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The age of Juan Crow in America. Reason to despise your gov't.

Posted by Mugwump on July 29, 2025, 10:31 am

In its merciless pursuit of people without papers — most of them Latino — and its demonization of asylum seekers, refugees, holders of temporary protected status, Muslims and Palestinian rights activists, the Trump administration is accelerating toward a new, modern nadir of Juan Crow, just downstream of Jim and Jane.

When a sitting U.S. senator refers to New York immigrants as “inner-city rats,” when a Florida governor waxes rapturously about the “Alligator Alcatraz” immigrant detention center, when a presidential administration takes two months to dismantle decades of civil rights law, we must admit that these are acts in a feature presentation of neo-Confederate revanchism targeting brown and Black people. The targeting of the undocumented has a name, after all, based in ugly history and shameful tradition: Juan Crow.

The phrase was popularized by the journalist Roberto Lovato to describe the “matrix of laws, social customs, economic institutions and symbolic systems” that isolate and control undocumented immigrants. The domestic policies of the Trump administration have taken this legacy to a more dangerous place.

The policies of this administration reinstate an era in which the rights conferred to all people in the United States by the Constitution are subject to a sliding scale of extralegal violability depending on one’s race, ethnicity or assumed immigration status. Tom Homan, the so-called border czar, has said that Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents don’t “need probable cause to walk up to somebody, briefly detain them and question them.” The administration has created a hostile, systematic stripping of basic dignities that works in concert with stymying official methods people are meant to use to seek relief and redress for governmental abuse.

A familiar, if not altogether new, dawn of racialized mistreatment is being enacted by imposing daily ICE arrest quotas. The claims in a Human Rights Watch report on three Florida detention facilities read like a nightmare mash-up of Guantánamo Bay and American mass incarceration: freezing, overcrowded facilities; routine denial of medical treatment; shackling the hands and wrists of detainees; feeding detainees meager amounts of rotting food or forcing them to eat it “like dogs,” with their hands behind their backs; forcing detainees to sleep on concrete floors.

The White House is attempting to rewrite the constitutional order via executive fiat, spreading terror through immigrant communities by reportedly subjecting detainees to callous, inhumane and even deadly treatment. The senior adviser Stephen Miller routinely conflates immigrants with criminality even though the majority of those detained by ICE have no criminal convictions or have committed no violent offenses.

The administration’s zeal to meet its deportation quotas has even made it willing to put the denaturalization of U.S. citizens on the table. At a recent news conference, the White House press secretary Karoline Leavitt coyly giggled with approval as Peter Doocy of Fox News asked if the president would approve of an investigation aimed at denaturalizing and ultimately deporting Zohran Mamdani, the candidate who won the Democratic primary in New York’s mayoral race. (Mamdani was born in Uganda and lived there until he was 5.) The president now speaks openly of his desire to deport U.S. citizens, and announced on July 1: “We also have a lot of bad people that have been here for a long time … many of them were born in our country.”

The administration won’t stop there. Birtherism, the conspiracy theory born out of Donald Trump’s baseless questions about Barack Obama’s U.S. citizenship, was a mere curtain raiser for today’s campaign of racialized delegitimization aimed both at nonwhite elected officials and journalists as well as nonwhite immigrants, regardless of status, along with U.S. citizens and U.S. military service members. This was not a hidden campaign, but one formalized into policy and execution within Project 2025, spearheaded by the Heritage Foundation, ahead of Mr. Trump’s second election victory.

While the courts continue to block Mr. Trump’s attempt to withhold U.S. birthright citizenship to children in 28 states, that is just one effort by his administration to redefine U.S. citizenship along racial lines.

The 14th Amendment states, “All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside.” Additionally, the amendment builds upon the tradition of federalism by asserting that “no state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.”

That language applies to every person born on U.S. soil, with limited exceptions for the children of foreign diplomats and children of Indigenous nations, which have their own sovereignty.

