Pizer neglected to turn VV into a hospice for cryonics. Mountaingview too. Both wold have made perfect hospices for cryos. Hospice via Medicare startedin in 1986 and really too off under Clinton with full medciare fundingin 1992. I as at Mountainview in 91 as well as tallwiwi... which would have been a great hospice... and vv in 2002 would have worked. There must have been huuuge antipizer faction in cryonics in 2002 for vv to have failed. Mark Plas has to know the whoel story but has disappared.