the victim. Maybe don't pick this wall to make your stand.*
Going inside the house may not have been a felony but it was wrong and looked suspicious*
THEN CALL THE ####ING POLICE
Trespassing on private property does not warrant hilljacks harassing and hunting you down.
They thought they were doing the right thing*
so does the KKK
You really think their mindset was that they wanted to go out and kill a black guy for no reason?*
Their racist minds thought he stole their guns previously. So they hunted him down.
His race has nothing to do with my opinion*
If some good cops were acting on that information, do you think they're approaching Arbery with guns
They would have hand guns in holsters at the ready. Different with a long gun*
You should have been here during the ChadAce days
I don't remember him, but it does seem like there were other posters here when I joined up last
Anything for attention.*
the venn diagram of people who would originally hold that position and people who value information
I know I've asked this about others before, but maybe I just haven't been on the Deuce long enough
It's not that deep dude. Stay here long enough and you'll realise that there are only 2 principles
Otoh, his anti-Dotard crusading is awesome and righteous.*
I haven't been paying enough attention to understand the origin story there
Which arguments? I donít agree with anything he ever says or does*
You literally just both sides-ed it above, that's a solid start*
Which post? It will be interesting to see where Tucker Carlson goes on this*
"Both sides are at fault...." *
He made two bad decisions*
I am trying to see the viewpoint of the hillbillies....
So they hear there have been burglaries, but there hadn't been. And they think
Not all burglaries are reported to the police*
Bullshit. If they want to "protect their neighborhood," they should call the police*
When is it safe to assume all they have is a guy going inside a construction site ?
They didnít even have that, did they ?
They might have a video of someone stealing a gun out of their unlocked truck.
The owner of the fishing gear (assuming weíre talking about the same incident) said he doesnít know
And the fishing gear thing was shot down by the owner of the home under construction.
Trying to? You are already there.*
The fact that you're trying to see the viewpoint of the white people clearly in the wrong
He didnít do nothing wrong*
It's almost as if introducing a gun into a situation they're ill-equipped to handle was a bad idea*
Do you really think they went out with the intention of killing him?*
Explain to me why they needed to bring guns with them. After you say in order to protect themselves
They surely intended to hold him until police arrived*
And he saw them as a threat and made a mistake*
You don't think a couple of armed strangers detaining you is a threat?*
Apparently, not only do blacks have to comply with bullshit harassment from cops
But only if they're subjectively worried that the black guy is a criminal!*
Why does intent matter?*
Difference between murder and manslaughter*
You need to STFU. Seriously.
I will not*
Let him type long enough and a lot of gross stuff comes out.*
Iím glad more people are recognizing that. *
Well that's disappointing. I mean, everyone has a right to an opinion. But to have those kind of
Don't let me color your opinion. Lots of folks here think he's great.*
Do they, though?
That is spot on*
You are Bobby Flayís prep cook*
Iím not sure what that means
you are monty python gumby
just one dead here. still terrible.*
Races reversed and Georgia would be making sure it was at least 3 dead*
The Mom wants them dead*
Interested to see if the hate crime charge comes to pass and sticks*
I thought that Georgia doesn't have a hate crime law?*
SMH at him going into that house. Just asking for trouble*
It's really amazing how Jeff's claimed "liberalism" is just him hating religious people.
I don't claim liberalism. I am the judge in the moderate middle*
you have more (significantly so) regressive views than my openly republican parents *
What regressive views?*
covered under gender *
Just watched Nicole Wallace. She is awesome*
People do that all the time on construction sites for projects my firm has designed.
They shouldnít and if they do they shouldnít run away*
You truly are a piece of shit.
Poo poo is you*
Yeah, the black guy should definitely not run away from the armed hilljacks chasing him down*
Trying to grab the gun was bad idea jeans*
Just asking to get killed for at worst trespassing on an unrelated property?
Ask Emmett Till.
Ask Emmett Till.
He tried to defend himself by going after the gun. That led hillbilly to defend himself*
You really think I like agreeing with Candace Owens?*
You don't get to claim self defense when you pull a gun someone and they fight back*
But the yokel pulled the gun first.
