Fine, fair enough. I'll hope you agree that AKME sucked more than GARPAX, but they
both weren't good enough. I'll never get over how bad the Vooch trade ended up, though. Two first round picks and a decent young center for a one-way, older center. The Bulls were routinely in the bottom 3 for rim defense during the Vooch years and they never did anything to address it. They were absolute cunts about it too. Good riddance.  Previous Message
and Wendell Carter was the #7 overall pick. He should be more than just a "solid NBA center and a good defensive player." and how much of that can be attributed to development he's received in the 6 years he's been in Orlando?
as for the other guys...being "better than their successors" doesn't make someone a good pick. they provided little to nothing of value to the Bulls. James Johnson averaged 7.4 ppg and 3.5 rpg for his career, both of which were better than the 1+ year he spent in Chicago. That's terrible. Tony Snell averaged 6.1 ppg/2.3 rpg. Bobby Portis was the best of the three, averaging 12.1 ppg/7.1 rpg. But that was mostly after they dealt him to Washington. He had a good 3rd year with them but that's it. Players being putting up decent numbers for other teams doesn't mean you drafted well in selecting them.
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 NBA Playoffs - illini222 April 14, 2026, 22:22:04
- Shams says Ant intent on playing tonight on tv r/n* - assassin Today, 14:02:50
- lol Boston gone fishin' was amazing - nash Today, 9:33:23
- Magic just fell apart. Meaningful minutes for bulls legend Javon Carter. Not ideal.* - Toonces Yesterday, 16:25:12
- The Eastern Conference playoffs kind of feel like they’re being done just for fun at this point - OB25 May 2, 2026, 21:15:22
- 7 straight misses for Boston after getting it down to 1* - illini222 May 2, 2026, 21:00:17
- is vuc hurt or just bad?* - Ari Gold May 2, 2026, 20:25:09
- This is one terrible game 7 starting lineup for the Celtics - OrangeSox May 2, 2026, 18:47:03
- Looks like Ayo is out for Game 1 against San Antonio* - JacobRDaugherty May 2, 2026, 9:28:29
- Damn* - illini21 May 2, 2026, 10:12:20
- What in the world is going on in these playoffs? HOU with 38 points midway through 3rd quarter* - OB25 May 1, 2026, 22:23:26
- Having these games on prime while kickass hockey games are on espn is such a pain in the ass* - John Coctostan May 1, 2026, 21:16:22
- Streaming is so great!* - gullit May 2, 2026, 9:29:30
- Shades of the kawhi winner* - John Coctostan May 1, 2026, 21:36:53
- Okay but that RJ Barrett three was worth it* - illini21 May 1, 2026, 21:27:51
- OMG what a bounce in Toronto* - OB25 May 1, 2026, 21:27:27
- Yup* - illini21 May 1, 2026, 21:23:25
- For sure. * - illinijohn May 1, 2026, 21:21:17
- Don’t think I’ve ever seen anything like this in an NBA game* - illini21 May 1, 2026, 20:35:03
- The Magic have 12 points in the second half - illini21 May 1, 2026, 20:17:05
- Detroit and Orlando really have taken basketball back to the late 90’s. - OB25 May 1, 2026, 20:12:23
- TWolves post on FB: “can’t spell playoffs without AYO”* - PapaDels May 1, 2026, 20:06:04
- WCjr balling, Vuc unplayable on the Celtics. Ugly games tonight.* - Toonces May 1, 2026, 18:54:44
- Are we a modern blue blood now? Final four, great coach, NBA pipeline - MC May 1, 2026, 11:08:31
- Look at Kentucky’s all time NBA contract value and get back to me. We aren’t close.* - voiceofreason May 1, 2026, 19:05:17
- A bunch of buzzkills here - MC May 1, 2026, 14:44:53
- I don't really think we're particularly close* - illini21 May 1, 2026, 13:55:53
- I think it’s Duke/UCONN as royalty and then a slew of various noble programs - assassin May 1, 2026, 13:13:16
