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THIS THREAD IS NOW LOCKED...By the way Ken. You don't need to hide. You can post. Posted by Sia on August 24, 2025, 5:54 pm I didn't delete your log in because you did not break any rules here so did not deserve it, unlike how you treated me and greenman This message is locked.

Some observations and a request Posted by dancing digits on August 28, 2025, 2:28 pm, in reply to "By the way Ken. You don't need to hide. You can post." 1. Everyone involved has strong feelings on the issue. 2. No one is apt to change their mind. 3. Everyone has had the opportunity to have their say and has taken it. 4. This is an odd board to be disputing grievances on. So can we please shut down this thread and/or move it to the Back Alley and go back to our regular way of doing things on this board? This is not a criticism of anyone. It's just that I, personally, prefer the board the way it was. Thanks for taking the time to read this. Be the change. . . This message is locked.

Yes, of course. I don't like it this way here either and provided space Posted by Sia on August 28, 2025, 2:51 pm, in reply to "Some observations and a request" for this kind of arguing on the other board for that very reason. It is my fault that I LET it get out of hand here. I was waiting for Ken to give his final post but it is long enough so wait so I'll lock it now. This message is locked.

Thank you! Posted by dancing digits on August 28, 2025, 2:55 pm, in reply to "Yes, of course. I don't like it this way here either and provided space" Be the change. . . This message is locked.

Thank you. Now please just leave me alone like you previously agreed to. Posted by Ken C on August 27, 2025, 2:10 pm, in reply to "By the way Ken. You don't need to hide. You can post." Sia, I have not posted anything at all to you or about you in 2025 (until now). I ignored several attacks from you without responding on any board. I have not been trying to "annoy" you, I have been trying to ignore you. I have been trying to show you that were wrong about me and I do want peace between all our boards. I realize I posted something about you last year that you were troubled by. I apologize for upsetting you. I only posted that because I was sad and confused about what you did to me. I mainly posted that thing because I wanted to get a second opinion from people on a board that I don't run. I'm sorry that upset you. That was all last year. I have not posted anything at all to you or about you this year (until now). Now please just leave me alone like you agreed to here: https://civilizeddiscussion.boardhost.com/viewtopic.php?pid=5751#p5751 https://mb.boardhost.com/ReligionAndEthics/ https://mb.boardhost.com/MysteriesUniverse/ This message is locked.

An agreement that happened more than a MONTH before you dished up a ban on me for something I said Posted by Sia on August 27, 2025, 7:49 pm, in reply to "Thank you. Now please just leave me alone like you previously agreed to." to you PRIVATELY via email that you didn't like. It was NOT posted on your board or on mine, so WHY did you feel that it was appropriate to give me a 6 week time out from R&E? I helped you for YEARS and always respected your rules. I NEVER criticized you on your board and until you started the manipulation trying to silence greenman and Mugwump in thr Back Alley by insisting I shut it down, I rarely criticized you at all. Even when I began to,, I did so only in the Back Alley where you did not need to go to if it upset you that much. I was furious about you posting your requests/demand that I shut down the board on R&E and on mongo's board, but THEN you did THAT 6 week vacation thing? Sorry, any agreement you think that I made to you back in August of 2024 became meaningless at that point. Besides, you don't get to dictate terms that others are supposed to agree to else you'll get all angry and throw them to the wolves, especially when they didn't ask you for your opinion. This is the solution that I'm good with, the same one that I offered a YEAR ago. DON'T READ THERE and you'll have nothing to complain about. I DON'T post anything on your boards, including anything about you or how you run them so what is it that you think I owe you? To never speak about anything that might upset you? Sorry if that still upsets you but you don't HAVE to deliberately choose to read. I don't email you or even post on your boards now, so WHY are you constantly checking what is posted there when it upsets you SO much? YOU caused greenman to hate you the way he does by constantly banning him for things that other posters routinely do and banning him for life because he hurt your feelings. Was that fair? Why do you think he is SO angry? EDIT: I don't hate you. I simply no longer trust you and when I recall your hateful attack on me on mongo's board, stating that you should have previously believed the lies that he tells about me were actually true, then I get very angry and upset all over again! Thank you for your apologies but it was a very hurtful betrayal not easily forgotten and I just can't and don't trust you now. So coming here and starting up your attempts to stop me or anyone else from criticizing you somewhere you have no reason to even look at (the Back Alley) just makes me even angrier. I don't believe you that your choice to make your new politics board look EXACTLY like this one isn't just to annoy me. Of course it is! WHY would you match every color and font exactly?? WHO does that? NO ONE! This message is locked.

