Here's some more rightist media with facts that will likely not be disputed.
Posted by TW on August 4, 2025, 12:04 pm Valued Poster
Disputed with any meaningful evidence anyway. Hamas propaganda wouldn't be considered meaningful considering their record for telling the truth ever.
BTW, by and large, most National Review writers don't care too much for Trump either. They are pretty good at printing the facts though.
Trump Is Right to Point the Finger at Hamas for Gaza Woes
By: The Editors
From the start of Israel’s war against Hamas, there have been dire warnings of imminent famine in Gaza that have proven false.
In November 2023, just over a month after the October 7 massacres, United Nations World Food Programme director Cindy McCain told CBS that Israel’s effort to destroy Hamas had already put Gaza “on the brink of famine.” By February 2024, no famine had occurred, but the United Nations put out a statement claiming that “at least” 576,000 Gazans, or about a quarter of the population of the strip, were “one step away from famine.” A few months later, two U.N. agencies warned that “over one million people — half the population of Gaza — are expected to face death and starvation (IPC Phase 5) by mid-July [of 2024].”
Israel’s many enemies have a huge incentive to promote the idea that Israel is using starvation as a tool of warfare. The New York Times, along with most major media outlets throughout the world, turned a photo of a skeletal toddler in Gaza, Mohammed Zakaria al-Mutawaq, into a rallying cry against the supposed Israeli policy of starvation. But the outlets did not report that the boy was born with a muscular disorder, which helped explain his sickly appearance, and they did not print part of a photo that showed his healthy-looking brother beside him. Days after the deception was exposed, the New York Times, which ran the photo on the front page, quietly updated the story, but only after the original photo had been spread around the world.
All that said, it does appear the humanitarian situation has now become more serious. Amit Segal, an Israeli journalist who has been skeptical of prior claims of mass starvation, has pointed to research showing the rising price of flour in Gaza and concluded that this time, “Gaza may well be approaching a real hunger crisis.” Other credible sources have concluded the same.
Even facing a hostile population, Israel has gone to incredible lengths to try and help feed Gaza. In terms of sheer amount of supplies, it’s an effort on par with the Berlin airlift. The current operation, though, has faced barriers created by the United Nations and Hamas. When the U.N. and its affiliated groups were in charge of food distribution, its supplies routinely ended up in control of Hamas, which hoarded aid for its own fighters and also sold it on the black market to raise money for its war against Israel.
Israel, seeking a way to get aid directly to the people without inadvertently helping to fund the terrorist group, helped put together the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation along with the United States. In the face of many challenges and threats from Hamas, the group has distributed about 100 million meals since launching in May. The new system for distributing food has created a cash crunch for Hamas, which is now struggling to pay its fighters.
However, despite its efforts, GHF was never intended to completely replace all food distribution programs, only to supplement them. Unfortunately, because the U.N. refuses to cooperate with the GHF, it has at times allowed hundreds of truckloads’ worth of aid to pile up inside Gaza without distributing them. As David Makovsky, a scholar at the Washington Institute for Near East Policy, has pointed out, according to its own data, when it has made deliveries in recent months, an incredible 87 percent of U.N. trucks have been “intercepted” — i.e., looted either by people seeking aid or armed gangs seeking to steal the aid. The U.N. has cited this as a reason why aid has been allowed to pile up undelivered at times, though it also has opposed the IDF protecting the routes. There have been incidents in which the IDF has fired warning shots to disperse mobs surrounding aid trucks, resulting in casualties. This has been used by Israel’s critics to make the unfounded claim that Israel is using the promise of aid as a trap to purposely kill off civilians.
