I originally signed on for Pizers "live and work with other cyros" at Wrightwood and Talwiwi, both failures. IMO, Pizer was using those as purely real estate profit centers by planning to flip them a along, or by having buyers through private sales buy them, default, then repossess them, another money making tactic. The only cryo I "lived and worked with" was Mark Plus. Nobody else ever signed up although Ventureville II in Meyer came close.