Birthright citizenship “was meant for the babies of slaves; it was not meant for people trying to scam the system and come into the country on a vacation,” Mr. Trump said at a news conference last month in which he explained his interpretation of the 14th Amendment and the reasoning behind the country’s birthright citizenship case, apparently enlisting a magical line-item veto to disappear that nettlesome language known as the equal protection clause. “It was the exact same date, the end of the Civil War, and it was meant for the babies of slaves and it was so clean and so obvious, but this lets us go there and finally win that case.”

It was not. It did not.

In 2017, nine months into Mr. Trump’s first term as president, the writer Ta-Nehisi Coates presented an argument that remains a skeleton key to how we arrived at our present discontent: Mr. Trump is best understood as the nation’s first white president. His election was a repudiation of the legacy of President Obama. This was a man whose path to the presidency started with his notorious birther crusade against Mr. Obama.

Mr. Trump’s crusade was a specious and racist effort to delegitimize the election of the nation’s first Black president. “For Trump,” Mr. Coates wrote, “it almost seems that the fact of Obama, the fact of a Black president, insulted him personally.” Having witnessed how Mr. Trump has wielded power during the first six months of his second term, swiftly moving to institute this MAGA version of Juan Crow — now with a supersized ICE budget that rivals what some nations spend on their entire militaries — I think we can safely dispense with the word “almost.”

It’s instructive to look at a previous moment when white supremacy was welcome at the White House. In 1915, President Woodrow Wilson hosted a special screening of D.W. Griffith’s “The Birth of a Nation.” Less than 50 years after the ratification of the 15th Amendment (prohibiting the denial of the vote based on race, color or having been enslaved), Griffith’s blockbuster cinematic argument for the necessity of Jim Crow was released. The film (based on the 1905 novel “The Clansman,” written by Thomas Dixon Jr., a classmate and friend of Wilson) is chiefly notorious for promulgating a fiction of Black men as marauding rapists obsessed with gorging themselves upon the carnal altars of white virginity. In the film, a white victim, Flora Cameron (played by Mae Marsh), jumps off a cliff to her death to avoid marrying, and thus consummating with, a freedman and veteran Union captain named Gus (portrayed by Walter Long, in blackface). That is only one of the film’s expressions of displeasure with the changes Reconstruction brought about.

Griffith’s film spoke to the reactionary, bristling rage of white people witnessing Black men serving in state legislatures and the U.S. Congress, exercising the right to vote and holding positions of local authority. Newly enfranchised Black men throughout the South voted in the 1868 election, helping make Ulysses S. Grant president. For those who needed the false supremacy of whiteness to be real, this was unconscionable. Offscreen, that rage famously resulted in the only successful coup d’état on American soil: the Wilmington Race Massacre of 1898.

For Mr. Trump, returning the country to greatness involves stopping an invasion that is about as real as Griffith’s projections. When Kristi Noem, the Department of Homeland Security secretary, visited the Salvadoran prison known as the Terrorism Confinement Center, or CECOT, over which the president of El Salvador, Nayib Bukele, presides, she shared images seemingly engineered to alight the same synapses that brought Griffith so much fame and praise. The policy works hand in hand with the spectacle, much like lynchings, which followed trials in Jim Crow kangaroo courts. The Trump administration’s elastic incursion into habeas corpus and due process rights wouldn’t be complete without intimidating images burnishing its will and ability to abuse with impunity.

Griffith’s order-restoring Ku Klux Klan night riders bring to mind some aspects of today’s professionalized “immigration enforcement.” ICE officers are permitted to mask their faces, to engage in profiling as they snatch people off the street and hustle them into unmarked cars, disappear them into overcrowded, filthy oblivions, execute cruel and inhumane family separations and trample upon the rights of U.S. citizens. Desperate ICE detainees have used their bodies to form SOS signals and, more recently, to break through a wall and escape a facility in New Jersey.

The Trump administration has repeatedly obstructed elected officials from conducting basic oversight. There is a pattern of impunity and contempt in the way the Department of Homeland Security has stonewalled the Newark mayor, Ras Baraka, the New Jersey members of Congress LaMonica McIver and Bonnie Watson Coleman, the New York members Adriano Espaillat and Nydia Velázquez and the California members Maxine Waters, Jimmy Gomez and Norma Torres when they have attempted to access federal facilities, as is their right and duty.