- Until we win a title, that discussion isn't on the table. Michigan is much closer than we are... - uofi1998 May 1, 2026, 11:43:34
- Y'all realize there's a non-zero chance Ayo and TJ start together, right? - uofi1998 May 1, 2026, 10:45:09
- Man, watching TSJ with a full head of steam will never get old - illini21 May 1, 2026, 8:28:38
- Our twin demon Illini sons are making me very proud. Go Wolves!* - Warrin'_Illini May 1, 2026, 8:22:31
- Also, I am side-eyeing Chris Finch a little bit. He admitted in the post-game that he didn't realiz - Warrin'_Illini May 1, 2026, 10:02:57
- Said below, but Wolves need to have him be primary outlet bringing the ball up. - Carl Spackler May 1, 2026, 10:35:31
- I gotta say the excitement over hiring a Paxson guy is a little weird to me - CanHartlebHireSnider May 1, 2026, 10:07:09
- The Garpax era definitely ran it's course, but he was a good evaluator of talent and has a very - Warrin'_Illini May 1, 2026, 10:18:36
- I don’t think with a healthy Rose the Bulls are beating Lebron - CanHartlebHireSnider May 1, 2026, 10:25:18
- People were celebrating, me included, when GARPAX got ousted. Jim Boylen might be the worst coaching - Warrin'_Illini May 1, 2026, 10:43:53
- In GarPax final 3 seasons they had a .310 win % which would be 25 wins a season - CanHartlebHireSnider May 1, 2026, 10:55:17
- Thibs did well to develop guys like Jimmy and Joakim into all stars - IlliniSax05 May 1, 2026, 10:48:58
- Jimmy Butler at 31, Taj Gibson, Joakim Noah, Ben Gordon, Wendell Carter Jr. - Warrin'_Illini May 1, 2026, 11:00:57
- what exactly did wendell carter do? - IlliniSax05 May 1, 2026, 11:16:20
- He's currently a big reason why the #8 seed are bullying the #1 seed Pistons out of the playoffs. - Warrin'_Illini May 1, 2026, 11:27:17
- The Magic are an 8-seed with a 4-seed roster... kinda misleading* - uofi1998 May 1, 2026, 11:47:41
- I think "bullying the #1 seed out of the playoffs" is a bit much given the series is 3-2 - IlliniSax05 May 1, 2026, 11:45:35
- Fine, fair enough. I'll hope you agree that AKME sucked more than GARPAX, but they - Warrin'_Illini May 1, 2026, 11:54:52
- They didn’t just not recover from it, they doubled down! Both front offices sucked though. - Toonces May 1, 2026, 11:34:39
- agreed. they looked great in the regular season(s) because Thibs coached every game like game 7 - IlliniSax05 May 1, 2026, 10:43:24
- I would be good with the Lloyd hire. He seems really smart and well liked. - JacobRDaugherty May 1, 2026, 10:13:48
- Silly me - biclops May 1, 2026, 8:09:48
- What an embarrassing loss and series loss for the Nuggets.* - Carl Spackler May 1, 2026, 6:04:16
- Quite a sports night in the Twin Cities. Not something said often.* - OB25 April 30, 2026, 23:28:07
- Pretty amazing to play so well when you haven’t been getting regular playing time. * - Toonces April 30, 2026, 23:25:27
- So happy for TSJ and Ayo in this series.* - OB25 April 30, 2026, 23:12:09
- TSJ and one!* - Blazer April 30, 2026, 23:09:46
- Terrible TO for the Wolves—had TSJ free on the break* - Blazer April 30, 2026, 23:00:10
- How's that foul on Gobert on Murray-if it was on Gobert it was the push on Jokic* - illini222 April 30, 2026, 22:58:12
- Big 3 for TJ * - jdl April 30, 2026, 22:52:44
- I love how every time they an the camera to Ayo, he looks 110% locked in* - gvibes April 30, 2026, 22:51:31
- Joker has been kind of a bitch this series* - Blazer April 30, 2026, 22:39:27
- Jokic basically did nothing there. Scrub trying to bait him into an ejection* - John Coctostan April 30, 2026, 22:39:04
- Gotdam TJ* - AintHatin April 30, 2026, 21:46:15
- Looks like Shannon starts tonight * - larue33 April 30, 2026, 20:44:02
- Knicks lead Hawks 57-19 with 8 left in the 2nd lol* - assassin April 30, 2026, 18:57:05
