The Deuce: it's fun how instead of using logic, reason, facts or numbers to disagree

Big news on the hoops board - jdl December 15, 2025, 15:15:51

sidejack: anyone been following the Bardo saga? - Blazer December 19, 2025, 13:34:48
- Did he drive down there in a convertible and is now repairing a dilapidated boat on the beach? - timmer December 19, 2025, 14:36:24
- In one of his videos he mentioned chemtrails* - biclops December 19, 2025, 14:10:20
- He definitely went off the deep end* - illini21 December 19, 2025, 13:36:17
It seems every year about this time my subconscious reminds of that piece of shit DA in Lawrence, KS - opossum jenkins December 18, 2025, 19:43:28
- I wonder how TSjr's lawsuits are going. He's suing everyone involved IIRC.* - Warrin'_Illini December 19, 2025, 13:52:34
- I still cant believe it went to trial* - Dilbert December 18, 2025, 19:50:24
defense bad - biclops December 18, 2025, 19:12:42
Interesting projection site I hadn’t seen previously. 1% chance of a 1 seed. - DocWalk20 December 18, 2025, 9:57:26
- Here's one with a 4% chance - jdl December 18, 2025, 11:39:13
  - Keep looking, keep looking!!! :-) * - osklister December 18, 2025, 12:13:51
ooo - jdl December 17, 2025, 19:20:42
- Awesome. * - harb December 17, 2025, 19:35:17
If you needed more evidence how much ESPN sucks - jdl December 16, 2025, 22:47:22
- Yikes* - OB25 December 16, 2025, 22:48:59
  - Some day one of his/her made-up stories is going to come true; and... whoo boy. - osklister December 17, 2025, 9:04:21
New guy will not participate in games, just practice and strength training.* - OB25 December 16, 2025, 19:50:22
ESPN 100 has Wagler at 25… - LeatherneckIllini December 16, 2025, 13:39:31
- …right behind #24 Dame Sarr* - DocWalk20 December 17, 2025, 10:42:04
Can’t imagine the takes in the 24 minute Sleepers video about us signing a practice body. - OB25 December 16, 2025, 13:21:07
Does anybody have any recent highlights of Bilic? All I see are videos from 2 years ago. - JFG December 16, 2025, 12:57:05
- Is he dribbling around chairs?* - Phytynlini December 16, 2025, 13:32:28
  - If he was on Indiana, the chairs would be stealing the ball. (Or at least flying.) * - osklister December 16, 2025, 13:41:06
- Apparently he hasn't been playing on any teams - jdl December 16, 2025, 13:05:09
  - I’ve read nothing that suggests he’ll make any kind of impact this year - AintHatin December 16, 2025, 13:21:41
Miznoz often seemed to get a guy "eligible" right after Fall Semester. Just in time 4 Braggin' Right - osklister December 16, 2025, 12:01:31
The internet seems very mad that we just signed a pro who can get off the plane - gvibes December 16, 2025, 9:27:55
- Our fanbase is in a weird and fairly toxic place right now. - OB25 December 16, 2025, 10:53:47
  - I mean, that's kind of where we've always been - jdl December 16, 2025, 12:51:17
    - Agree that there’s a fine line between flexibility as a positive feature for a head coach… - OB25 December 16, 2025, 13:09:36
  - I'd say Kylan was a pretty big get in the portal last year, but your point stands* - Blazer December 16, 2025, 12:02:23
    - That’s valid, though his stock was down quite a bit by the end of his time at Arizona* - OB25 December 16, 2025, 12:30:22
  - I think that's all very fair. - ijustkrushalot December 16, 2025, 11:08:58
    - I think a big source of frustration with Illinois is that they never overachieve - Sounder December 16, 2025, 11:54:55
      - Approximately 80% of our tourney games have been as the higher seed - Blazer December 16, 2025, 12:06:44
        
        A bit of chicken and egg there - DT December 16, 2025, 12:31:29
        
        I can't deny that, though I'd also note we've had all of 16 opportunities to beat a higher seed - Blazer December 16, 2025, 12:45:09
    - Yeah I don’t get the stay in your lane attitude - snipes824 December 16, 2025, 11:35:07
      - i didn't express any preferences - ijustkrushalot December 16, 2025, 11:54:01
      - As long as we're still at or near the top of the "best programs to have never won a title" list - IlliniOllie December 16, 2025, 11:51:23
        
