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Mysteries I would like solved Posted by Mike on August 12, 2020, 9:23 am I have been thinkIng of the many mysteries we have in our bejewelled world the ones I would like solved most are:- 1. List of the Greville inheritance...complete. 2. Origin of Queen Elizabeth pink stone brooch and confirmation of the stone. 3. Origin of camillas large orange and diamond brooch. The later two items are two of my favourite brooches. What would other like solved? .

Re: Mysteries I would like solved Posted by Mark on August 12, 2020, 10:12 am, in reply to "Mysteries I would like solved" Previous Message I have been thinkIng of the many mysteries we have in our bejewelled world the ones I would like solved most are:- 1. List of the Greville inheritance...complete. 2. Origin of Queen Elizabeth pink stone brooch and confirmation of the stone. 3. Origin of camillas large orange and diamond brooch. The later two items are two of my favourite brooches. What would other like solved? . I would like to see a list of all the jewelry Queen Marie of a Romania sent to Russia for safe keeping during World War I?

Re: Mysteries I would like solved Posted by Beth on August 12, 2020, 5:58 pm, in reply to "Re: Mysteries I would like solved" Sigh! I think we would all jump for joy if a list of Mrs Greville's jewels was released Mike! But, realistically I don't think that is going to happen. Mark, I wonder if Prince Dimitri is going to address the issue of what Queen Marie sent to Russia in his forthcoming book? I think you said the book was due sometime soon. I also think that Csaba might have indicated that such a list or part of the information has already been compiled. Have I remembered that correctly Csaba?

Re: Mysteries I would like solved Posted by Csaba on August 13, 2020, 3:14 am, in reply to "Re: Mysteries I would like solved" Yes, there is an inventory from 1902 in the book with 415 entries and the majority of these jewels cannot be found in documents after the war, so it's safe to say that they were sent in Russia. There were also two testaments of queen Marie, one in 1909 and one in 1912 which should contain all of her jewellery. Previous Message Sigh! I think we would all jump for joy if a list of Mrs Greville's jewels was released Mike! But, realistically I don't think that is going to happen. Mark, I wonder if Prince Dimitri is going to address the issue of what Queen Marie sent to Russia in his forthcoming book? I think you said the book was due sometime soon. I also think that Csaba might have indicated that such a list or part of the information has already been compiled. Have I remembered that correctly Csaba?

Re: Mysteries I would like solved Posted by Mark on August 13, 2020, 9:29 am, in reply to "Re: Mysteries I would like solved" Previous Message Yes, there is an inventory from 1902 in the book with 415 entries and the majority of these jewels cannot be found in documents after the war, so it's safe to say that they were sent in Russia. There were also two testaments of queen Marie, one in 1909 and one in 1912 which should contain all of her jewellery. Previous Message Sigh! I think we would all jump for joy if a list of Mrs Greville's jewels was released Mike! But, realistically I don't think that is going to happen. Mark, I wonder if Prince Dimitri is going to address the issue of what Queen Marie sent to Russia in his forthcoming book? I think you said the book was due sometime soon. I also think that Csaba might have indicated that such a list or part of the information has already been compiled. Have I remembered that correctly Csaba? Is the inventory published in a book? And is the will published?

Mrs Greville's inventory : maybe solved by Vincent on PDV ? Posted by Franck on August 13, 2020, 7:56 pm, in reply to "Re: Mysteries I would like solved" I have been informed by a true friend that a inventory was done by Christie's for probate records (for taxation) after Mrs Greville's death. Maybe an answer : I have read in a very interesting article written by Vincent M in Point de Vue concerning the emerald necklace worn by QEII in December that QEQM had been left 76 jewels by Mrs. Greville. Maybe Mr Meylan had an access to the inventory made by Christie's. Therefore, I would be grateful if our friend could enlighten us about this subject. Franck Previous Message Previous Message Yes, there is an inventory from 1902 in the book with 415 entries and the majority of these jewels cannot be found in documents after the war, so it's safe to say that they were sent in Russia. There were also two testaments of queen Marie, one in 1909 and one in 1912 which should contain all of her jewellery. Previous Message Sigh! I think we would all jump for joy if a list of Mrs Greville's jewels was released Mike! But, realistically I don't think that is going to happen. Mark, I wonder if Prince Dimitri is going to address the issue of what Queen Marie sent to Russia in his forthcoming book? I think you said the book was due sometime soon. I also think that Csaba might have indicated that such a list or part of the information has already been compiled. Have I remembered that correctly Csaba? Is the inventory published in a book? And is the will published?