- Ayo questionable. What a cursed series for them* - gvibes April 30, 2026, 10:58:33
- Ayo OUT - assassin April 30, 2026, 18:59:52
- TSJ with 15 in 14 min on 6-10. Nice.* - Carl Spackler April 28, 2026, 7:49:33
- Here’s three minutes of Simmons and Zach Lowe gushing over Ayo on Simmons’ pod - Blazer April 28, 2026, 0:33:12
- Disaster for the Wolves: Julius Randle has decided this is his team now* - Sammich April 27, 2026, 21:59:24
- This Det/Orl game has some truly breathtaking shot-missing. - Sammich April 27, 2026, 21:37:09
- That was one of the best in game dunks I’ve ever seen by the Cain dude from ORL. Holy shit* - John Coctostan April 27, 2026, 21:22:19
- Ant Edwards out multiple weeks, per ESPN - biclops April 26, 2026, 10:12:30
- Lost in the shuffle…on the post game did Chuck admit to offering bounties - OWWDig April 25, 2026, 23:18:12
- Second most points ever by a bench player in the playoffs. - gvibes April 25, 2026, 22:27:11
- “Unspoken rules” audible eye roll * - biclops April 25, 2026, 22:23:31
- why is this game still going* - gvibes April 25, 2026, 22:21:30
- 41 points. So cool.* - Carl Spackler April 25, 2026, 22:17:24
- 43!* - ECEIllinois April 25, 2026, 22:20:50
- Damn near a Wagler at Mackey stat line* - OB25 April 25, 2026, 22:12:50
- Wow* - ECEIllinois April 25, 2026, 22:11:49
- Ayosanity?* - ECEIllinois April 25, 2026, 22:09:08
- Wow* - AintHatin April 25, 2026, 22:08:39
- I can’t believe Ayo looks like a plus athlete against NBA players - OB25 April 25, 2026, 21:56:24
- I hate watching Julius Randle play.* - Carl Spackler April 25, 2026, 21:32:50
- 0% of me is mad the Bulls traded Ayo, 100% of me is glad he got to play in meaningful games. - OB25 April 25, 2026, 21:19:08
- Ayo cooking again.* - Toonces April 25, 2026, 20:27:43
- I think I turned on my first NBA game of the year. Looks like a twolf tore an achiles* - gvibes April 25, 2026, 19:51:33
- OKC is so hard to watch - Sammich April 25, 2026, 17:23:27
- Rockets are giving this away-up 6 with the ball and 30 seconds left and now down in OT* - illini222 April 24, 2026, 21:47:36
- Ayo is adding to his next contract every game* - illini222 April 23, 2026, 22:32:33
- Wemby should miss at least 7 days with this concussion, Spurs could be f’ed if they lose this game* - OB25 April 21, 2026, 20:58:25
- Stephon Castle’s hair makes him 4-5 inches taller easily. A true advantage.* - Toonces April 21, 2026, 20:58:12
- Billy Donovan out - DanSaint April 21, 2026, 9:31:22
- The announcers on the Nuggets Wolves game now are the worst announcers in history.* - gullit April 20, 2026, 22:16:16
- That’s such soft shit by Bridges. Drive the ball, man.* - voiceofreason April 20, 2026, 21:48:06
- Side: Seems Bulls have their targets for the head of basketball ops - DanSaint April 20, 2026, 10:59:34
- This crowd striping in San Antonio is incredible * - assassin April 19, 2026, 20:34:41
- Why is there a ventriloquist dummy in the first row at the Lakers games?* - Toonces April 18, 2026, 22:14:11
- Houston sucks without KD. * - MC April 18, 2026, 21:53:41
- I hope Terrence Shannon finds his way to a new team - OrangeSox April 18, 2026, 16:27:40
- Jamal Murray is cooking.* - Toonces April 18, 2026, 16:25:57
- NBA is speeding up its demise with all these Prime Video games. Lakers game is first non-Prime one.* - gullit April 18, 2026, 14:47:00
- Play-in games lock in the 15th pick from the Blazers. Great outcome for the Bulls* - Carl Spackler April 18, 2026, 6:24:54
- Can we end the Heat Culture bullshit? - bjl63 April 14, 2026, 22:58:24
- Reminder that Blazers win gives the Bulls the Blazers first rounder.* - Carl Spackler April 14, 2026, 22:28:00
- Looks like Fears Jr would be a perfect Hornet - illini222 April 14, 2026, 22:25:28
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