For clarity sake, it should be noted that this began when you Posted by Sia on August 28, 2025, 1:36 am, in reply to "An agreement that happened more than a MONTH before you dished up a ban on me for something I said" repeatedly and endlessly hounded me to shutter the other board, or to give you a DNR against greenman and Mugwump to shut them up from criticizing you (when DNRs do not exist anywhere but on R&E), or to make an overall rule there so that you, your boards, and everyone who posts on them, being off-limits. I explained why I couldn't do that multiple times, but you'd come back in a few days to start it all over again. I was quite annoyed but still didn't attack you. In fact, I didn't post anything negative against you until AFTER you chose to post you "question" on R&E and then mongo's board. You had to know what would follow! Then, to add insult to injury, you posted that mongo was "right about me" and that you should have listened to him all along because I was everything he (fslsely) accused me of! All because I wouldn't do what you wanted me to do. I NEVER made demands on you about your boards even when I disagreed with decisions you made there. I NEVER attacked you for it either here, there, or anywhere. So that was a pure betrayal and you did it because scott encouraged you. You threw me to the wolves after years if always helping you because I refused to close one of my boards and to silence those who were angry about how they'd been treated by you on your board. That was bad enough, but later on giving me a totally unfair 6 week ban for expressing my anger and disappointment with you via email sealed it. I have NO intentions of doing or saying anything against you on your or anyone else's board, so relax already! STOP looking for problems by constantly reading comments in the Back Alley. I still don't know why you keep going there when it upsets you as much as you say it does! Obviously, I'm still injured by what you did and don't want your hounding of me to start up again. So stop pushing and I'll eventually have less and less to say about that and about you. This message is locked.

I am not "hounding" you. I went for over 8 months without posting to/about you. Posted by Ken C on August 28, 2025, 4:26 am, in reply to "For clarity sake, it should be noted that this began when you" I went for over 8 months without posting anything at all to you or about you. I was trying to be patient. I saw several attacks by you directed at me, and I ignored them all. I did that for over 8 months. I am only posting about this now because you started this thread that is addressed to me. I don't understand why you would accuse me of "pushing". You posted something saying you wanted peace between boards, but then you unfriended me for posting a "peace discussion". That still makes me feel sad and confused. https://mb.boardhost.com/ReligionAndEthics/ https://mb.boardhost.com/MysteriesUniverse/ This message is locked.

EDIT-Oh, and that is NOT why I unfriended you! It was because you decided to Posted by Sia on August 28, 2025, 10:02 am, in reply to "I am not "hounding" you. I went for over 8 months without posting to/about you. " take it to both your and mongo's boards to pressure me more by inviting everyone to weigh in! You had to know how THAT would turn out! Not once did you acknowledge that I explained to you repeatedly why I couldn't give you a special DNR exemption or that I'd answered you multiple times. You simply refused to take no for an answer and hounded me and then posted it ANYWAY after I warned you not to! EDIT: I didn't criticize you personally or R&E at all after you said it made you feel bad because that was fair and you were right, but then you kept trying to make me silence EVERYONE ELSE, which wasn't reasonable. You have rules on your board that you think everyone else must have too. Did you hound Woodbine and mongo to use your rules too? NO. This message is locked.

You hounded me to close the Alley or give you a special DNR for 8 MONTHS last year!! Posted by Sia on August 28, 2025, 7:57 am, in reply to "I am not "hounding" you. I went for over 8 months without posting to/about you. " Over and over again pushing for me to silence other people's voices when all you had to do was STOP LOOKING there! The entire purpose there was to have almost no rules, a space to have your say, and not to go there if you couldn't handle it! People get really angry sometimes and having that space allowed them to blow off steam. THIS board didn't allow THIS CRAP or attacks on you or anyone else. This stops NOW. I know where it is going and I'm not doing it AGAIN! This message is locked.

This is a copy of your original post where you said you want peace between the forums. Posted by Ken C on August 28, 2025, 3:17 am, in reply to "For clarity sake, it should be noted that this began when you" You previously accused me of having trouble with Social cues or something. That's a valid complaint. So it would help me if you could clarify what you meant in this old post. Was any of it sarcastic? Idealistic? Rhetorical? Were there some obvious exceptions that you left out and that I missed? Can you understand why I would request a peace agreement after you posted this comment about peace? You posted this on the back alley on 1/22/2024 8:06 pm. This seems like the starting point of this whole misunderstanding. https://civilizeddiscussion.boardhost.com/viewtopic.php?pid=5290#p5290 I don't know anyone who doesn't "want peace" between the forums. Have you seen ANY OF US try to start something with mongo?? NOPE. We simply react to and laugh at HIS ATTEMPTS to "start something" between forums. He says horrible things about yours and ours... ALL THE TIME. We don't even mention him and ignore half of his attempts to cause trouble, of which there are MANY. Other times we laugh at him while noting his absolute idiocy in attempting to get all of us riled up. Most of the time, even his own minions ignore him... All but GOG, who absolutely LOVES to get into the middle of squabbles while kissing mongo's butt. It's just sad... That said, I have LOTS of ill will and animosity against mongo, with GOOD REASON. However, I have NO intention to get into wars with him or wasting my time/energy wishing evil to befall him, UNLIKE how he behaves towards me and others here. I NEVER start anything with him, never have. It is ALWAYS him who starts crap and who isn't content to have peace. He WANTS interboard wars. That's what he's wanted and gone after since the day I met him and surely long before that. https://mb.boardhost.com/ReligionAndEthics/ https://mb.boardhost.com/MysteriesUniverse/ This message is locked.