Perhaps because frequency and repetition confer dulling effects, Americans seem to have become numb to the dangers of the ongoing shameless, targeted, personal and bigoted diminution of the capabilities, achievements and authority of women and people of color who occupy government. As the transgressions grow bigger and bolder, the effects become normalized, entrenched. We are passively becoming witnesses to near-daily insults, the cumulative effect of which is to make them appear as if they are deserved.

Left unchecked, the currents of autocratic abuse can swell in a flash, allowing the floodwaters of white supremacy to sweep away democracy in America — again.

Are you an American citizen?

Posted by observer on July 30, 2025, 6:24 pm, in reply to "The age of Juan Crow in America. Reason to despise your gov't."

LOLOL

Posted by Deanna on July 29, 2025, 11:18 am, in reply to "The age of Juan Crow in America. Reason to despise your gov't."

Your article is full of it!! You apparentlly are clueless or the writer of the article is totally clueless of how many LEGAL Latinos are in America....and they voted Trump into office, because the LEGAL Latinos do NOT LIKE the level of ILLEGAL LATINOS and otther ILLEGALS that drastically destroyed our border under the victorious President Biden......SAD!!

I lived amongst the Latinos at one time and they at that time would not allow their daughters to date the Green Card Latinos that came in LEGALLY from Mexico and other Latino countries.....and that IS a FACT!! Amongst the Latinos......

A very long article. AI? Too much read for my attention span.

Posted by GOG on July 30, 2025, 4:03 pm, in reply to "LOLOL"

A quick peruse and I have to agree with you.

You think this is funny

Posted by Trish on July 29, 2025, 12:36 pm, in reply to "LOLOL"

Unidentifyable people without warrants who can just snatch up anyone they want if they feel they MIGHT be illegal (hey, I don't like that guy's shirt, let's grab him)

American's are being detained and deported who have (a) done nothing wrong and (b) have no "probable cause" for such actions. ICE is sloppy and getting worse because there is NO disciplinary actions. In fact, they're praised and given bonuses even if they got the wrong people, or people trying to go to their legally mandated court date or,....

after a case of mistaken identity a man was told to shave his beard by ICE https://www.newsweek.com/us-citizen-detained-ice-shave-beard-immigration-2105494

An 18 year old CITIZEN was told he has no rights https://www.palmbeachpost.com/story/news/local/2025/07/22/ice-raids-florida-citizen-lived-immigrants-nightmare-of-being-arrested/84504993007/

71 year old citizen detained

Another citizen held because of filming a raid https://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/immigration-raid-arrest-us-citizen-home-depot-filming-job-garcia-rcna216559

Detained due to incorrect identification https://www.aclu.org/press-releases/federal-court-rules-in-favor-of-u-s-citizen-illegally-detained-for-deportation-by-florida-sheriff

Citizen deported TWICE because they didn't look into her provided information Long Beach artist Patricia Bonilla was deported — first to Mexico, then to El Salvador — after losing her ID during a medical crisis. She’s a legal U.S. resident with a green card. But she got swept up during one of the immigration raids in L.A., when ICE, Border Patrol, and even military forces were conducting joint operations.
She didn’t have her papers on her. She was unwell. And instead of verifying anything, they deported her. Twice. 😳

I could go on CS, but the fact that you find this funny does not speak well of your faith

You be white? Me too. Relax. You are safe.

Posted by GOG on July 30, 2025, 4:05 pm, in reply to "You think this is funny"

Someone has to but the nit in wit

Posted by Mugwump on July 30, 2025, 9:54 am, in reply to "You think this is funny"

Who more apt than Deanna?

You win!

Posted by observer on July 30, 2025, 10:00 am, in reply to "Someone has to but the nit in wit"

But only in the “low goals are attainable” category. The decency of Deanna is not besmirched by your lack of decency.

More pyrite posing as something of value.

Posted by Mugwump on July 30, 2025, 10:03 am, in reply to "You win!"

Still putting the nit in nit wit?

