My words from my post on this:
Theone, Palestinians owned slaves? some? many? a few? 10%, 3%? How many? Historical records show it was confined to wealthy urban elites for the most part. You embarrass yourself by your goofy generalizations. On top of that, i now have to once again decide if i want to continue interacting on a board that brings this up during a genocide."
How you get that i tolerate slavery from that is absurd. The overwhelming majority of poor and working-class Palestinian never had slaves. Nor did the children buried under the ruble of the bombed buildings. Like our own history, it was a bourgeoisie enterprize. You know damn well that was my point.
As for your old man fake apology, it was followed up with a barrage of invective: demon, demonic, evil, smart alec pet. i am through with you, sucker. Enjoy talking to yourself on the board.
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""""Then you admitted u made the shit up with this, lol!!
You're right , Maestro, I remember you being vocal about "specifically" the Arab/Muslim xenophobia, sexism and bias. I even remember you criticizing the "Iranian" mentality towards women which is highly complex, defined by an ongoing clash between a deeply entrenched, patriarchal state system and a progressive, highly educated society. I remember that!! ding ding ding ding!!!!!"""""
Wrong, its not that I admitted I made this shit up, instead its about the fact that I "RECOGNIZED" your other side of the coin, the side where you did criticize Arab/Muslim's bad deeds and rightly so. I wanted to demonstrate that you are not always pro-Arab injustice, except for your "obvious" tolerance of the Palestinian African slave trade and racial bigotry under the pretext of genocide.
""""mock me for being elderly""""
Hmmmmm, and I "sincerely" thought you accepted my well-intentioned "apology" last year when I did that, and then we both moved on. Indeed someone who accepts an apology outwardly but still harbors resentment is often called unforgiving, resentful, or grudge-holding. In psychology, this behavior is frequently described as "insincere" forgiveness, pseudo-forgiveness, or passive-aggressive.
I agree with Les too, as he said, "for the most part people are good, but there are always a few bad apples in the mix and it doesn't matter what color they are."
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Let this evil, elderly man school you by explaining it to u in crayons: What shit did you make up, lol?
Theone said, . I understand that you are trying so desperately to cover up the Latino and Arab racism in America and in their respective countries of origin as well,.. you only project the "good side" of the Latino and Arab stories in regard to Black ppl, thinking that we are a piece of chopped liver on this board.
Then, I said this: When on God's green earth did I say racism does not exist or when did I try to hide that fact? Have u not read my posts for the past 18 years?
"I grew up in a working-class neighborhood in the 50's @ 60's in Milwaukee, the Birmingham of the North. There was and still is intense racism in those same neighborhoods. It's better than before, but the good fight continues.
And that racism is present in the Arab community. I hired Egyptians, White Moroccans and Palestinians at my art Kiosk in the mall who had racist, misogynistic, and homophobic views.
They also despised Jews. I argued with them constantly. One time, almost to the point of fisticuffs. Fortunately, it ended peacefully.
I once recall telling the Moroccan lady i hired that i planned to go to Juneteenth day. This was about 10 years ago. She laughed and said "I would not be caught dead there."
Despite all that, I got along with all. I spoke the truth with love and respect. I did not point fingers or laugh at their ignorance. One bible verse that all activists should follow: "Speak the truth in love" (Ephesians 4:15). That way, the message will be received rather than causing defensiveness.
Let's not let this rotten system destroy us. If you want to rid the world of genocide, income inequality, racism, intra racial stratification which is a big topic on this board, let's get angry at the real culprit- our political economy.
That's my last word on this. Hopefully we can move away from this pointless point and counterpoint on racism. We all know that the world is full of racists. The question is: how to fix it.
Then you admitted u made the shit up with this, lol!!"
You're right , Maestro, I remember you being vocal about "specifically" the Arab/Muslim xenophobia, sexism and bias. I even remember you criticizing the "Iranian" mentality towards women which is highly complex, defined by an ongoing clash between a deeply entrenched, patriarchal state system and a progressive, highly educated society. I remember that!! ding ding ding ding!!!!!
Now you pull out of your ass to shift focus of your making shit up this straw man's argument about me changing colors. LOL!! WTF!! To quote Les," For the most part people are good, but there are always a few bad apples." I agree. That's not changing colors when I mention good things about Palestinians and also their racism. Same with my analysis with all ethnicities. There are good with some bad apples.
Suddenly, a thought occurred. I broke a golden rule of a wise "old, eldery" man.