Thanks for the long thoughtful replies... This is the original peace request I emailed you in 2024: Posted by Ken C on August 28, 2025, 2:52 am, in reply to "For clarity sake, it should be noted that this began when you" I never asked you to shut the back alley. I even clarified that in an old post somewhere in the back alley. I acknowledged that Mondo was still attacking you, and you needed a place to respond to his attacks. I never asked for any DNR with Mugwump. I never even complained about Mugwump. This is a long complex issue, so I will need to spread my replies out into multiple posts. I am not trying to "start up" anything. You are the one who started this thread that was addressed to me. So here is my copy of the peace request I emailed you on 01/25/2024 We need to have an important discussion about peace between our two forums. First I see my helper already removed the post that you emailed me about. I would have deleted it if she didn't. I saw your post about interboard wars here: https://civilizeddiscussion.boardhost.com/viewtopic.php?pid=5290#p5290 Do you really want peace between our forums? For over 4 years my forum and people on my forum have been bashed on your back alley, while I have not retaliated and I have not allowed anyone on my forum to bash your blue board. For over 4 years I have been lied about, harassed and verbally abused by greenman on your forum. I have never retaliated by saying anything bad about you or your forum. I have never said anything nasty or abusive to greenman. I don't allow anyone on R&E to bash any other forums or people on other forums. Your forum hash bashed many of my posters. This is very unfair and one sided. I'm even afraid you may be driving people away from my forum. Would it upset you if I tried to drive people away from your forum? Can you understand how this would upset me? Can you try to see this from my point of view? On the blue board where you have the links to my forums, I am listed as a "Friend" . I feel like I have not been treated as a "friend". This upsets me. Your post about Mondo says: "It is ALWAYS him who starts crap and who isn't content to have peace. " Don't you see that you and your posters have been starting crap with R&E for about 4 years, while I have stayed out of it and not allowed anyone to retaliate? I request a peace treaty between our forums. I will continue to not allow posters to bash the blue board or posters on the blue board. I request that you reciprocate and not allow anyone to bash the yellow board or people on the yellow board. You could still do all that bashing and complaining by email. You and your friends in the back alley can set up a group email. You could discuss other forums with each other in private. We can't stop the war in Ukraine. We can't stop the war in Middle East. All we have control over is our personal lives and our forums. Please let us have peace between our two forums. Please agree to my peace treaty. You are welcome to share this email with your assistant moderators. https://mb.boardhost.com/ReligionAndEthics/ https://mb.boardhost.com/MysteriesUniverse/ This message is locked.

Once again, it's everyone's fault but yours. Posted by greenman on August 28, 2025, 7:24 am, in reply to "Thanks for the long thoughtful replies... This is the original peace request I emailed you in 2024:" And you want control over others' actions on boardhost. Just can't stand it when people don't jump at your beck and call like we did in the old days, can you? Control those zoos you call 'boards.' There's a job for you. Don't tell others how to run theirs. -greenman This message is locked.

Do all here understand now why I "formally" reminded you not to be dissing Ken on THIS board? Posted by Sia on August 28, 2025, 11:14 am, in reply to "Once again, it's everyone's fault but yours." Not calling you out here, please don't misunderstand my motive. I am just taking the opportunity to show EVERYONE why criticism about him and other boards shouldn't be posted HERE. Part of my "defense" for having the Back Alley is because that is where criticism actually belongs so this board remains "clean". That way no one has to see anything that may offend them personally while participating or reading because it doesn't belong here, as agreed to from the beginning of the twin Blue boards. I kept pointing out to Ken that what he asked for in not allowing attacks against him was maintained here where it was reasonable since civil discussion is expected. It is not expected in the Alley where he or anyone offended never had to be exposed to if it upset them. This thread is a major failure on my part to do that. Ken should not have responded as he did here and I should have shut this type of discussion down when it began. That is on me, not you. That said, this entire thread needs to be shut down so the standards our mod team agreed to follow can be restored and all the ugliness can return to only the Alley. This message is locked.