Re: Mysteries I would like solved Posted by Csaba on August 14, 2020, 5:12 am, in reply to "Re: Mysteries I would like solved" There is a book with the cooperation of the National Archives about the wills of the royals, I don't have it yet. I think I've posted some items from that list, if I have time I'll translate the whole list. Previous Message Previous Message Yes, there is an inventory from 1902 in the book with 415 entries and the majority of these jewels cannot be found in documents after the war, so it's safe to say that they were sent in Russia. There were also two testaments of queen Marie, one in 1909 and one in 1912 which should contain all of her jewellery. Previous Message Sigh! I think we would all jump for joy if a list of Mrs Greville's jewels was released Mike! But, realistically I don't think that is going to happen. Mark, I wonder if Prince Dimitri is going to address the issue of what Queen Marie sent to Russia in his forthcoming book? I think you said the book was due sometime soon. I also think that Csaba might have indicated that such a list or part of the information has already been compiled. Have I remembered that correctly Csaba? Is the inventory published in a book? And is the will published?

Re: Mysteries I would like solved Posted by Mark on August 15, 2020, 12:10 pm, in reply to "Re: Mysteries I would like solved" What’s the title of the book on wills? Sounds interesting. Previous Message There is a book with the cooperation of the National Archives about the wills of the royals, I don't have it yet. I think I've posted some items from that list, if I have time I'll translate the whole list. Previous Message Previous Message Yes, there is an inventory from 1902 in the book with 415 entries and the majority of these jewels cannot be found in documents after the war, so it's safe to say that they were sent in Russia. There were also two testaments of queen Marie, one in 1909 and one in 1912 which should contain all of her jewellery. Previous Message Sigh! I think we would all jump for joy if a list of Mrs Greville's jewels was released Mike! But, realistically I don't think that is going to happen. Mark, I wonder if Prince Dimitri is going to address the issue of what Queen Marie sent to Russia in his forthcoming book? I think you said the book was due sometime soon. I also think that Csaba might have indicated that such a list or part of the information has already been compiled. Have I remembered that correctly Csaba? Is the inventory published in a book? And is the will published?

Re: Mysteries I would like solved Posted by Csaba on August 15, 2020, 5:30 pm, in reply to "Re: Mysteries I would like solved" Previous Message What’s the title of the book on wills? Sounds interesting. Previous Message There is a book with the cooperation of the National Archives about the wills of the royals, I don't have it yet. I think I've posted some items from that list, if I have time I'll translate the whole list. Previous Message Previous Message Yes, there is an inventory from 1902 in the book with 415 entries and the majority of these jewels cannot be found in documents after the war, so it's safe to say that they were sent in Russia. There were also two testaments of queen Marie, one in 1909 and one in 1912 which should contain all of her jewellery. Previous Message Sigh! I think we would all jump for joy if a list of Mrs Greville's jewels was released Mike! But, realistically I don't think that is going to happen. Mark, I wonder if Prince Dimitri is going to address the issue of what Queen Marie sent to Russia in his forthcoming book? I think you said the book was due sometime soon. I also think that Csaba might have indicated that such a list or part of the information has already been compiled. Have I remembered that correctly Csaba? Is the inventory published in a book? And is the will published? 'Testamente Regale' Royal Wills' published in November 2019

Re: Mysteries I would like solved Posted by Franck on August 15, 2020, 6:40 pm, in reply to "Re: Mysteries I would like solved" Thank you so much for your kind answer ! Franck Previous Message What’s the title of the book on wills? Sounds interesting. Previous Message There is a book with the cooperation of the National Archives about the wills of the royals, I don't have it yet. I think I've posted some items from that list, if I have time I'll translate the whole list. Previous Message Previous Message Yes, there is an inventory from 1902 in the book with 415 entries and the majority of these jewels cannot be found in documents after the war, so it's safe to say that they were sent in Russia. There were also two testaments of queen Marie, one in 1909 and one in 1912 which should contain all of her jewellery. Previous Message Sigh! I think we would all jump for joy if a list of Mrs Greville's jewels was released Mike! But, realistically I don't think that is going to happen. Mark, I wonder if Prince Dimitri is going to address the issue of what Queen Marie sent to Russia in his forthcoming book? I think you said the book was due sometime soon. I also think that Csaba might have indicated that such a list or part of the information has already been compiled. Have I remembered that correctly Csaba? Is the inventory published in a book? And is the will published?

I would love to know what happened to her mother's jewels Posted by Janet on August 13, 2020, 10:00 pm, in reply to "Re: Mysteries I would like solved" We know about Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna's fringe tiara (the last appearance was a sale in 1960 by her granddaughter Queen Marie of Yugoslavia) and her Ruby parure (gradually broken up over time) but the rest of her fabulous collection that irked Queen Victoria so much has dissapeared it seems. (Marie of Russia is my all time fave royal and Victoria one of my least ). However she had many other wonderful pieces of jewellery, including what to me is the most beautiful Sapphire parure ever created. It was inherited by her daughter Victoria Melita, so we can assume it was sold or broken up in the 1920s - Queen Mary should have bought it given it was specifically designed at the order of Tsar Alexander II to have the flower emblems of the United Kingdom, it would have been the perfect Sapphire parure for the British royal collection.

