i always thought an offensive was at best like a 50:50 proposition. Archived Message
Posted by illiniranger on February 19, 2024, 12:38:49, in reply to "Kinda related, We really, really, really need Congress to act. Not just for the money…"
IMO the UKR should have fortified their lines and fought an elastic defense and let Russia wear itself out. UKR lost a lot of good people and equipment on a months long counter offensive that wasn't making any progress. should've pulled the plug on it after two weeks. reading between the lines on Zaluzhny's firing, i think Zelensky and political pressure kept them charging ahead into Russian defenses despite no headway. As to the reason it didn't work, UKR attacked into heavily defended positions without artillery or air superiority. not a great idea, especially combined with weak staff work. Previous Message but to signal Putin. I can only hope Turner was trying to do something about that. Also, I don’t know if you saw awhile ago, but I was wrong. I think i missed tow big things. First how much the Russian serfs can take. It’s a backwards culture for the czar, but it does have some utility. Second, I thought the UA could put together larger operations. Whether that was lack of air, mines, drones, or still suffering from Soviet era doctrine, the fact remains the multiple brigade sized attacks just didn’t materialize. Now we are in a phase of a contest of political will while round 4 develops. Previous Message they have shot down 5 or 6 high quality Russian fighters in the last few days including some really long range shots. one thing that worked well for Russia in Avdiivka was they finally got their tactical air force into the fight dropping ordnance on UKR positions in the city. I would guess this is a UKR response to that. not sure how long they will continue to have the Patriots this far forward, they've apparently shot some planes down that were flying over the Black Sea, so that is getting the Patriot *really* far forward and putting it at risk. Previous Message What's stopping this from happening to our ships in the Middle East?
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Message Thread:
- Ukraine related question, with Ukraine sinking another Russian ship with a drone boat - reggiedunlop February 14, 2024, 13:48:17
- Medvedev says Russian will commit suicide if they don’t get to have Ukraine. - doubledown February 19, 2024, 18:57:16
- it appears the UKRs have moved Patriot pretty close to the front line - illiniranger February 19, 2024, 12:29:41
- wait.. what's his call sign? - ECEIllinois February 17, 2024, 20:36:11
- Avdiivka, Longtime Stronghold for Ukraine Falls to Russians. - gullit February 17, 2024, 14:18:32
- Answer: American ships have defenses. See the Houthi attacks in the Red Sea* - timmer February 14, 2024, 15:01:34
- speaking of Ukarine, ranger and others - bigbop85 February 14, 2024, 14:52:20
- We are 'merica, they are Russia - Stu February 14, 2024, 14:45:42
- Dark Brandon* - GMAW February 14, 2024, 13:49:18
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