Posted by observer on July 30, 2025, 11:09 am, in reply to "More pyrite posing as something of value."

Your self incrimination is sad.

Such originality! Such "Christian" good will. Note that I never

Posted by Mugwump on July 30, 2025, 11:30 am, in reply to "Still putting the nit in nit wit?"

initiate an exchange with you as I fail to see rreason to stoop so low. So, if you can quit your babbling and stick to
something more befitting your Richter Scale IQ, we should be just fine.

You would like for your mere opinions to go unchallenged, and

Posted by observer on July 30, 2025, 11:35 am, in reply to "Such originality! Such "Christian" good will. Note that I never"

often they do. Still the board welcomes dissent and you deserve it.

offer instead YOUR addled mere opinions.

Posted by mugwump on July 31, 2025, 9:49 am, in reply to "You would like for your mere opinions to go unchallenged, and"

Now that is a lie. I have seen the replies you just want to look all grand

Posted by Trish on July 30, 2025, 3:08 pm, in reply to "You would like for your mere opinions to go unchallenged, and"

I suspect God does not appreciate your ego

A lie?

Posted by observer on July 30, 2025, 3:39 pm, in reply to "Now that is a lie. I have seen the replies you just want to look all grand "

Prove your claim. You, too, are given to mere opinions, and lots of them The ego I have is given to me by God. Your opinion of it is probably from his nemesis.

Pulling the "god" card is wimping out

Posted by Trish on July 30, 2025, 4:31 pm, in reply to "A lie?"

And to imply I am in league with a power that doesn't even exist is silly. Sometime I will give you a history lesson on what HaSatan actually means and how it was used linguistically, not that you'd read it anyway.

I provide points upon points with LINKS. If you don't read them, it's on you.

And when was the last time you did something other than your opinion?

I hope you pray in the closet like you're supposed to. But you need to be listening more and talking less.

Memory issues?

Posted by observer on July 30, 2025, 6:23 pm, in reply to "Pulling the "god" card is wimping out"

You started the God talk. As for your links . . .

Okay let's look at Racism

Posted by t on July 31, 2025, 7:53 am, in reply to "Memory issues?"

There have been spikes in racist incidents, including neo-Nazi marches and online hate messages, after certain political events.

Hate Crimes on the rise https://usafacts.org/articles/which-groups-have-experienced-an-increase-in-hate-crimes/

The number of reported hate crimes has more than doubled since 2013 (this doesn't include a percentage of unreported matters)

Studies like the Black Progress Index reveal ongoing racial disparities in areas such as income, wealth, education, housing, and health. https://www.urban.org/racial-equity-analytics-lab/structural-racism-explainer-collection/causes-and-consequences-separate-and-unequal-neighborhoods#:~:text=These%20policies%20and%20practices%20systematically,levels%20of%20crime%20and%20violence.

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4194634/#:~:text=Education%20and%20Training%20There%20is%20also%20a,especially%20the%20medical%20community%2C%20must%20be%20raised.

Discrimination continues in areas like housing and lending, and some policies continue to perpetuate segregation.

Racism as a public health issue: https://www.congress.gov/bill/119th-congress/senate-resolution/67/text

minorities, particularly Black and Hispanic individuals, are more likely to be arrested than their White counterparts.

Black and Hispanic individuals are more likely to be denied bail or have higher bail amounts set compared to White individuals. They also tend to face longer sentences and harsher punishments. https://www.pew.org/en/research-and-analysis/issue-briefs/2023/05/racial-disparities-persist-in-many-us-jails#:~:text=Research%20has%20shown%20that%20Black%20and%20Hispanic,sanctions%2C%20such%20as%20incarceration%20rather%20than%20probation.

Black and Hispanic individuals are disproportionately targeted in traffic stops and searches, even when there isn't reasonable suspicion. https://www.ppic.org/publication/racial-disparities-in-law-enforcement-stops/#:~:text=Black%20residents%20are%20overrepresented%20in%20police%20stops&text=For%20example%2C%20while%20more%20than,to%20a%20call%20for%20services.

