Why would Reddit/cryonics mods allow Schisler to constantly insult me with uncivil language and basically be the roughneck bouncer of that forum? The mods in the background don't seem to jump in often but there is evidence they have, although they're all anon too, so I have no idea who they are. Furthermore, BXR seems to be less uncivil since I pointed out his own forum rules to him.
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Here's an email I got at one point years ago on this matter:
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Rick,
You don't know me, but I've been reading your website, and I think you're closer to the truth than you realize about the phony Kim Suozzi story.
Why don't you contact Kim's alleged "boyfriend," Josh Schisler, and see if you can make him confess his participation in this hoax? I've heard he's been unemployed for almost a year now, so someone (David Pizer?) must have been slipping him some cash to play along with this hoax about how Kim Suozzi got frozzi.
Shelley
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I continue: I never contacted Schisler. I DID contact Pizer on this and I recall Dave defending the photo manipulations as neccessary for some reason. Photo manipulation to the degree I saw is never required in non-fiction reporting. If photos have to be manipulated, there should be a note under the photo to indicate that.
If Schisler is BXR, and he was offended by my suspicion of a hoax, I would have to review some of the details of the case like this tidbit:
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In the weeks before her death, Suozzi’s health was still robust enough that the hospice she’d checked into in Scottsdale had asked that she leave “until she became more comatose,” in the words of the Cryonics report. To accelerate her own demise, Suozzi began refusing all food and drink, as Alcor advises members to do when physician-assisted suicide is not a lawful option. Twelve days later she stopped breathing. Summoned by Suozzi’s boyfriend, Alcor’s “stabilization team,” which included staff, volunteers, and a former paramedic, arrived ahead of the hospice nurse. At Alcor’s direction, Suozzi was packed in ice before the hospice nurse arrived to assess her condition and pronounce her death.
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Rick continues: If this is true, it seems to me that Schisler would have participated in Suozzi's decision to refuse food and drink. I don't know about you but I watch detective shows on TV-- the old time ones like Matlock, CSI and Perry Mason. What kind of boyfriend assists his girlfriend in a starvation plan? Who supervised it? Where? Lots of questions. I never got further than fake photos. Here's an example of photo analysis.
http://cryonicscafeteria.blogspot.com/2013/03/more-odd-anomolies-in-joshs-photos-of.html
Interestingly, I only now just see that there's a documentary about Suozzi as of 2020
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Dying To Be Frozen:
The Production of a Cryonics Documentary
Jake McCurdy takes us “behind the scenes” of the making of a
documentary about cryonics, which has the cryopreservation of Kim
Suozzi as its central story.
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source- https://www.alcor.org/docs/cryonics-magazine-2020-04.pdf
Rick continues... In that Alcor article 2020-04, a segment of the account reads:
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The next day, my crew and I had the bittersweet task of filming Kim's last interview and the last wishes and thoughts of her family and friends who had gathered to see her off. A week later she succumed to her illness and was transported to Alcor to have her head cryopreserved.
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Rick continues... So we see family and friends gathered a week before she deanimated. If this is true, I wonder if they're in the movie and I wonder if they're named. I wonder where they gathered. It couldn't have been at the hospice because as I quoted above "the hospice she’d checked into in Scottsdale had asked that she leave “until she became more comatose,” in the words of the Cryonics report." Did Josh and Kim tell the hospice of her plan to withold food/water? Are hospices allowed to participate in that? Which hospice is this near Alcor? I've never been able to determine that.
So at some point, if we analyze this logically, Kim DID become more comatose and yet she was NOT returned to the hospice. Instead, we see this:
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To accelerate her own demise, Suozzi began refusing all food and drink, as Alcor advises members to do when physician-assisted suicide is not a lawful option. Twelve days later she stopped breathing. Summoned by Suozzi’s boyfriend, Alcor’s “stabilization team,” which included staff, volunteers, and a former paramedic, arrived ahead of the hospice nurse.
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Rick continues... so family and friends and the film producer bid Kim adieu a week before she deanimates. That doesn't seem like a coincidence so therefore everyone must have known she intended to suicide herself without a physician by not eating or drinking. Is is possible that Kim was left alone for 12 days? Or was Suozzi's boyfriend monitering her while he ate and drank? It would seem the latter, if my common sense guides me here.
Would she have been a candidate for hospice at some point during the 12 days? Or would the hospice not have had the legal right to supervise food/drink deprivation? So Kim stops breathing, Josh calls Alcor, who arrive before the hospice nurse. So the hospice nurses can do on-site remote check-ins, AFTER being declared dead? Hospice nurses visit deanimated people? Who exactly declared Kim dead? Names? Where is the death certificate? There is a national registry of dead Americans that's pretty accurate but I haven't used it in a long time. It's a good reliable source for questions like this.
If the film maker wanted a blockbuster hit, why didn't he stay for the 12 days of food/drink deprivation and interview her along the way? The account of Tim Leary is more interesting in that regard. Morbid to be sure... but blockbuster nonetheless. Would there have been legal implications? What were the legal implications for Josh possibly having supervised witholding of food and drink? Does anyone know if Kim change her mind after a day of starvation since self-starvation is not pleasant? I tried fasting a few weeks ago to lose some belly fat but I can't stand fasting too long.
Where is the detailed blog about all of this, especially the "Twelve Days of Denial"? Brain cancer is one thing but self-starvation has to be something else indeed. At what point of progression of the brain cancer and debilitation would have qualifed Kim for hospice? I can't find any reference on that but then I've never looked. I could, however, especially now with ChatGPT as an assistant-to-be-double-checked.
I note from the article in Alcor that Mike Darwin declined to be interviewed for the movie. Mike has some pretty deep and morbid ideas about matters of life and death including this nugget: He once argued that infinite torture would be better than deanimation. I can't cite a source, I think it might have been my overhearing Mike at an Alcor conference in 1991. I would have to double check with him so the reader should take this only as a possible quote to be verified. I'm pretty sure that's what his position was because I remember discussion with others on it and my own rejection of it, admiring Mike for his stance, but doubting it. Kim would have had to have that position because denial of food and water is self-torture, brain cancer or not.
Mark, I have to stop myself now because as you can see, I can go on and on and I have a day to tend here. Thanks for the clue!
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