I would've said NOTHING Posted by greenman on August 28, 2025, 12:16 pm, in reply to "Do all here understand now why I "formally" reminded you not to be dissing Ken on THIS board?" But Ken - and then you - came out and made a fight of this on the Blue board, and NOT in the Back Alley, which seems to get Ken's panties all in a bunch. Oops! Did that comment offend someone? Who do I have to apologize to now? What are the rules again?? -greenman This message is locked.

No one! You dont owe an apology at all! Obviously I was unclear. Posted by Sia on August 28, 2025, 1:02 pm, in reply to "I would've said NOTHING" I was referring to the other day when I posted an admin post about not doing this here, NOT BLAMING YOU for anything at all. The blame is MINE for failing to keep it off this board. That is what I wrote and I tried to point out why I'd said something 2 days ago about posting anything about Ken here. Apologies for the misunderstanding. This message is locked.

It's OK Posted by greenman on August 28, 2025, 1:45 pm, in reply to "No one! You dont owe an apology at all! Obviously I was unclear. " I apologize for stirring it up; my intent was only to criticize Ken for coming over here with this AGAIN. Please don't take it as a criticism of you, that was not intended.i -greenman This message is locked.

Good enough! That works for me. Posted by Sia on August 28, 2025, 2:47 pm, in reply to "It's OK" Going forward, please remember that I often mess up what I'm trying to say by not being as clear as I think I am and can therefore be misunderstood as a result. It is a pattern that we seem to have for some reason where we end up at odds because of misunderstandings between us. Maybe because you can't see my visual cues so my naked words don't properly convey my real intent? IDK, but you're not the only one it happens with. So I think it is because sometimes my words give the wrong impressions and I don't know it because I know what I actually mean so don't pick up on it not being clear or a poorly chosen wording? My daughters scold me sometimes for inadvertently upsetting my SiL's Mom because my words came off differently than I meant them. It occasionally happens with others too when I am totally teasing about something, laughing as I write it, and accidentally injure someone's feelings because they thought I was serious. In person would clarify it, but named words really don't. So please just give me a chance to clarify before getting angry about something because, honestly, I am NEVER trying to upset or attack you, so just assume that and ASK me what I meant if something tweaks you. I'm really trying to do better with that and often write novellas just trying to be sure I am understood. Does that work for you? This message is locked.

Please reread the whole post so you can see that I accepted full blame. Posted by Sia on August 28, 2025, 1:09 pm, in reply to "No one! You dont owe an apology at all! Obviously I was unclear. " This message is locked.

Aww, Kenniboi, you're such a victim. Posted by greenman on August 27, 2025, 3:15 pm, in reply to "Thank you. Now please just leave me alone like you previously agreed to." Please tell us more of your suffering so we can laugh harder..lolol ps - your boards stink -greenman This message is locked.

If he's a welcome member, I am unwelcome. Posted by greenman on August 24, 2025, 6:28 pm, in reply to "By the way Ken. You don't need to hide. you are welcome to post" You really lack any kind of sense at all, don't you? Jesus F'ing Christ. Just to get back at me for criticizing his crappy board. I'm out for awhile. I know when I've been flipped off. You have a good little time with Kenniboi - the guy you talk sh!t about all the time, hypocrite. ps - that's your cue to act outraged and say 'But I can't UNDERSTAND why you SAY THOSE AWFUL THINGS! lolol -greenman This message is locked.

Deep breath. I fail to see why you think this is some kind Posted by Trish on August 25, 2025, 1:11 pm, in reply to "If he's a welcome member, I am unwelcome." of "got ya" moment. Ken hasn't posted here thus far, but seems to be observing. Fine. I think I'd prefer to see a perceived "enemy" out in the open. I also do not think this situation will EVER remedy itself. Sia is pissed at Mondo, and rightly so. She is very unhappy with Ken's treatment, but I give her credit for trying to be a bigger person. You are furious with both Ken and Mondo, but that feud has been exploding for years now. I know immediately what a post is going to say just by the header. Rinse, wash, repeat. So here's my question. Why keep fueling it if you know nothing is going to change? Mondo will be mondo, snitty, uppity, and ill-willed. Ken is, well, broken for better words. Sia provided a place where we can avoid the trolls, and I am thankful for that. We all have our triggers, but the true test is how we respond to them. I think we have much better things to discuss than the behavior of people who have not changed one iota in years. YMMV This message is locked.