Re: Mysteries I would like solved - Queen Maud's alleged Emeralds Posted by Kongetro on August 13, 2020, 7:12 pm, in reply to "Mysteries I would like solved" There are so many mysteries and I would like to have all of them solved (of course) But I know that will not happen, at least not in my life time. But one mystery is maybe closer to my heart than the others and that is the alleged emeralds of Queen Maud of Norway. It has been a subject in our jewel community already (see for instance a discussion on the Royal Jewels of the World Message Board in January´18: https://members2.boardhost.com/royal-jewels/msg/1516972763.html) but without any conclusion I feel (as we do not have for instance any photographic evidence). Still there are so many sources mentioning her emeralds that there must be something in it. Recently I was looking for information on a State Visit during the early reign of King Haakon and again it was mentioned that Queen Maud wore emeralds - this time in a tiara. If you want to read more about the State Visit I have just posted about it on my website: https://regalevents913271078.wordpress.com/blog-2/norway/haakon-vii/1908-french-state-visit-to-norway/ Previous Message I have been thinkIng of the many mysteries we have in our bejewelled world the ones I would like solved most are:- 1. List of the Greville inheritance...complete. 2. Origin of Queen Elizabeth pink stone brooch and confirmation of the stone. 3. Origin of camillas large orange and diamond brooch. The later two items are two of my favourite brooches. What would other like solved? . Kongetro To visit my website Regal Events use this link: https://regalevents913271078.wordpress.com/

Re: Mysteries I would like solved Posted by J-F on August 16, 2020, 12:13 am, in reply to "Mysteries I would like solved" Hummmmmm ! Very interesting ! For my part, I would say : 1-Detailed informations about jewelry share between Queen Victoria's children at her death in 1901 2-Detailed informations about jewelry share by Queen Alexandra's children after her death in 1925. (like who got what ???). 3-Total access to Queen Mary jewels photos inventory 4-Also like Mike Queen Elizabeth pink stone brooch 5-Clearer picture and info about Queen Elizabeth, The Queen Mother long sapphire and diamond sautoir (probably made with wedding gift necklace from Queen Mary 6-What happen to some of Princess Margaret's jewels : Lotus tiara, Teck diamond circle necklace, Turquoise parure. As we saw Kate wearing the tiara, can we think it's back with the Queen ? I doubt The Earl of Snowdon or Lady Sarah Chatto would have lent the tiara ... 7-A detailed list with photos of all the pearl necklaces own by the Queen 8-A detailed list with photos of all the diamond collet necklaces in the Royal collection 9-Clear back views of all the necklaces' clasps. 10-A detailed list of Diana's jewels and who got what (William and Harry). 11-What are the exact provenance of Kate's sapphire and diamond earrings (Diana or not ?) And more and more... So much mysteries Thanks Mike for bringing the topic ! J-F Previous Message I have been thinkIng of the many mysteries we have in our bejewelled world the ones I would like solved most are:- 1. List of the Greville inheritance...complete. 2. Origin of Queen Elizabeth pink stone brooch and confirmation of the stone. 3. Origin of camillas large orange and diamond brooch. The later two items are two of my favourite brooches. What would other like solved? .

Re: Mysteries I would like solved Posted by Dave on August 16, 2020, 4:55 am, in reply to "Re: Mysteries I would like solved" I agree with all of the above J-F. I would love to know where the better half of the Romanov treasure trove ended up or if same is still hidden or in private hands. The Spanish Queen Isabella 2 was pictured in some emeralds that would rival the ones from the Romanov dynasty yet their is no one who could say anything about these very grand jewels, were they lost, or are they still in the possession of the present Spanish royals? I doubt very much we will ever get close to knowing what the Queens, Victoria, Alexandra and Mary really had or where their other unknown jewels went too, the present Queen would also be no different. I think though slimly a future KC may open up the vaults somewhat, as I believe his wife may bring out some of the hidden jewels we so often guess over. Regards, Dave. Previous Message Hummmmmm ! Very interesting ! For my part, I would say : 1-Detailed informations about jewelry share between Queen Victoria's children at her death in 1901 2-Detailed informations about jewelry share by Queen Alexandra's children after her death in 1925. (like who got what ???). 3-Total access to Queen Mary jewels photos inventory 4-Also like Mike Queen Elizabeth pink stone brooch 5-Clearer picture and info about Queen Elizabeth, The Queen Mother long sapphire and diamond sautoir (probably made with wedding gift necklace from Queen Mary 6-What happen to some of Princess Margaret's jewels : Lotus tiara, Teck diamond circle necklace, Turquoise parure. As we saw Kate wearing the tiara, can we think it's back with the Queen ? I doubt The Earl of Snowdon or Lady Sarah Chatto would have lent the tiara ... 7-A detailed list with photos of all the pearl necklaces own by the Queen 8-A detailed list with photos of all the diamond collet necklaces in the Royal collection 9-Clear back views of all the necklaces' clasps. 10-A detailed list of Diana's jewels and who got what (William and Harry). 11-What are the exact provenance of Kate's sapphire and diamond earrings (Diana or not ?) And more and more... So much mysteries Thanks Mike for bringing the topic ! J-F Previous Message I have been thinkIng of the many mysteries we have in our bejewelled world the ones I would like solved most are:- 1. List of the Greville inheritance...complete. 2. Origin of Queen Elizabeth pink stone brooch and confirmation of the stone. 3. Origin of camillas large orange and diamond brooch. The later two items are two of my favourite brooches. What would other like solved? .