That "put" not "but, of course

Posted by Mugwump on July 30, 2025, 9:58 am, in reply to "Someone has to but the nit in wit"

At least I didn't add a moronic LOL to the post.

No! I Think The Hysteria of The Left IS Ridiculous IS All...

Posted by Deanna on July 29, 2025, 7:29 pm, in reply to "You think this is funny"

No need to reiterate...it all....as I realize Democrats support to the hilt the immigration of ILLEGALS!! Sadly!!!

You’re right. Their behavior elected Trum

Posted by observer on July 30, 2025, 9:24 am, in reply to "No! I Think The Hysteria of The Left IS Ridiculous IS All..."

money , Elon's influence, and lies elected him

Posted by Trish on August 2, 2025, 10:59 am, in reply to "You’re right. Their behavior elected Trum"

As well as THAT attitude, the other party hallmark, anything but

Posted by observer on August 2, 2025, 7:02 pm, in reply to "money , Elon's influence, and lies elected him"

the truth. I like that it more or less guarantees continued success for those who take strong exception to the extreme perverse values of the opposition.

Perverse values. That's rich.

Posted by Trish on August 4, 2025, 12:22 pm, in reply to "As well as THAT attitude, the other party hallmark, anything but"

From 1973 until he was elected president in 2016,
Trump has been found liable for sexual abuse and defamation[12] and is appealing an order to pay more than $80 million in damages to the victim, E. Jean Carroll.

Numerous women have come forward about sexual misconduct. He had affairs, defrauded a charity, ran a false school, Has spoken about how he watched girls undressed at pagents, and of course there's "grab em by the pu**y" remark. Yeah, there's family values for you.

Trump, together with his associates, has also been found liable for fraud regarding overvaluation of the Trump Organization and Trump's net worth, and is appealing a $364 million fine[16] plus $100 million interest.

In 2024, Trump was convicted on numerous counts of falsifying business records related to hush money payments to adult film actress Stormy Daniels,[19] although his sentencing was indefinitely postponed following his second election to the presidency.[20]

Donald Trump and his businesses were involved in over 4,000 legal cases in United States federal and state courts, including battles with casino patrons, million-dollar real estate lawsuits, personal defamation lawsuits, and over 100 business tax disputes.

There's more but I think you need to reconsider your values if you approve of all this

You believe that. You delightfully choose to believe that.

Posted by observer on August 4, 2025, 5:25 pm, in reply to "Perverse values. That's rich. "

You deny that the far left and their judges exercised all the power they could muster to defeat Trump because they feared what he would discover and deal with. Well, get a clue, girl. That conspiracy cost them the election. Pay attention to what’s happening now. It’s all being discovered with evidence, witnesses, et al. Your head buried in the sand won’t make one little bit of difference.

you do know that some of those judges were appointed by Republicans "girl"

Posted by trish on August 5, 2025, 5:42 am, in reply to "You believe that. You delightfully choose to believe that."

I am fully aware of what's going on now, but it doesn't excuse Trump nor make his legal problems simply disappear.

Every single time something goes wrong it's so-in-so's fault. This administration takes NO RESPONSIBILITY for it's own actions.

It also creates some type of big news whenever they want a distraction.

If you can't see that, or admit that, you have your head buried somewhere.

PS are you telling me over 4,000 legal cases were rigged against tRump?

Posted by trish on August 5, 2025, 5:47 am, in reply to "you do know that some of those judges were appointed by Republicans "girl""

Are you telling me NONE of the fines he has to pay are because of his own misdeeds?

You are telling me he did NOT overvalue net worth (something easily proven, and was proven)

He said he stood back stage and watched those girls HIS WORDS NOT MINE

Truly!

Posted by Deanna on July 31, 2025, 8:12 am, in reply to "You’re right. Their behavior elected Trum"

Many years ago....a woman that professed Anti Christ/God started all of this left wing movement that Democrats have embraced to the hilt...and it has done nothing but destroy the once Great USA....

Thank God, Trump is trying to save the once Great USA!!! Hopefully!

You are absolutely wrong

Posted by Trish on July 30, 2025, 8:55 am, in reply to "No! I Think The Hysteria of The Left IS Ridiculous IS All..."