Thank you for your open question, Trish. Posted by greenman on August 25, 2025, 2:18 pm, in reply to "Deep breath. I fail to see why you think this is some kind" I very much appreciate honest questions, however pointed. I felt that Sia combined a simple request to me - 'Please don't post this here' - with an invitation to Ken to post here as much as he wanted. It rubbed me the wrong way, both because I consider Ken a slimeball and because she KNOWS that, and yet encouraged him. I'll never forgive Ken for stabbing me in the back a couple of years ago. She knows this. She routinely criticizes him herself on the Back Alley. It just rubbed me the wrong way, that's all. Sorry to have disrupted things for everyone. God knows I don't conceal my emotions well. Thanks for your apt commentary. -greenman This message is locked.

But I DIDN'T do that. Check the posting times. I did not even SEE your post Posted by Sia on August 25, 2025, 2:40 pm, in reply to "Thank you for your open question, Trish." criticizing Ken in a different thread until AFTER posting this thread. One had NOTHING to do with the other! Seriously! I kept seeing someone logged in as "hidden" and suspected it was Ken. However, someone else did that accidentally some time ago,, so i wasn't sure and so didn't want to comment. So I checked the "lurking IP" logs and matched the times up so then I KNEW it was Ken. Annoyed at his attempt to get sneaky, I called him on it with this thread, intending to tweak his obvious "shame" at his behavior (by trying to hide that it was him). I guess I originally worded it very badly with the excessive "welcome" stuff given how upset it made you and that my dripping sarcasm was misunderstood as a result. WHY do you always assume the worst of me and think I'm trying to harm or insult you?? You could have just expressed annoyance and ASKED what it was about. Instead, you went off on me, presuming connections that simply did NOT exist. It was NOT in response to you criticizing Ken or his board on this forum. I didn't even know about that when I posted it! This message is locked.

Sia, please re-read what Greenman posted to me Posted by Trish on August 26, 2025, 12:35 pm, in reply to "But I DIDN'T do that. Check the posting times. I did not even SEE your post " this could have ended with that, yet it continued. I understand that you feel misunderstood on the matter. Greenman felt stung by the open invitation balanced against what happened to him in the past. You know this, he knows this, hell every poster here knows this. So why keep discussing? Move on. Talk about trump, talk about food, talk about anything other than internal squabbles that are likely to remain a sore point forever. This message is locked.

Yes, you are correct. However, my reason was because I didn't want it left with Posted by Sia on August 26, 2025, 1:15 pm, in reply to "Sia, please re-read what Greenman posted to me" him believing that I was just trying to be a jerk to him or that I would ever deliberately tweak him that way. I WOULDN'T. AFTER my sarcastic post directed at Ken, I saw the 3 posts criticizing mongo, Ken, and Ken's boards HERE. I have always maintained to Ken and everyone else that the Back Alley existed for that type of thing and that it is NOT allowed on the front page. Yet, there it was. Not one, but 3 of them, impossible to miss or ignore. So I felt like I HAD to speak up because my personal honesty and integrity was on the line. That is where I was coming from in posting an ADMIN reminder. I thought I was gentle and understanding in it, just reminding him not to do that here, i never expected the fury that followed BECAUSE there was never a connection between the two separate threads in MY mind. One had absolutely nothing to do with the other. He read them in the opposite order of them happening and came to the wring conclusion as a result. So I wanted to make sure that he understood and wasn't upset about something totally unintentional. I GET why greenman was upset, I would have been too in the same scenario. So I tried, without success, to explain myself and also edited my poorly worded post that obviously failed to convey my actual intention. After it became obvious that he didn't believe me, I dropped it and let him have the last word in both places to just let it die. Truth is, I was so conflicted about having to say something here and whether it should be totally casual or a formal admin post, that I deleted my original post under Sia and reposted it as Admin. I've been harshly criticized by someone for posting a correction as Sia in the past, so that's why I was so conflicted. Never did I intend for greenman to feel attacked or his concerns dismissed. Common, you KNOW how furious I have been at Ken for his betrayal by tossing me to the wolves to be figuratively shredded by those who hate me, after his stupid and ill-considered decision to publicly try to shame or manipulate me into doing his bidding by deleting the back alley, giving him a non-existent DNR against greenman, and to forcefully eliminate ANY and All criticism of him. As if!! I know Scott was behind it and Ken was listening to him and mongo, both of whom lied their butt's off to him about me. Ken said as much in the shredding posts. Anyway, I just want it all to STOP. I'm tired of walking on eggshells, being constantly misunderstood and insulted, and most of all being so deeply upset by crap like this that I have considered just shuttering the two boards and withdrawing completely. I have a lot of health issues that I an struggling with. Being so upset that I'm vomiting and sick because of it doesn't help. That's not anyone else's fault or problem, it's mine because I am extraordinary sensitive even though I try to conceal that so others don't take advantage of it. Words can severely hurt people and the internet is full of hatefulness and forgetfulness that real people are behind the screens. I all ask is that anyone who is upset about something tgey think I did, just ASK what's up before losing their temper and blowing up. I'm not afraid of admitting error or explaining myself. If something was deliberate, I'll own it, but let me explain when it wasn't on purpose. I try really hard but too often fail to convey my actual feelings and are misunderstood as a result. It is that much worse on the internet without the normal social cues we all have in person. This message is locked.

