Two of the results refer to a problem with surgery but one addresses the memory triggering
http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/dsp.cgi?msg=14091
Scott Badger snip
The biggest problem I see with NDE's is that many of
> the experiences described have been duplicated
> artificially by the likes of Wilder Penfield and his
> electro-stimulation of various regions in the temporal
> region of the brain.
James Swayze recounds his own OOB and NDE lower down in that same post.
I like Scot's suggestion for the paramedic truck and it segue's into my
experience very
nicely. Some may know that I got hurt and became the quadriplegic I am today
from a
fall. I'll forego the the details of how and why I fell to keep this reasonably
short.
It is no secret and I'll gladly share why and how with anyone requesting to
know. What I
remember now of the event and what I remembered just after it and especially
some time
in-between is poignant to this issue. I had two occasions for NDE experiences.
The first
was after impact with the ground the second was a week or so later with a
cardiac
arrest.
Now looking back at the first I distinctly remember the falling and what led to
it and
hitting the ground. BANG like a gunshot to the back of my head was the sound of
the back
of my head and my upper spine impacting the concrete. Then I was out. Gone. Not
aware of
anything. Then suddenly I was awake and could see red and blue light dancing off
the
walls and nearby objects. This was of course the emergency lights of the
paramedic
vehicle. Now I'll move on to the next experience with the cardiac arrest but
will return
to this. I have a reason for this circuitous meander.
I had immediately developed double pneumonia due to the fact the shock to my
spine and
swelling damage had made my lungs not work so well. The medical staff would
insert a
catheter into my nose and make me swallow to get it into my lungs and with this
they
would suction the junk I was incapable of coughing up. The proper procedure was
to apply
suction for a few seconds then give me oxygen to replace air and especially
oxygen that
had just been removed. One day the assistant responsible for applying the oxygen
simply
forgot to. All the air from my lungs was sucked out and it starved my heart
which
promptly objected by stopping. I woke up the next day and was told what
happened.
But wait what about my NDE? There wasn't one. I wouldn't have known I had been
"coded"
if not told so. However, having been told so I did develop a sort of "feeling"
for what
it was like. I recently recounted this for a religious friend of mine that is
prone to
believe NDE's are really spiritual. I said to him it was darkness, close and
comforting,
warm and cozy blacker than black nothingness. The thing is this is what my mind
MADE UP
of the actual lack of an experience. It had to fill in the gap. Lacking any good
memory
of the event the best it could do was develop a feeling. A comforting one at
that.
Now back to the first. It is important to note that my family is deeply
christian. The
why of how I got to where I was deeply concerned them for my "immortal soul", so
to
speak. I had been fiercely independent before this occurred. I was large,
strong,
intelligent and not afraid of anything or anyone. I was all I needed and
especially
didn't need any god. I felt invincible before but now suddenly found myself
definitely
brought low and made vulnerable. There is an additional reason I won't go into
now but
it all added up to my accepting my family's wish for me to convert to
christianity.
Overwhelmed with vulnerability and guilt and grief for what I had put my family
through
I finally relinquished. I only explain this to help understand how this affects
the
first NDE.
Now sometime after the first experience I began to remember the event as though
looking
at it from a third person point of view. I could see myself lying there. To this
day I
could make an accurate drawing, I wager, of the event and the particulars. I can
remember how it felt back then to have this unfolding recollection. I could
reenact it
in my mind. I am floating above looking down at everything. I see the ambulance
and me
sprawled out lying in my mothers arms and suddenly I am back in my body and
watching the
dancing blue and red lights and unable to understand why I feel nothing at all,
not even
pain.
It is important to understand I am very spatial in my thinking. I can see in my
minds
eye anything I wish in full three dimensional detail. I have often done mind
exercises
where I take a walk around my body and look at the back of me from a third
person point
of view. I believe my mind and that of anyone with good spatial skills capable
of taking
partial positional information for familiar objects and extrapolating a
reasonable
facsimile of what otherwise may be out of sight. I believe now that is what my
NDE truly
was. My mind merely filled in gaps under the influence of a new paradigm that
expected
certain activities to exist.
Well that's my experience. Now I have one rhetorical question. How would a
spirit,
having no eyes, see any message placed atop anything for experimental
verification
later? I submit this obvious lack of ability for sensory input should clue
people to
this truly only being an internal experience. No one will ever accurately tell
what has
been placed atop things for this verification. This is because they won't have
that data
to pool with what their minds have gathered of the surroundings beforehand or
expected
common surroundings for the making of their own facsimile.
James
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