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I found another interesting song related to current events. (kinda protesty but timeless) Posted by jacque on November 2, 2025, 1:05 am Valued Poster I'm not a zealot yet Proverbs 12:1 comes to mind when I think of my friends who have politicized their faith in a way that no longer resembles the faith they first professed. Proverbs 12:1 Whoever loves instruction loves knowledge, But he who hates correction is stupid. I never said that (red words) by Josh M live long and prosper as best you can Jacque

I like it. Posted by Skye on November 3, 2025, 8:24 am, in reply to "I found another interesting song related to current events. (kinda protesty but timeless)" Valued Poster Of course a lot of Christians will say they don't hate anyone, but their actions speak otherwise, especially when they actively support or defend a 'leader' who is so outwardly hateful and dishonest.

That was quite good! Very catchy and also to the point. It nails what is Posted by Sia on November 3, 2025, 5:42 am, in reply to "I found another interesting song related to current events. (kinda protesty but timeless)" so wrong in too many Christians, especially those who push for politics, fame, or seek great wealth while ignoring Jesus's actual words.

We can use that song Posted by Pikes Peak 14115 on November 3, 2025, 2:04 am, in reply to "I found another interesting song related to current events. (kinda protesty but timeless)" ADMIN I have to study it more. I am not aware of Greek or Hebrew red letter editions. Must be careful "quoting" Jesus. You know the problems with that. I am too tired to comment further. I will when I am rested, not falling asleep as I try to post. You can look away from a painting, but you can't listen away from a symphony

Re: We can use that song Posted by jacque on November 3, 2025, 2:30 am, in reply to "We can use that song" Valued Poster Thank you for your consideration and commentary. live long and prosper as best you can Jacque

A rested commendary and analysis Posted by Pikes Peak 14115 on November 3, 2025, 12:09 pm, in reply to "Re: We can use that song" Much about the song is designed to appeal to younger audiences. The driving metal rock instruments and distortion, and the gutteral singing as if in agony, or sexual heat. Men have heats too. The harmonic rhythm is very simple and unremarkable. The progression has been used in countless other songs. Those harmonies have essentially no dissonance, and where the singer sounds like he is both angry, and in agony, the lack of dissonancedoesn't support that. It is easy to make dissonance sound terrible or bad. It takes very careful skill to make it sound profound, ironically sad, gentle and agonizingly beautiful. For God so lovewd the world. One of the favorite and most often quoted verses in religion. It begins in C major. But we know what's coming. In measure 2 rather than a dominant chord, the harmony is a b diminished minor 7, and that bA adds to a tension of the diminished chord. The song shifts on that moment to something sad, bitter, and profound. The "for God so loved the world" motif begins in C major, measure 3. then changes to the b diminished minor 7th with C in the bass. It is bitter. Its resolution in measure 4 to the C9 still has an aftertaste of dissonance. The fmsus in measure 5 is a new flavor of bitter dissonance, followed by an e diminished minor 7th which propels the movement forward into a deeper twist of dissonance. The fm9 in measure 6 is a slight release of the tension, but the fminor key is even more profoundly sad. Not in an ugly way, because this is pure dissonance. Voiced any differently, it would sound ugly and hideous. Measure 7 is the bitter b dminishied minor 7th, but with G in the bass. Even more profoundly sad and bitter, setting up the words "That He gave His one and only Son" cminor G bass in measure 8, #gdiminished diminished 7th with G in the bass measure 9- even more hurt, pain, tension, wrenching bitterness, and where it should resolve in measure 10, harmony shifts to an #f diminished diminished 7th against the G in the bass in the most profane and profound possible comparison of good and evil side by side in the harmony and it melody. Measures 11 - 14 hint of peaceful resolution in G major. But the melody is in c minor, and that contrast makes it profoundly sad. Then in measure 16 shifted to a flatted deceptive cadence- meaning the pain will go on in a new way, and it does. Measurfe 17 resolves in c minor with bitter minor 2nd in the melody. Measure 21 resolves in C major, suddenly feeling peaceful, and its cadence in G major in measure 22. But then in measure 23 the whole thing begins again, this time with the words and voices. Repetition like this is music's exclamation point. Measure 23 in the b diminished minor 7. Then the same theme as before, with the words, and a second voice in the flute. The flutes legato arpeggios in measures 28 and 29 become staccato in measure 30, intensifying the sadness and tension of the words, but in a profoundly gentle and beautiful, but nervous way. Is resolves with "shall not perish" and "shall have eternal life." Which appears with a peace only made possible by the tension and dissonance before it. This is achieved purely by harmony and melody. If we add the singer- that voice can't be gutteral and agonized with "cool sounding" drop offs of words. I did not say that" could use some of this care in the harmony and melody. The song could be tweaked to have that. But it also tells a significant portion of Jesus' story and perhaps his disappointment in having to teach the lessons again to a crowd who just doesn't get it. That's where the anger could really enhance it. That would employ carefully voiced dissonance to reflect the anger. If we do it, I will do that to it. Use of such a message could be directed to Trump and Johnsin who clearly use Christianity and Jesus to anger the base, not against Jesus' enemies, but Trumps enemies. For this to work requires two key elements. First is a person who has absolutely no respect for any of Jesus' parables, lessons, and examples, and a base of people too stupid to not see the clearly blasphemous abuse. Much of the American religious right is a mob of fools. They have been duped by this man, and are too stupid to see or know it. They need to see side by side comparisons. I believe a photo or five of the fifty year old coward slob dancing in a club with a mob of half naked teen age girls might accomplish that. But he is protected by a pious false Christian liar, Mike Johnsin who absolutely does NOT reflect or represent the teachings of the Jesus he so frequently mentions. Trump did in real life what he and his son monitor each other for the sins of imagery potentially on their phones. You can look away from a painting, but you can't listen away from a symphony

