and I do respect you. I also understand the 'ick' factor toward 'secret police'. However, you don't live here right now - or at least that is the gist I have caught in the last few months of watching/participating in conversations here on these boards - and I am not sure that you have a clear frame of reference to what is actually happening here - you aren't going to get it through main stream media. Until you have stood in line at a convenience store that is in the middle of nowhere (in other words, a long way from a city) behind an MS-13 member - and I have - it does not exactly hit home what is happening here. It does not take much to understand that we are flooded with less than desirable people - not only gang members but terrorists. The best of the best that probably would have been welcome citizens here have self deported - they were lead here under a misconception - now they follow the rule to leave. Others are here for reasons that are not aligned with 'bettering their life' or a J.O.B.

What would be an acceptable means to remove them? What level of tragedy do we need to reach before the job that ICE is trying to accomplish can be appreciated?