Hamas, meanwhile, has long demonstrated that it is willing to put its own population at risk knowing that the world will always blame Israel for any suffering that occurs. It’s telling that as international criticism of Israel spiked over starvation claims, Hamas dug in further in cease-fire negotiations, rejecting a deal that would have freed the hostages and put both sides on a path to ending the war. There is no reason for Hamas to make concessions if it believes deteriorating conditions in Gaza will force Israel’s hand without the terrorist group having to do anything. The U.K., in a statement on Tuesday, threatened Israel with recognizing Palestinian statehood at the U.N. in September if things don’t change. Why would Hamas negotiate if it believes it can hold out a bit longer and advance the cause of Palestinian statehood, which its leaders have spoken about as an intermediary step in their efforts to eliminate Israel?
Also on Tuesday, the Arab League, for the first time, condemned the October 7 attacks and called on Hamas to give up its arms and release all the hostages, albeit with the usual poison pill of a Palestinian state and a “right of return” to Israel.
Trump, who is clearly growing frustrated and angry about the conditions in Gaza, has been right to forcefully speak out against moves to reward Hamas by recognizing a Palestinian state, and to point the finger where it belongs. On Thursday morning, with his envoy Steve Witkoff in Israel for talks about a cease-fire and the situation in Gaza, Trump posted on Truth Social: “The fastest way to end the Humanitarian Crises in Gaza is for Hamas to SURRENDER AND RELEASE THE HOSTAGES!!!” If the rest of the world were to echo this statement, rather than attacking Israel, there’d be a better chance for a deal to end the war and allow more aid to reach the people of Gaza.
Israel IS starving Gaza. They have prevented supplies being delivered there for months at a time. Then letting some few and claiming that Hamas stole them. Hey, maybe do/did. It wouldn't surprise me at all. However, the Palestinian people are suffering!
Aid agencies report that aid can't get through and their people being killed while delivering supplies. Are they liars too?
Israel is hardly blameless. Hamas too. But innocent children, women, old folks are ALL paying the price!
I don't believe they are. It has been reported that they've fired shots in the air
to dissuade looting. I think it has been reported that Hamas has posed as Israelis soldiers for propaganda purposes. That Hamas has even shot their own people. Which would not be a surprise. Allah sorts it all out and those shot and killed get an early trip to paradise.
Ph? So Hamas has multiple stolen uniforms that they wear to shoot at Palestinians in public??
I just don't understand why some can't do it. I've been critical of their actions since 1980, since the invasion of Lebanon and the murders at Sabra and Chatila camps. I realized then that they weren't God's Chosen..-greenman
It appears a report surfaced about an Israeli plan to release a limited number of crocodiles into the Jordan, with intent to discourage Palestinian "theft" of water for essentials like cooking and bathing. The Israel government already has a "crocodile farm" established for this purpose.
Timing of this discovery considering the notorious American Alligator Alcatraz is suspicious. Alligator Alzatraz is located in a portion of the Everglades where the American crocodile exists. These animals are larger, more powerful, and more dangerous than alligators. The American crocodile is comparable to the Nile crocodile, which is also the animal Israel has in its breeding facility for possible use in Jordan River security.
TW, your shameless persistent defense of the felon's policies and allies not only indicates your susceptibility to cult leadership and pressures, but the likelihood you will need some kind of "deprogramming" when this madness is finally over.
There is nothing conservative about policies of the felon, his attached male anglerfish, Authoritarian of Israel, or you. You can look away from a painting, but you can't listen away from a symphony
I'm not sure what all you think I'm defending. I don't care for Trump as a
Posted by TW on August 5, 2025, 9:38 am, in reply to "As the spin spins" Valued Poster
person at all. I'd have to say he has accomplished some good thus far, and there's a lot of what he's doing that the final verdict is still out on.
Trump is not a conservative. He's more like a Democrat in many ways.
Don't judge me just because I prefer him over the vacuous and empty-headed Kamala. I didn't like either of them, but it was what we were stuck with. Both parties screwed up royally when they left us with those 2.
The Democrats are tanking now like they've never tanked. So I guess attacking Trump is all you are left with. You certainly cannot tout the Democrats in any way, shape, or form at the present time. I've got no problem with some of the attacks on Trump. The unhinged stuff is over the top. But I guess I understand it.