Addendum... Posted by Sia on August 26, 2025, 2:03 pm, in reply to "Yes, you are correct. However, my reason was because I didn't want it left with" I am not naturally this fragile emotionally or physically but am now on 4 immunosuppressants and vulnerable to even the weakest germs that could result in life threatening infections. So I have to be ridiculously careful in everything I do and those I engage with. It limits my social life as a result. I am naturally very engaged socially with lots of friends, family, and acquaintances. I love people and being around them. Now I am limited in what I can do and who I can see. Parties are basically out as are public excursions with big crowds. I miss that. I keep. In touch with them via the internet. So maybe that's part of why I think of the people here as actual friends, even as limited as our interactions are. You all matter to me and I care a lot about you guys. So, when I am at odds with any of you, it is almost as upsetting as having a quarrel with a real life friend. I want to heal rifts and be understood. As difficult as that can be online. I often mess up my words when trying to offer opinions. The lack of visual cues on the receiver's side causes a LOT of problems. I never realized that until having to communicate with my friends online instead of in person. I am looking forward to stopping at least one of the immunosuppressants in the future so I can get back to a more normal social life. That would really help me a lot! So would ending my endless water-based PT trying to rebuild the strength I've lost since the first two multiple level fusions. It's been pushing 3 years since my 5-level cervical fusion and I still don't have enough strength in my neck to hold my head up for an entire day without having to lie down to rest it a few times. Anyway, that's some of the stress I've been dealing with and why it can be so hard for me to deal with stuff that shouldn't bother me as much as it does. This message is locked.

It's OK, seriously Posted by greenman on August 26, 2025, 4:21 pm, in reply to "Addendum..." I do try not to be upsetting. I know you have things to deal with. Best wishes. -greenman This message is locked.

post script Posted by Trish on August 26, 2025, 12:38 pm, in reply to "Sia, please re-read what Greenman posted to me" my words are not meant as an insult to anyone. Believe me, I have had my days where I couldn't give up the "bone" (so to speak), but eventually you get to a point of saying, "How important is it REALLY in the face of the world's issues?" We have good people here, but even good people have crappy days where emotions spill out onto the keyboard. It's just human reality. I hope I am not overstepping my bounds This message is locked.

Nah, you're right. Posted by greenman on August 26, 2025, 12:44 pm, in reply to "post script" For my part I'm sorry it happened. I'd like to move on. -greenman This message is locked.

So am and would I. So let's just do that. Thank you. Posted by Sia on August 26, 2025, 1:16 pm, in reply to "Nah, you're right." This message is locked.

I love you guys. Posted by Skye on August 26, 2025, 2:06 pm, in reply to "So am and would I. So let's just do that. Thank you." Sometimes I feel like the people here are more like family than family members I've known who would never apologize or admit to being wrong about anything, or even listen to or air their differences the way you have done here. Kudos to you all. This message is locked.

I have literally 4 people in the area Posted by Trish on August 27, 2025, 7:17 am, in reply to "I love you guys." I call friends, two of whom I never see, and the other 2 are by extension (my kids friends LOL) So I get the computer being a vehicle for building and maintaining relationships Sia, I knew you had physical issues, but damn girl you make having an ostomy bag look like a walk in the park. I have a friend in FL on those immothings, and she hates them with a passion This message is locked.

Thank you! You are such a sweet heart! Posted by Sia on August 26, 2025, 10:07 pm, in reply to "I love you guys." I'm very glad that you are here and one of us! This message is locked.

I need a word for ditto Posted by Pikes Peak 14115 on August 26, 2025, 4:24 pm, in reply to "I love you guys." I want to use the meaning, but not the word because of who commonly said it. If anything, we, that is WE, and that includes you too, are not afraid to admit error, misunderstanding, or misconception. We don't have thin skinned egos responsible for the chronic bickering and fighting from which this place is something of a refuge. You can look away from a painting, but you can't listen away from a symphony This message is locked.

Thanks, Skye Posted by greenman on August 26, 2025, 2:15 pm, in reply to "I love you guys." Very kind of you. -greenman This message is locked.