Re: A rested commendary and analysis Posted by jacque on November 4, 2025, 2:43 am, in reply to "A rested commendary and analysis" Valued Poster Thank you for your thoughtful response. This song is very reminiscent of 'Hillsong' style worship song. As far as contemporary bands style on the radio I would compare it to Imagine Dragons. I can definitely imagine different instrumentation and vocalization that could resemble Chopin too. As far as the message much of it is paraphrased scripture. Old and New with some politicized phrasing for contrast. No need for interlinear concordances to determine Red from Read. I'd love to hear your arrangement if one arises. live long and prosper as best you can Jacque

Commercial and popular music formula Posted by Pikes Peak 14115 on November 4, 2025, 5:22 pm, in reply to "Re: A rested commendary and analysis" There is a sameness in sound, by design, because producers milk to death what sells. Consequently everybody and their mother write, siog, play and produce in that "selling" style. My serious music is "too weird" with all of its explorations into color and dissonance, and when orchestrated, too expensive to produce. Some casually dismiss it as "program music" because it's about weird things like landscapes, seasons, space, and spaces. Accompanying No Kings was a work called Truth, part of my American Easter Cycle. Beginning at 1:54 is the principal theme. Very simple, and flavor changes from the changing harmony under it. "resolutions" are unexpected and so are turns from major to minor, diminished and augmented. Each propels the music forward into new harmonic material. No repetition of the same olf I IV V sh!t. Each solo instrument emerges pure and clear in its color. At 3:04 is the chorus where a solo flute climbs almost to heaven. Actually up the melodic minor scale to a resolution. But the responding clarinet emerges from within the harmony in a new and unexpected modulation. Then the horn does it, again from in the middle, into yet another unexpacted harmony. The effect is incredibly beautiful and stunning. The phrases repeat with high trumpet, horn section, and middle trumpet solos set against a shimmering light of harmonic, ever changing high strings in tremolo. The high trumpet is God. The horn section is humanity. The middle trumpet is truth where humanity meets God. They move together until they resolve. It is also quite new. You haven't heard music like this. Nobody has. You can look away from a painting, but you can't listen away from a symphony

Musical Scores Posted by jacque on November 6, 2025, 3:09 am, in reply to "Commercial and popular music formula" Valued Poster Musical Weirdness is contextual in its expression. Dissonance is its strongest modal. Some is momentary, some transcends. Moments and memories are every musical muse. A listeners ears are the real mystery. I know many who would consider you a kindred spirit in music. live long and prosper as best you can Jacque

Very good! Posted by greenman on November 2, 2025, 8:44 am, in reply to "I found another interesting song related to current events. (kinda protesty but timeless)" Valued Poster The conceit, often in the part of so-called 'Christians,' that they know what Jesus 'wanted,' is very widespread. They're always so eager to punish - but never to forgive. RESIST!

Re: Very good! Posted by jacque on November 3, 2025, 1:35 am, in reply to "Very good!" Valued Poster My intention in posting things like this isn't to predict the next big hit. It's just to point out things that are not necessarily within our online bubbles algorithms have created for many. I make effort to see what is going on from many perspectives. Things that are current are going to have the most impact/influence/access music is just one avenue to express the sentiment. I wasn't expecting much in response. But I know some read my comments even if they didn't listen to the song. Regardless the message and sentiment is common. live long and prosper as best you can Jacque

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