Civilized society is --or WAS-- required for antiaging. Current breakdowns & NWO incivility is death. The anti-agers, life extenders, cryonicists and immortalists NEVER EVER understood or grappled with the idea of a civilized society being a basic prerequisite for extended lives. I tried many times to introduce larger topics related to that into discussions like Cryonet or Extropy but they always got attacked and banned. Now, as a result of the lack of concern with civilized context, we have dangerous evs on the road and toxic injections killing young people. We have a bigger problem than aging going on now.