        Don't we hold that distinction rather convincingly?* - Sounder December 16, 2025, 13:09:50
        
        It's us, Purdue and Houston IMO * - jdl December 16, 2025, 13:21:13
        
        us and Purdue - assassin December 16, 2025, 13:20:37
        
        I think you can rephrase that to "as long as we continue to watch sports" * - ijustkrushalot December 16, 2025, 11:54:23
      - That’s definitely not what I’m trying to say. I count myself as part of the group I’m describing… - OB25 December 16, 2025, 11:50:36
        
        agree* - OWWDig December 16, 2025, 12:30:28
        
        Well said* - Blazer December 16, 2025, 12:08:23
        
        100% aligned. I feel the exact same way - snipes824 December 16, 2025, 11:59:15
        
        That list of coaches to never win a NC was a good perspective giver.* - JFG December 16, 2025, 11:53:47
        
        Yeah. And Izzo only winning one is kind of crazy to think about - DT December 16, 2025, 12:03:12
        
        And that Izzo NC was the last one the B1G has won. - tvillini December 16, 2025, 12:47:30
      - We've also seen the "Be careful what you wish for" side though...and no one wants - OWWDig December 16, 2025, 11:41:59
        
        This has zero to do with firing underwood, which I’d never do - snipes824 December 16, 2025, 11:47:43
        
        Love Brad. But I'm completely Veruca Salt on this program. - JFG December 16, 2025, 13:01:01
        
        You'll have nothing and like it* - AintHatin December 16, 2025, 13:03:20
        
        100% the most likely outcome.* - JFG December 16, 2025, 13:04:39
        
        gotcha. but in general, that's what I keep seeing (fire Brad). as to the other point, - OWWDig December 16, 2025, 12:28:43
        
        It's also always worth pointing out in these conversations that social media isn't real - Blazer December 16, 2025, 12:34:05
        
        The call in shows are more real...but yea, I see your point there. But I also hear it - OWWDig December 16, 2025, 13:15:51
        
        I'd trust Whitman to make a good hire much more than I'd trust Guenther and/or Thomas - IlliniSax05 December 16, 2025, 11:46:00
        
        Fair. Yes, about JW's competence.* - OWWDig December 16, 2025, 12:29:12
- Don't believe he is a pro * - jdl December 16, 2025, 10:31:49
- the new wild west is a bit of a culture shock* - Sammich December 16, 2025, 9:46:24
- All good by me. I just want somebody that can (and will) play defense. - JFG December 16, 2025, 9:35:43
I wonder what good ole Matic Vesel is doing these days-* - Ron McDon December 15, 2025, 18:44:34
- Looks like most recently averaging 8 points 9 boards for Gorica, a Slovenian team. * - larue33 December 15, 2025, 19:29:01
If he can’t play defense, I don’t care - snipes824 December 15, 2025, 15:36:12
- Also why I have been huffing the Ty Rodgers copium non-stop. - Warrin'_Illini December 15, 2025, 15:49:44
  - I agree. The problem is I don’t know if we know for sure that Ty is a good defender - snipes824 December 15, 2025, 15:56:59
    - Latulip has talked a lot about this over the last year at different points - Blazer December 15, 2025, 16:02:47
    - Right, it's pure copium. He's tough and dogged, which gives me some hope he - Warrin'_Illini December 15, 2025, 15:59:43
      - Morez being on Michigan is a crime - snipes824 December 15, 2025, 16:04:34
        
        I feel like both Rodgers and Johnson were recruited when Underwood wanted to be Houston - larue33 December 15, 2025, 16:31:29
        
        Definitely all true - snipes824 December 15, 2025, 16:53:51
- This is where I'm at - Blazer December 15, 2025, 15:45:02
  - It’s either the X’s and O’s or the roster builds - snipes824 December 15, 2025, 15:54:37
    - My eye test from watching this team on defense is that we’re kinda slow - meanjeans December 15, 2025, 18:21:53
    - This team could very well be a top 10 KenPom team a few weeks from now - OB25 December 15, 2025, 16:12:40
      - I still fall back to the position that most of our problems are due to Tomi's health - jdl December 15, 2025, 16:33:35
        
        I’d like to think this is true, and the TN game supports this theory* - Herman Blume December 15, 2025, 20:10:32
        
