Yes, I saw your post that you were using turkey. Your decline of the offer s'ok. They take practice and more practice to perfect. Every woman in my family (grandmother, mother, aunts, neighbor ladies) made them when I was growing up and I watched. If and when I make them now, I use canned biscuits that I roll out, but you really can't beat the freshly homemade. I also use a hen, just like all those who taught me did.