Harris was and is not vacuous. Neither is Walz. I listened to the substance of what they said, just as I listened to the Felon. He has done zero good for the country. He has done massive harm to the country. He left Biden with a $4.5 trillion deficit. Biden's budgets reduced that deficit to $1.2 trillion. The felon's BBB adds $4.5 trillion back to the current deficit.
He and Musk reducted spending through DOGE, gutting and firing SPECIALISTS. It is said the felon wants to replace those specialists with loyal sycophants who will cut corners and cook numbers to make the felon look good. All have at a bare minimum, to be trained, and that is costly down time. Once they know their jobs, they will still function in a slow mode as they won't be fully familiar or competent. Worse is their supervisors won't know either because they're all new too.
This is the perfect model for INEFFICIENCY! Don't you get that?
The felon went bankruot six times; last resolved in 2016 just before he announced his presidential intentions. Of course he announced that then, because he was essentially BROKE.
The presidency not only became his next grift, but he was handed in thanks to his corrupt SCOTUS immunity from prosecution in which he can and will hide indefinitely because he considers everything he does as official presidential duties. His taking sh!ts in the morning is immune! That's how he, a lifeflong criminal and convicted felon views it.
You cannot possibly be more mistaken in your assessment of this problem.
The felon's firing the Stats director because he didn't like the numbers, and called them fake, is the worst yet, because if he gets his way, in order to look good, his departments will produce false data that puts every other American business at risk. Do you have the slightest clue how businesses will respond to false data on which their corporate plans are based? They can't be sure of anything! This is equivalent to driving an Interstrate blindfolded. You can look away from a painting, but you can't listen away from a symphony
He made a huge mistake firing Erika McEntarfer, the commissioner of
the Bureau of Labor Statistics. At the outset it sounded wrong to me and consequently after reading numerous articles, many in National Review, I found that there is quite a bit of consensus on that action. Trump screwed up in the opinions of most.
A snip I found that was excerpted from the Wall Street Journal, written by columnist Allysia Finley.
Mr. Trump sniffs a deep-state conspiracy. “Today’s Jobs Numbers were RIGGED in order to make the Republicans, and ME, look bad,” the president huffed on Truth Social. Where’s the evidence? There is none.
The BLS commissioner has traditionally been a nonpartisan post, and the Senate confirmed Ms. McEntarfer 86-8 last year. Yet Mr. Trump asserted, again without evidence, that Ms. McEntarfer “faked the Jobs Numbers before the Election to try and boost Kamala’s chances of Victory” and revised down the numbers after the election by 818,000. Also false.
The truth is that the jobs numbers have become more volatile in recent years because of declining business survey response rates. It’s similar to the problem political pollsters face getting representative samples. And Mr. Trump’s trade and immigration policies may be making monthly data less reliable.
It helps to understand how the BLS produces its monthly jobs report. The bureau surveys some 631,000 workplaces by a variety of media, including phone, web and even fax. Many businesses don’t respond every month, but the BLS continues to collect data and revise its findings over the next two months.
The survey’s overall response rate has declined to 43% from 60% before the pandemic, and small businesses are less likely than bigger ones to respond, especially in the first month. The jobs estimate can also be off in either direction by 136,000 in any given month because of statistical chance. Such variations tend to even out over several months.
As is readily apparent, Trump attacks anyone not promoting the Trump agenda. Whether it makes sense or not. One of many reasons I have no use for the man.
On the rest of your post, we'll just have to disagree in many instances.
What's the difference between debt and deficit? Why does it matter?
Naturally, lying Zionists want to make it about 'Oct. 7,' as if that event started EVERYTHING, and hope that by constantly calling Hamas 'terrorists' they can excuse their own oppression and atrocities.
Of course Hamas sucks. All they do is start mini-wars and get their people killed, then whine and sob to the int'l community.
Trump, like most America Presidents, takes Israel's side. This is a mistake we've made since 1948.-greenman
on August 4, 2025, 12:04 pm
