Reference for the nieve: Edward W. Russell as I pointed to earlier... and Matzke... and Ettinger of course in the final paragraph of Chapt. 4 in Superman. As always, nobody will listen-- no matter. No matter get it? haha. Who else. Larouche. I think I'll invite Larouche to my seance.. my board meeting of dead Classical Superhumanists... harking back to my published article in Cryonics mag in 2000 2nd Qtr.... that only Mike Perry responded to... Mike having responded for some reason yesterday to something I wrote.