Re: Mysteries I would like solved Posted by Mike on August 17, 2020, 9:26 am, in reply to "Re: Mysteries I would like solved" JF you are most welcome. Mike Previous Message Hummmmmm ! Very interesting ! For my part, I would say : 1-Detailed informations about jewelry share between Queen Victoria's children at her death in 1901 2-Detailed informations about jewelry share by Queen Alexandra's children after her death in 1925. (like who got what ???). 3-Total access to Queen Mary jewels photos inventory 4-Also like Mike Queen Elizabeth pink stone brooch 5-Clearer picture and info about Queen Elizabeth, The Queen Mother long sapphire and diamond sautoir (probably made with wedding gift necklace from Queen Mary 6-What happen to some of Princess Margaret's jewels : Lotus tiara, Teck diamond circle necklace, Turquoise parure. As we saw Kate wearing the tiara, can we think it's back with the Queen ? I doubt The Earl of Snowdon or Lady Sarah Chatto would have lent the tiara ... 7-A detailed list with photos of all the pearl necklaces own by the Queen 8-A detailed list with photos of all the diamond collet necklaces in the Royal collection 9-Clear back views of all the necklaces' clasps. 10-A detailed list of Diana's jewels and who got what (William and Harry). 11-What are the exact provenance of Kate's sapphire and diamond earrings (Diana or not ?) And more and more... So much mysteries Thanks Mike for bringing the topic ! J-F Previous Message I have been thinkIng of the many mysteries we have in our bejewelled world the ones I would like solved most are:- 1. List of the Greville inheritance...complete. 2. Origin of Queen Elizabeth pink stone brooch and confirmation of the stone. 3. Origin of camillas large orange and diamond brooch. The later two items are two of my favourite brooches. What would other like solved? .

Re: Mysteries I would like solved - thanks everyone Posted by Mike on August 17, 2020, 9:30 am, in reply to "Re: Mysteries I would like solved" Hi all, Some great mysteries raised. I suspect that we will make some progress on some of these over time. Great reading. Mike Previous Message JF you are most welcome. Mike Previous Message Hummmmmm ! Very interesting ! For my part, I would say : 1-Detailed informations about jewelry share between Queen Victoria's children at her death in 1901 2-Detailed informations about jewelry share by Queen Alexandra's children after her death in 1925. (like who got what ???). 3-Total access to Queen Mary jewels photos inventory 4-Also like Mike Queen Elizabeth pink stone brooch 5-Clearer picture and info about Queen Elizabeth, The Queen Mother long sapphire and diamond sautoir (probably made with wedding gift necklace from Queen Mary 6-What happen to some of Princess Margaret's jewels : Lotus tiara, Teck diamond circle necklace, Turquoise parure. As we saw Kate wearing the tiara, can we think it's back with the Queen ? I doubt The Earl of Snowdon or Lady Sarah Chatto would have lent the tiara ... 7-A detailed list with photos of all the pearl necklaces own by the Queen 8-A detailed list with photos of all the diamond collet necklaces in the Royal collection 9-Clear back views of all the necklaces' clasps. 10-A detailed list of Diana's jewels and who got what (William and Harry). 11-What are the exact provenance of Kate's sapphire and diamond earrings (Diana or not ?) And more and more... So much mysteries Thanks Mike for bringing the topic ! J-F Previous Message I have been thinkIng of the many mysteries we have in our bejewelled world the ones I would like solved most are:- 1. List of the Greville inheritance...complete. 2. Origin of Queen Elizabeth pink stone brooch and confirmation of the stone. 3. Origin of camillas large orange and diamond brooch. The later two items are two of my favourite brooches. What would other like solved? .

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