"Never argue with a fool; onlookers may not be able to tell the difference."
It won't happen again. LOL. This wicked, devilish, evil, smart alec's pet is officially retiring after 18 years of mostly good memories on the board. See u on fb Les. Take care.
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The question you've asked has everything to do with "your" changing colors which I have answered. And indeed you are pretty evil for quickly "disavowing" the two opposite views you have on Arab/Muslims. Denying your "Pros and cons" factors. I've been reading you on this board for years dude, you're not going to fool me.
What shit did I make up???? One time(recently) you did say Palestinians did not own as much black slaves and their slavery of Africans was not that important and should not be talked about because they are going thru a genocide. You gave them a pass. And another time(years before the destruction of Gaza in 2023) you agreed that Arabs in general whether Palestinians or not had racist, misogynistic, sexist and homophobic views. THIS IS WHY I SAID YOU'RE CHANGING COLORS. You even disliked the word "Abeed" which they still use to this day for Black ppl, especially the Afro-Palestinians. You have also expressed an "unfavorable" view on Islam when you first started posting here. Now how did I make this shit up?
I thought "elderlies" don't lie, I also thought a self-described democratic socialist is capable to face up criticism.
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LOL!! The post has nothing to do with changing colors. That's your modus operandi every time your exposed for the shit you make up: change the focus. Stay focused and answer. One more Time: If you remember my criticism of Arabs why did you say the following: I understand that you are trying so desperately to cover up the Latino and Arab racism in America and in their respective countries of origin as well. At least i give you credit: you have not called me a devil like u did before. Thanks. AND you did not call me wicked, devilish, evil or mock me for being elderly or call me the 'smart alec's' pet. Thanks. you are making progress. Previous Message
"""If you remember my criticism of Arabs why did you say the following: I understand that you are trying so desperately to cover up the Latino and Arab racism in America and in their respective countries of origin as well,.. you only project the "good side" of the Latino and Arab stories in regard to Black ppl, thinking that we are a piece of chopped liver on this board""""""
For the last time,..Yes I remember some of your criticism of Arabs but the reason I said this(paragraph above) is because YOU DO CHANGE COLOR "sometimes" when I criticize these two communities. And you know you do. You would "sometimes" deliberately counter-attack me by pushing back against my criticism of Arab and Latinos with your own criticism(kinda like playing the good cop). Bam!!! Is this requiring much efforts for you to understand??
I know you've got the point but you wannna play the game. So go ahead! You remember when you tried in one of your post to imply that Palestinians did not have many "Black slaves" compared to the Western Hemisphere therefore it should be ok to tolerate their historic Black slavery because they are facing genocide. I know you know dammn well what I'm talking about.
LOL, all in all you keep switching faces when it comes to certain critiques. Now can you explain why I'm criticizing you on this?? LOL!! FYI I wasn't "ducking and weaving" because I don't think your question was tough since you're good at changing the underlying dynamic. Previous Message
Please try and answer the Question instead of ducking and weaving LOL: Once again, If you say you remember my criticism of Arabs, why did you say the following: "I understand that you are trying so desperately to cover up the Latino and Arab racism in America and in their respective countries of origin as well,.. you only project the "good side" of the Latino and Arab stories in regard to Black ppl, thinking that we are a piece of chopped liver on this board. My job is to expose the other side of the coin too. LOL!" Previous Message
I said that introductory phrase because you do change color. I remember(and you do too)the day I've criticized El Salvador's President Nayib Bukele who is of Palestinian descent and how pro-Israel him and his Christian Palestinian community are in El Salvador,.. you were quick to post something else on that same day about that community to turn around my point by posting Schafik Handal who was a prominent Salvadoran-Palestinian communist revolutionary leader, and a staunch ally of Fidel Castro. Do you remember that? I do. You did this to contradict my point on Nayib Bukele.
You have also done the same thing(change color)when I criticized those sell out Arab leaders or when I criticize the Arab world racism. You were quick to bring(like recently) a subject on Arab/Muslim women joining the crowd at the Juneteenth festivals out in Milwaukee.
Me too I was so puzzled at your "Chameleonic" behaviour and I didn't get it. Previous Message
I don't get it?????? If you say you remember my criticism of Arabs, why did you say the following: "I understand that you are trying so desperately to cover up the Latino and Arab racism in America and in their respective countries of origin as well,.. you only project the "good side" of the Latino and Arab stories in regard to Black ppl, thinking that we are a piece of chopped liver on this board. My job is to expose the other side of the coin too. LOL!" Previous Message
You're right , Maestro, I remember you being vocal about "specifically" the Arab/Muslim xenophobia, sexism and bias. I even remember you criticizing the "Iranian" mentality towards women which is highly complex, defined by an ongoing clash between a deeply entrenched, patriarchal state system and a progressive, highly educated society. I remember that!!