        I'm glad we only have like 3 games over the next 4 weeks. Hopefully he can get back on track.* - Warrin'_Illini December 15, 2025, 17:00:45
      - This is not me reacting to one loss - snipes824 December 15, 2025, 16:24:19
        
        I’m on the same page about really wanting to see us take that last step as a program - OB25 December 15, 2025, 16:35:13
        
        That season ended up strange because of the Shannon thing - snipes824 December 15, 2025, 16:52:11
        
        We were #9 on Jan 5th and then it got wonky for a bit due to Shannon’s situation. - OB25 December 15, 2025, 17:01:17
        
        It feels like it’s always *just* out of reach for us - snipes824 December 15, 2025, 17:18:58
        
        The counterpoint is that this is what it's like for virtually every college basketball - Blazer December 15, 2025, 19:00:33
        
        Right, I don’t expect to be a 1 seed every year - snipes824 December 15, 2025, 20:03:32
        
        Meh, the feelings are valid. Such is the plight of a fan base that’s never won a NC. - JFG December 15, 2025, 20:27:34
        
        Even if Tomi turned into the best C in college basketball, this team is nowhere close to playing - voiceofreason December 15, 2025, 17:34:12
      - I'm on record that the next three weeks should tell us everything - Blazer December 15, 2025, 16:16:32
    - He made it clear he was going to favor offense over defense - jdl December 15, 2025, 16:01:40
      - I prefer offense over defense as well, but you need athletes at this level - snipes824 December 15, 2025, 16:07:19
        
        Even with that, you can still play good D without them - jdl December 15, 2025, 16:10:08
        
        Fair - snipes824 December 15, 2025, 16:14:49
      - Yep--and if you have to choose one over the other, choose offense - Blazer December 15, 2025, 16:05:14
        
        His last defense at SFA was 38 on kenpom - jdl December 15, 2025, 16:06:27
        
        Fair enough, but the two years before that it was - Blazer December 15, 2025, 16:11:48
    - Yep. And I'll always take this over Weber ball - Blazer December 15, 2025, 15:59:32
      - I don't think his defenses have been that bad - jdl December 15, 2025, 16:05:38
  - OrangeBozo has returned* - JeffFrank December 15, 2025, 15:48:18
    - Get fucked loser* - JacobRDaugherty December 15, 2025, 19:33:03
    - ooooo - Blazer December 15, 2025, 15:51:10
    - it's fun how instead of using logic, reason, facts or numbers to disagree - assassin December 15, 2025, 15:50:37
One of the insiders floated this weekend that a lack of practice bodies has been causing issues. - OB25 December 15, 2025, 15:26:47
- This kid is a beanpole - illini December 15, 2025, 15:34:24
- Yeah seems like added depth - jdl December 15, 2025, 15:31:15
  - Practice depth piece for sure - Kajagoogoo December 15, 2025, 15:36:23
I would tap the breaks here. I'm hearing he looks a bit "clunky" on film. - OWWDig December 15, 2025, 15:26:44
I don't know the full story here, but this feels a little like flailing. - tvillini December 15, 2025, 15:26:23
Can he dunk?* - voiceofreason December 15, 2025, 15:21:00
I haven't stopped stewing since we lost to Nebrasketball. This is big news. - Warrin'_Illini December 15, 2025, 15:20:55
can he play defense?* - assassin December 15, 2025, 15:20:13
I'm intrigued* - reggiedunlop December 15, 2025, 15:19:02
I assume we have a roster spot for him or did Petrovic really leave (kidding) - Tbag December 15, 2025, 15:17:42
- Do Redd or Fagbemi have a scholarship? Otherwise it seems like we are at 12* - shua December 15, 2025, 15:21:49
  - There aren't scholarship limits any more, just 15 roster spots - jdl December 15, 2025, 15:23:43
- We had an open spot * - jdl December 15, 2025, 15:21:03
All the IC's!* - UofIL6 December 15, 2025, 15:16:57
- Suck our Vics - Tbag December 15, 2025, 15:19:38
  - but this guy is a Lic* - OWWDig December 15, 2025, 15:24:13
    - True...true...he ruined it. How about Lic our Vics?* - Tbag December 15, 2025, 15:27:45
WAT?* - ATL December 15, 2025, 15:16:07

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