There is a right way to do this and a wrong way. ICE is being sloppy, often leaving broken-down doors to the wrong home (for example) in their wake. They act like bullies, often violent when non is necessary, won't properly identify themselves, and often don't have proper paperwork.

They are taking the wrong people, including people going to court to do THE RIGHT THING. They are NOT focusing on getting the bad guys first. Studies show that 65% of those taken into ICE custody have no criminal convictions. Furthermore, over 93% of those with criminal convictions do not have violent offenses

I get it. There's a problem here to be solved including overhauling the immigration system. There is a significant backlog:

Immigration Courts: There are currently 3.7 million cases pending in U.S. immigration courts

Asylum Applications: As of December 31, 2024, there are over 1.4 million affirmative asylum applications pending with USCIS.

Processing Backlogs: Beyond the court system, USCIS (U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services) also faces a significant backlog in processing other applications and forms.

Will you ever be on the correct side of an argument?

Posted by observer on July 30, 2025, 11:11 am, in reply to "You are absolutely wrong"

Is it impossible simply because it is “right”?

Will you ever actually read what was presented?

Posted by Trish on July 31, 2025, 5:50 pm, in reply to "Will you ever be on the correct side of an argument?"

I believe I am

Posted by Trish on July 30, 2025, 3:06 pm, in reply to "Will you ever be on the correct side of an argument?"

You, of course, will declare a broad judgment. Sad really. You point fingers and lay blame rather than really TALKING about what's happening

You pretend to be profound but end up braying as always.

Posted by Mugwump on July 30, 2025, 1:25 pm, in reply to "Will you ever be on the correct side of an argument?"

When ICE is attempting to rectify the situation created by the previous Administration, which...

Posted by CE0802 on July 29, 2025, 2:06 pm, in reply to "You think this is funny"

...allowed 10,000,000+ unvetted illegals to invade our country, there are BOUND to be glitches here and there.

And those small number of glitches will be corrected, and ICE will move on.

I voted for mass deportations. NOT just the "violent criminal illegals." ANYONE who has had the audacity to live in this country illegally.

And I KNEW when I voted for mass deportations that (1) there would be some glitches, and that (2) the Libs would try to make as MUCH of the glitches as they could.

Totally predictable.

GO ICE!!!

You Are 100% Correct !!!

Posted by Deanna on August 1, 2025, 7:16 pm, in reply to "When ICE is attempting to rectify the situation created by the previous Administration, which..."

And that is a FACT!!!

Not only that but in sanctimonious sanctified cities, ICE does not

Posted by observer on July 30, 2025, 9:29 am, in reply to "When ICE is attempting to rectify the situation created by the previous Administration, which..."

/cannot have the support of local law enforcement to help identify the criminal element. Therefore, with local activism, ICE is working with little or not help and lots of opposition. Rational people get it.

You call people having their lives and reputations upended

Posted by Trish on July 30, 2025, 8:59 am, in reply to "When ICE is attempting to rectify the situation created by the previous Administration, which..."

just a "glitch?"

People are saying "I AM A CITIZEN"..

Some are not even given the chance to provide paperwork, get counsel, or contact their families

Some have been deported who ARE citizens.

These are not glitches. The way ICE is manhandling everything speaks for itself. Their approach is not professional. These people LOVE to be nasty (just watch body cams).

Telling people you have no rights? Yeah that's a glitch my patootie

These illegals upended themselves.

Posted by GOG on July 30, 2025, 4:10 pm, in reply to "You call people having their lives and reputations upended"

Reputations can be restored by leaving.

Dont be obtuse. I was talking about LEGAL citizens being

Posted by Trish on July 31, 2025, 5:48 pm, in reply to "These illegals upended themselves."

swept up in this mess

Exactly, but ignored by the TDS crowd.

Posted by observer on July 30, 2025, 8:40 pm, in reply to "These illegals upended themselves."

RIF

Posted by Trish on July 31, 2025, 5:49 pm, in reply to "Exactly, but ignored by the TDS crowd."

talking about US Citizens, dear. Check your glasses

I call letting 10,000,000+ unvetted illegals invade our country treason.