As for me I just want to identify and reveal hidden weaknesses, errors and bigotry amongst the "brown" nations(who think they are whites) whether in Latin America or the Middle-East. The two subcontinents have for sure different religions one is Christian and the other is Muslim, also different languages, one is mostly Spanish and the other is mostly Arabic, but one thing definitely both subcontinents have in "common" is the racial hierarchy, a structured system where groups are ranked based on perceived racial superiority or inferiority in "Venezuela" as well as in "Lebanon" for example. So, its not just Europe, North America and/or Australia and Russia where this racial sickness can be found.
And yes Les, I too think most ppl are good, but to determine if "most people are good" is complex, as psychology and philosophy reveal that goodness is largely subjective. However, behavioral scientists and psychologists generally agree that the vast majority of people have "pro-social" tendencies, valuing empathy and cooperation in their daily interactions. Previous Message
TheOne is just playing the devil’s advocate, Maestro — TheOne, I was just at a high school class reunion of Blacks and whites, here in Mississippi. Now, despite Mississippi being a red state, this particular county, Panola, carried Barack Obama in both of his presidential elections.
The reunion was a great time for all. And I clearly realized, while engaging with old classmates, Black and white, that indeed the following Ruth Bader Ginsberg quote is apropos to what we’re doing, in espousing Black classical cultures. “Fight for the things that you care about. But do it in a way that will lead others to join you.”
Now, you mentioned Latino’s and Jews collectively, but the reality is that most people are good. You’re simply going to have some bad apples in the bunch. Previous Message
When on God's green earth did I say racism does not exist or when did I try to hide that fact? Have u not read my posts for the past 18 years?
I grew up in a working-class neighborhood in the 50's @ 60's in Milwaukee, the Birmingham of the North. There was and still is intense racism in those same neighborhoods. It's better than before, but the good fight continues.
And that racism is present in the Arab community. I hired Egyptians, White Moroccans and Palestinians at my art Kiosk in the mall who had racist, misogynistic, and homophobic views.
They also despised Jews. I argued with them constantly. One time, almost to the point of fisticuffs. Fortunately, it ended peacefully.
I once recall telling the Moroccan lady i hired that i planned to go to Juneteenth day. This was about 10 years ago. She laughed and said "I would not be caught dead there."
Despite all that, I got along with all. I spoke the truth with love and respect. I did not point fingers or laugh at their ignorance. One bible verse that all activists should follow: "Speak the truth in love" (Ephesians 4:15). That way, the message will be received rather than causing defensiveness.
Let's not let this rotten system destroy us. If you want to rid the world of genocide, income inequality, racism, intra racial stratification which is a big topic on this board, let's get angry at the real culprit- our political economy.
That's my last word on this. Hopefully we can move away from this pointless point and counterpoint on racism. We all know that the world is full of racists. The question is: how to fix it. Previous Message
LOL, how come this was not mentioned? Anyway, I've enjoyed reading this too, I mean, alliances of black and white radicals were crucial in a number of settings outside the deep south, in various locales, these alliances made a critical difference in the kinds of results that were obtained. (scroll to photo below)
The strongest intersection of black and white radicals commenced in a number of urban areas in the mid-to late-1960s, white students became progressively radicalized, resulting in a convergence of the anti-war movement and the black liberation movement. Throughout the San Francisco Bay Area, white radicals assisted the Panthers in setting up speeches and demonstrations, helped to "pay" for the distribution of their paper and other publications, and aided in the setting up of the breakfast programs, including, in many cases, "paying" for the food. How do you like that? Niiice, right?
Now does that mean there is no racism in the White American community today or in Europe?? Shall we HIDE the racist republicans and the southern KKK and Maga that still exist in America, Mr Maestro?. I understand that you are trying so desperately to cover up the Latino and Arab racism in America and in their respective countries of origin as well,.. you only project the "good side" of the Latino and Arab stories in regard to Black ppl, thinking that we are a piece of chopped liver on this board . My job is to expose the other side of the coin too. LOL!
There are good ppl everywhere BUT you can't ignore the bad ones or act like if they don't exist.