I was posting to Trish, sorry. Posted by greenman on August 25, 2025, 3:11 pm, in reply to "But I DIDN'T do that. Check the posting times. I did not even SEE your post " You must've thought that was for you - like you do every post of mine, it seems. You project your behavior just like Mongo. Is that why you hate him so much? -greenman This message is locked.

So done with this sh*t ! Posted by Sia on August 25, 2025, 5:21 pm, in reply to "I was posting to Trish, sorry." This message is locked.

Me too. Posted by greenman on August 25, 2025, 5:35 pm, in reply to "So done with this sh*t !" I know better than to expect an apology.. -greenman This message is locked.

and what exactly should I apologize for?? Posted by Sia on August 25, 2025, 6:27 pm, in reply to "Me too." Be specific please. This message is locked.

NTR Posted by greenman on August 25, 2025, 7:22 pm, in reply to "and what exactly should I apologize for?? " -greenman This message is locked.

Actually, I hadn't seen your post when I posted this. Posted by Sia on August 24, 2025, 9:19 pm, in reply to "If he's a welcome member, I am unwelcome." It literally had nothing to do with what you posted in another thread since I hadn't even SEEN it when I posted this. I edited it to better reflect my actual meaning intended in the original post. That also had nothing to do with anything you posted. Weird how you tend to always think things are in response to something you post when it seldom is. This message is locked.

Niagara Falls Posted by Pikes Peak 14115 on August 25, 2025, 1:39 am, in reply to "Actually, I hadn't seen your post when I posted this. " The strangest things happen when certain words are used in the wrong place, wrong context or with the wrong people. This town ain't big enough for the both of them. You can look away from a painting, but you can't listen away from a symphony This message is locked.

Obviously it is not big enough Posted by Sia on August 25, 2025, 2:56 am, in reply to "Niagara Falls" Inviting a showdown between the two of them didn't even remotely cross my mind, nor was I reacting to his post in another thread that I hadn't even seen when I posted this thread. I was simply making a point about how we were treated by Ken vs the fact that he still has his log-in here, but chooses to be "hidden" in the logged in list above. I'm guessing it is because he knows he treated some of us, including you, like yesterday's garbage. This message is locked.

Sore log Posted by Pikes Peak 14115 on August 25, 2025, 11:17 am, in reply to "Obviously it is not big enough" Neglect is a kind of abuse. I fully understand how a busy person might not be able to effectively manage a board alone, and apply it in cutting slack. But registation and log in here reduced instances of abuse to where they essentially no longer exist. That freed up administration duties so we need not worry about them. I feel more like a night watchman making the rounds in a community where all's well. When was the last time we had an all hands on deck meeting at Back Alley to discuss a problem on OUR board? Years and the issue was SES; a chronic troublemaker where ever he posts. With all due respect, Ken manages the unmanageable. It's like MAGA and the felon. Not all the trouble is the felon, nor all MAGA. But the combination is unmanageable. The time tested truth why religion and politics are poor discussion topics in public are nowhere clearer. Add to that, the grossly biased "science" of DFM and his pro MAGA pro Israel politican views to where Palestinian genocide is accaptable is sick. My departure from yellow was due to a community assessment that my reading comprehension skills are poor just because I don't "think" like them. All Ken is guilty of is neglect. Its like the many MAGA members of that community who claim to value and cherish freedom, and the same Xtians who claim to value and cherish Christianity or a relationship with Christ. It must be on their terms. They not only refuse to accept anything else, they attack it. If they can't attack on merit, they attack the person personally. I left, but the disparagement and fighting continued. Says a lot, huh? You can look away from a painting, but you can't listen away from a symphony This message is locked.

With all due respect Posted by greenman on August 25, 2025, 11:40 am, in reply to "Sore log" Ken does not 'manage' anything. One has only to read his boards to see this obvious fact. He posts fake 'rules' which are mostly not enforced; he favors the worst posters while consistently taking sides agains Liberal posters; he is a pointless and insipid commenter in his own right. And his enforcements are often dishonest and unfair. I only post this in reply to your comments; apparently Sia's 'rules' about posting about other boards or operators are flexible, given that she invoked 'ADMIN' authority to tell me not to. The whole thing's RIDICULOUS. Had she simply said 'please post that in the Back Alley' I'd have done so without argument. How she thinks she can trash-talk Ken on that board while inviting him to post out front, I don't know. Moderators of a feather moderate together, I suppose..smh -greenman This message is locked.