Do remember you are arguing criminal law with an attorney who has tried criminal cases, Jeff. I could do this all day.
Do remember you are arguing criminal law with an attorney who has tried criminal cases, Jeff. I could do this all day.
It's hard to win an argument with a smart person. It's impossible to win an argument with an idiot*
Shut your pie hole*
yeah i'm sure if he'd just run away these guys would have let him go*
He was running away from the truck that was videoing. Other truck went on an intercept course*
Shooting him in the back as he ran away would be a much different story*
no, it really wouldn't
No self defense could be claimed if that was what happened*
Theyíre ignorant racists. Theyíll make stupid claims regardless of the circumstances
If he didnít charge at him trying to take away the gun he wouldnít be dead*
and if ignorant racists hadn't armed up and gone chasing after him for no reason he wouldn't be dead
also you have no way of knowing what their intent was so you can't say he wouldn't be dead
Jeff also thinks women who dress ####ty are asking for it*
RIght, only if they're trying to regulate your sleazy industry*
Eff Elizabeth Warren*
But he's a lovable loser in Tevas who has multiple TVs and thinks he's a great cook! He's harmless!
I look forward to the explanation of how those goobers...
Donít take this bait*
Why do you think he went in there and looked around?*
Doesn't matter. The yokels that shot him didn't know about it.*
It started an awful chain of events. They didn't just execute him*
It didn't start anything since they didn't know about it.
The shots were fired when he went for the gun*
Ask all the white neighbors who said they did the same thing and nothing happened to them*
I bite, I do it all the time her in my neighborhood
Our neighborhood was only 1/3 finished when we moved in and it's still not done. I went inside a lot
Did you run away afterwards?*
kinda weird on the source of the video
Yeah, that guy is so full of shit.
Also, how delusional do you have to be to think this exonerates the defendants?
Well... Two highly compromised agencies already declined to press charges so why wouldn't you
much like a white person can't be a racist unless they're brandishing a KKK membership card
Well, he's a UGA law grad so....
Chicago policing note:
This is the only kind of citizens arrest that should be allowed
Fox and Friends worried that the shooting might become a "racial situation"
Did they miss the part where two Gomers shot a black dude?*
Did anyone else participate in #irunwithmaud?*
you motivated me. I planted grass today. #isodwithahmaud*
I did, twice - myself in the AM and then Mrs & I did it after dinner. *
just curious, what is the endgame?
Get social media likes from your woke friends*
Some of my AA friends roll their eyes at it*
Does that make you feel better? *
No. You should stop judging peopleís hearts. Iím not judging yours*
you're missing the point*
Explain. Iím listening *
Not all African Americans are alike. They will not think with one mind, even though
My African American friends are not part of a monolithic group.....
I didn't even post it - I just did it *
It's not a protest. It's meant to signal solidarity with the family*
If confirmed that Maud was burglarizing in the neighborhood, would you still participate?*
This isnít a mining town in 1885. Those fukkers should have called police instead of playing army*
If Arbery had been carrying a concealed weapon
right, I love how this is framed as self defense by the *mcmichaels*
incredible article *
adam serwer has become must read*
Iíll answer - I donít care if he was robbing - we canít live in a place where youíre followed
Damn straight, well said*
With you always, my brother*
Wasnít there only a single burglary report in the neighborhood this year?
Is the acceptable penalty for burglary a death sentence by a vigilante who acted as
But you didn't answer my question*
But I did*
I never said it was. I think those guys are stupid for what they did, regardless.*
Our family did*
Itís 40 and raining. So tomorrow weíll walk it.*
Bond Denied for the 2 shooters.....
Defendants: "We thought he was a suspect in a string of recent burglaries..."
Chances they could pick him out of a photo array of young black men?
Thankfully, this similar story out of NC didn't end up with anyone dead
So in these ridiculous citizens arrest situations...
