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King Charles upcoming Coronation and the Queen Consort's choice of jewels
Posted by Dave on February 16, 2023, 12:24 am
With the announcement that the Queen Consort Camilla will debut the over 100 year old former Queen Mary diadem with the late Queen's personal jewels. One wonders what indeed the next Queen in waiting the now PoW will dawn on her royal head.
Maybe we shall see some unknown Greville peices comming out of the vaults on this occasion.
I suspect we will get the usual from the PRPA and the other Royal women both from abroad and the ones at home, but from the rest of the invited guest and aristocracy I'm sure we will have plenty of significant things to debate over.
From what I have seen (and I may have missed something), nothing has been mentioned about the long term status of the Cullinan brooches and whether their use in the Queen's crown is a permanent decision and they will essentially form part of the Crown Jewels in perpetuity or whether they will be removed in due course and returned to The Queen's private collection. In the case of the latter, then a long term solution will need to be found so the crown can be displayed at the Tower of London, I believe the Crown previously had a rock crystal in place of the Koh-I-Noor.
Cullinan 5 was a very popular brooch for the late Queen Elizabeth II and I looked forward to seeing The Queen also wearing it, so I'd be disappointed if it was to remain a permanent feature in the crown.
I'm less fond of the Cullinan 3 and 4 brooch and would prefer to see it reset, maybe as the centre piece of a necklace or Cullinan 3 acting as a drop to a more substantive brooch
There have been lots of press reports of many noble families whose ancestors have attended coronations for centuries not receiving an invite as they have no political role anymore and no personal connection with the Royal family.
I suspect we will see the Duchess of Norfolk and Marchioness of Cholmondeley and a few others given the roles their husbands play in the Royal household and maybe some others with personal connections to the Royal family like the Duchess of Devonshire and the Dowager Duchess of Westminster and probably her daughters, certainly her eldest who is married to one of the King's godchildren.
I doubt there will be dozens of noble women though.
Re: Noble attendance will likely be quite limited...
Then it's really not a Royal house anymore then, noble and aristocratic families exist because of a monarch, if their numbers are limited then their is really no point in hanging onto any of the other cultures and traditions. The status of Dukes, Marquess, Earl, Baron and lord were all given by a reigning monarch to pass from the holder to the heir. But if that's what the advisors and wokedom has done well I guess it's the new normal. I was hoping for the real traditional coronation even without the silk stockings but not to have most of the aristocracy on mass not show up is sad.
Regards,
Dave.
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There have been lots of press reports of many noble families whose ancestors have attended coronations for centuries not receiving an invite as they have no political role anymore and no personal connection with the Royal family.
I suspect we will see the Duchess of Norfolk and Marchioness of Cholmondeley and a few others given the roles their husbands play in the Royal household and maybe some others with personal connections to the Royal family like the Duchess of Devonshire and the Dowager Duchess of Westminster and probably her daughters, certainly her eldest who is married to one of the King's godchildren.
I doubt there will be dozens of noble women though.
Re: Noble attendance will likely be quite limited...
One major difference from previous coronations is the number of guests. In 1953 more than 8000 guests (according to one newspaper article) were seated in Westminster Abbey. Due to fire and safety restrictions, this will never be allowed again, I believe. They have announced there will be approximately 2250 guests, similar to the funeral for Queen Elizabeth.
With only 2250 guests, the selection of guests will be more difficult for the coming coronation than for previous ones. All peers used to be members of the House of Lords, and it was logical to invite them as representatives of a branch of government. Nowadays, most hereditary peers are not members of the House of Lords, and have no formal position in society due simply to their title. There are many other officials who would be more logical to invite to the coronation as representatives of the country: elected MPs, senior government officials, diplomats, Mayors and Lord-Lieutenants from around the country, civic and religious leaders etc. With 800 members of the House of lords and 650 members of the House of Commons, not all members of the Houses of Parliament can be invited, and there won't be room for the spouses of those who are invited.
Thus - I agree with Janet, there will be very few aristocratic ladies wearing grand jewels. Hopefully the dress code will allow for royals, their relatives and other senior ladies to wear tiaras, but compared to previous coronations there won't be many.
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Then it's really not a Royal house anymore then, noble and aristocratic families exist because of a monarch, if their numbers are limited then their is really no point in hanging onto any of the other cultures and traditions. The status of Dukes, Marquess, Earl, Baron and lord were all given by a reigning monarch to pass from the holder to the heir. But if that's what the advisors and wokedom has done well I guess it's the new normal. I was hoping for the real traditional coronation even without the silk stockings but not to have most of the aristocracy on mass not show up is sad.
Regards,
Dave.
Previous Message
There have been lots of press reports of many noble families whose ancestors have attended coronations for centuries not receiving an invite as they have no political role anymore and no personal connection with the Royal family.
I suspect we will see the Duchess of Norfolk and Marchioness of Cholmondeley and a few others given the roles their husbands play in the Royal household and maybe some others with personal connections to the Royal family like the Duchess of Devonshire and the Dowager Duchess of Westminster and probably her daughters, certainly her eldest who is married to one of the King's godchildren.
I doubt there will be dozens of noble women though.
Lots of media are reporting that Her Majesty's canopy, traditionally carried by Duchesses (bedecked in jewels) at past coronations will be carried by the Queen's grandchildren.
I think it is a lovely touch to involve them. It is also illustrative that we simply will not see extensive noble involvement in this Coronation that we saw in 1953.