Had you bothered to reread the lead in post that I edited to make it abundantly clear what my point Posted by Sia on August 25, 2025, 12:38 pm, in reply to "With all due respect" was, you'd know the answer already. I clearly stated that I'd edited it because it was obviously not well worded so my ACTUAL intention was lost in its translation. Perhaps you'd put down your fists if you bothered to look and maybe ask questions before exploding. Given the complaints about my moderation comments as an Admin being posted under my participant log in instead, I deleted my original request posted as Sia and reposted it as Admin. I guess it doesn't matter HOW I post something as a moderator, it is rejected either way. Sure seems so. This message is locked.

Yeah, you sure are a victim. Posted by greenman on August 25, 2025, 12:40 pm, in reply to "Had you bothered to reread the lead in post that I edited to make it abundantly clear what my point " Just like poor Ken, those mean people sure do hate on him! smh -greenman This message is locked.

Ummm, it's more about the disaster that is his THIRD board for politics Posted by Sia on August 25, 2025, 11:35 am, in reply to "Sore log" https://mb.boardhost.com/Bi-PartisanPolitics/index.html?1756060831 Take a look before assuming it is simple neglect like it typically is/was on R&E. It is acwhole different species with a group of new (to us) posters where, literally, ANYTHING GOES. Ken never enforced the rules there, even when he's right there, and it shows! Any further discussion about this should not be had here though. This message is locked.

I ken imagine Posted by Pikes Peak 14115 on August 25, 2025, 12:07 pm, in reply to "Ummm, it's more about the disaster that is his THIRD board for politics" What I described went in that direction before the spinoff community launched. What happened there was entirely predictable. With all due respect I ignored the link and would do the same for the other. When I closed that door, it closed. The latch clicked, the lock tripped and I went back downstairs from that heaven You can look away from a painting, but you can't listen away from a symphony This message is locked.

Good enough. However. if you won't look for yourself, then please consider er Posted by Sia on August 25, 2025, 12:22 pm, in reply to "I ken imagine" what we are telling you from our first hand experience. All is not what it once was. This message is locked.

I see examples Posted by Pikes Peak 14115 on August 26, 2025, 4:28 pm, in reply to "Good enough. However. if you won't look for yourself, then please consider er" in Back Alley and they are sufficient to summarize the overall, and why I have too litlle interest in it to visit. It is distasteful like battery acid, and no need or desire to repeat. Once is enough. You can look away from a painting, but you can't listen away from a symphony This message is locked.

Oh it's so much worse than those few examples. Posted by Sia on August 26, 2025, 9:57 pm, in reply to "I see examples" MUCH WORSE! This message is locked.

Why am I not surprized? Posted by Pikes Peak 14115 on August 27, 2025, 12:16 am, in reply to "Oh it's so much worse than those few examples. " You can look away from a painting, but you can't listen away from a symphony This message is locked.

There is an influx of posters from another board. several are quite hateful. Posted by Sia on August 27, 2025, 12:34 am, in reply to "Why am I not surprized?" There is little besides ridiculous arguments over nonsense; nasty attacks for no reason other than a difference in political viewpoints; and virtually NO discussion whatsoever. Nearly everyone is hitting others over the head and back petting those who already agree with them. mongo routinely attacks Christopher for his posts. Insults and belittles him. To his credit, Christopher responds with positive answers, ignoring the crap thrown at him or letting mongo know how little his words affect him. Can you imagine anyone constantly and sometimes viciously attacking Christopher? Several are vulgar louts who are looking for a fight and always find one. It's crazy really. In any case, we should all stop going on about it here. It's just so easy to forget where we are. This message is locked.

Which is why I don't judge it that way. Posted by greenman on August 25, 2025, 12:41 pm, in reply to "Good enough. However. if you won't look for yourself, then please consider er" I used to like and respect Ken. I don't anymore. You don't really, either, but you still invite him to post here. Why? -greenman This message is locked.

I've explained what I was actually doing twice in this thread and again in the Back Alley. Posted by Sia on August 25, 2025, 1:06 pm, in reply to "Which is why I don't judge it that way." Please reread the posts for clarification. This message is locked.

Condescend to someone who cares. Posted by greenman on August 25, 2025, 2:19 pm, in reply to "I've explained what I was actually doing twice in this thread and again in the Back Alley." You really DO. NOT. GET. IT. -greenman This message is locked.

Because of how the written word lacks inflection Posted by Pikes Peak 14115 on August 26, 2025, 4:34 pm, in reply to "Condescend to someone who cares." misunderstandings happen all too easily, and first impressions are strong. Our system of punctuation, and lack of accents for words sometimes causes unintended problems in the written word. Fortunately we're not yet to the point like Biblical Hebrew, where every word is footnoted to some scholarly discussion of exactly what is meant by the single word, alone and in its context. You can look away from a painting, but you can't listen away from a symphony This message is locked.

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