Cuz murica. And toxic masculinity tbh*
I know why these likely racist people are doing it. Iím more just questioning the details of the law
The laws are there because white men write the laws. And white men
I think Dave Chappelle has a bit on how if you want to change gun laws you need
Like the Mulford Act.
And particularly citizens arrest whereby youíre presenting guns as the tool(s) for said ďarrestĒ *
Roughy's a murderer (with an alias to boot!)
DJT was asked about it on FNF this morning.....
UPDATE: Father & son arrested*
from the moment I could talk I was ordered to listen
If they are charging them both I'm not sure why they aren't charging the third man/camera man too.
Is the angle really self defense?
Yep, citizen's arrest and self defense.
For anyone who is looking for any possible reason to acquit...
Citizens arrest for what though?
Allegedly "video exists of Mr. Arbery burglarizing a home immediately preceding the chase and
Was thinking of how many construction sites Iíve roamed as a younger person - many*
I think it's pretty clear he/Arbery initiated the physical confrontation.
per the other board, yes. the kid struggled against the two trucks worth of armed hilljacks,
As an accessory?*
Not sure how his role is much different than the father.*
did he have a gun?*
I believe so. You can hear him fumbling with it when he's impersonating the worst camera man ever*
Fair. If heís a part of the conspiracy, which is the rumor, I agree.*
Sorry, Republican voters *
I don't want to live in a world where it takes a video of a murder, two months, national publicity
there are at least 100 countries in this world you could live in where it doesn't happen*
Good. But long way to go until Justice is served*
Just saw the video. Sick to my stomach that nothing has been done*
What a ####ing failure. Americaís moral highground should be dead.
It is, and has been for a while. Only people unaware are Americans.*
some of us have been aware for a while *
Lebron James posted a strongly worded tweet about racial injustice last night...
Those people should go live in his boyhood home in Akron for a few weeks *
but the trust fund baby with the gold-plated toilets is out there fighting for the working man*
CNN reporter was in the neighborhood filming when semi-automatic fire went off. Obviously they were
I wonder if there is any historical GPS data available for his runs.
ďIf he was up to no goodĒ
is there an explanation why a "stand your ground" law would apply to a person
One of the shooter's friends was the behind the camera? LOL, nice work*
I really wanna know what the thought process was in filming
i think he wanted to film the "arrest". the shooting was not part of the initial plan*
Heís a terrible camera man*
my impression is he was working with the other two yokels to box arbery in*
Yeah, the police report said there was another hilljack in another car working with them*
Another good article explaining GA open carry laws & why an arrest of the shooter(s) is warranted...
Interesting, the commenter Deborah Ausburn is an old friend from Atlanta - as far right as they come
BTW, I've driven past that neighborhood umpteen million times driving between my folks' house and my
Are these two pieces of shit in prison yet *
Rare time the video is even worse than I could ever imagine. WTF*
this is absurd*
LOL at a grand jury. Just get a couple people together and perform a citizens arrest
Excellent informative article. If these dudes donít get indicted, no one can......
It's not even a license for legalized vigilantism. Even a MAGAt could dream up some pretext for
#### those assholes. I hope they rot in hell*
None of what the shooter did makes any sense to me.....
These laws have been a project of the right for decades.
Citizens get to kill someone because the think theyíre a thief
The dad is former law enforcement, iirc
I still want to see their garage*
assistant to the DA*
Itís majorly effed up. What do you think the grand jury will do?
I donít know the law enough to comment *
Lincoln should have let the South secede. *
Just finished reading "The Age of Lincoln". The % of African-Americans who voted in the South in ...
No, when the North won they should have utterly crushed the defeated South,
I mean sometimes I think
only if they are black or brown*
TMZ has the full video. Don't watch if you don't want to see someone shot and killed...
Going to the Grand Jury, so they're not out of the woods yet (assuming the Grand Jury isn't also
They obviously left their hoods at home that day*
Iím guessing Biden knows the complete story....
This is America*
No charges, right?
No charges ó I assume the police saw the video before it was released which makes
Good article about it.....
Two armed hilljacks decide someone is a robbery suspect, and assault him, then kill him,