Posted by CE0802 on July 30, 2025, 2:54 pm, in reply to "You call people having their lives and reputations upended"

So now suddenly you care about people?

10,000,000+ illegals crossing the border.

Many of them raped and abused on their way over.

Many of them unaccompanied minors. 300,000+ of those unaccompanied minors were LOST by the Biden Administration, and now many of them are being trafficked and abused.

MILLIONS of lives "upended", to put it mildly.

And not so much as a PEEP out of people like you.

Oh, but NOW you care? Bullsh*t.

These people are just political pawns to you. You don't give a rat's ass about ANY of them.

what do you know of what I have or have not done?

Posted by Trish on July 30, 2025, 3:04 pm, in reply to "I call letting 10,000,000+ unvetted illegals invade our country treason."

Stop playing the "I know everything, and I'm always right" card.

If you know millions of lives were upended, people who were abused, why do you support EVEN MORE?

If you want to keep pointing backward, that is not an excuse for the abhorrent behavior of ICE that goes unchecked

I don't recall you weeping for the illegals being trafficked across the border. Did you?

Posted by CE0802 on July 31, 2025, 5:36 am, in reply to "what do you know of what I have or have not done?"

Biden and Harris created this problem.

Now Trump has to clean it up.

If the clean up process gets a little messy at times, I blame the ones who created the problem in the first place.

I find it interesting that you try to defend ICE interfering

Posted by Trish on July 31, 2025, 5:52 pm, in reply to "I don't recall you weeping for the illegals being trafficked across the border. Did you?"

with LEGAL CITIZENS

I had to go downtown and drop of my Utility payment yesterday.

Posted by CE0802 on August 2, 2025, 6:43 am, in reply to "I find it interesting that you try to defend ICE interfering"

Halfway there I realized that I had forgotten my wallet.

No ID!

If I had been stopped by ICE, I would have told them my name, my address, and anything else they asked for.

And after they said "Thank you, sir, Have a nice day" I would have said "Thank you for all you do."

If you refuse to identify yourself and act like a jackass, you get what you deserve.

you do know they're not being that polite, right?

Posted by Trish on August 2, 2025, 10:58 am, in reply to "I had to go downtown and drop of my Utility payment yesterday."

and I assume you are white... just guessing

What I don't know is how these interactions go, start to finish.

Posted by CE0802 on August 4, 2025, 10:50 am, in reply to "you do know they're not being that polite, right?"

Maybe you've watched the body cam video, start to finish. I haven't.

If they approach an Hispanic person on a job site and immediately tackle him to the ground and put cuffs on him and punch him in the face and put a knee in his back, yeah, that's wrong.

If they approach an Hispanic person and say "What's your name" and he tells them, and then "And what's your address" and he tells them, and then "Are you an American citizen" and he says "Yes", and they put that info into their database and it all checks out...and THEN they tackle him to the ground and put cuffs on him and punch him in the face and put a knee in his back, yeah, that's wrong.

If they approach an Hispanic person and say "What's your name" and he tells them, and then "And what's your address" and he tells them, and then "Are you an American citizen" and he says "Yes", and they put that info into their database and it all checks out and they say "Thank you, sir, Have a nice day"...

...that's likely the way it happens.

Amen!

Posted by Deanna on July 31, 2025, 8:14 am, in reply to "I don't recall you weeping for the illegals being trafficked across the border. Did you?"

They love the idea, so long as it isn't them that get hurt.

Posted by Mugwump on July 30, 2025, 10:11 am, in reply to "You call people having their lives and reputations upended"

It's the special "Christian" thing, I guess.

Oh Brother!!

Posted by Deanna on August 1, 2025, 7:20 pm, in reply to "They love the idea, so long as it isn't them that get hurt."

It doesn't get any snarkier than that, when one is losing an argument! Sad, sad, sad!!!

Should that be "they"?

Posted by Mugwump on July 30, 2025, 11:04 am, in reply to "They love the idea, so long as it isn't them that get hurt."

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