whole joy vs fun spiel is textbook christian fodder/bullshit. I've heard it before, both in church and from other thumpers. Yet oddly, nowhere else. I've even heard *gasp* that you cant experience true "joy" unless you say you accept christ as your savior. Wow! I'd say that's unbelievable.

If you need to believe in fables in order to have "joy", you're a sick puppy.