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Bears having a presser Wednesday to announce plans for new publicly owned stadium on Lakefront

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“Bears stadium proposal a 'non-starter,' Team Pritzker says after briefing”

Posted by VIV <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=VIV' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 1, 2024, 17:42:57, in reply to "Bears having a presser Wednesday to announce plans for new publicly owned stadium on Lakefront"

The real new Bears stadium was the friends we made along the way.

https://x.com/crainschicago/status/1785776249589117337?s=46&t=XN05Y_2R7p9-W2usMd8FIg

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"the sum value of my outfit will always be higher than yours."

It was barely a 1/8 baked idea. Is there anything less popular nowadays than billionaires

Posted by Warrin'_Illini $<iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Warrin\'_Illini' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'>$ on May 1, 2024, 17:53:26, in reply to "“Bears stadium proposal a 'non-starter,' Team Pritzker says after briefing”"

asking for handouts from the taxpayers?

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The real new Bears stadium was the friends we made along the way.

https://x.com/crainschicago/status/1785776249589117337?s=46&t=XN05Y_2R7p9-W2usMd8FIg

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Let me cook.

college kids protesting*

Posted by torinese <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=torinese' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 1, 2024, 17:59:27, in reply to "It was barely a 1/8 baked idea. Is there anything less popular nowadays than billionaires "

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asking for handouts from the taxpayers?

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The real new Bears stadium was the friends we made along the way.

https://x.com/crainschicago/status/1785776249589117337?s=46&t=XN05Y_2R7p9-W2usMd8FIg

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This country is full of busy body losers so that checks out.*

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asking for handouts from the taxpayers?

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The real new Bears stadium was the friends we made along the way.

https://x.com/crainschicago/status/1785776249589117337?s=46&t=XN05Y_2R7p9-W2usMd8FIg

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Let me cook.

Thank goodness there is one adult in the room

Posted by OrangeSox <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=OrangeSox' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 1, 2024, 17:52:47, in reply to "“Bears stadium proposal a 'non-starter,' Team Pritzker says after briefing”"

Some of the new projections were putting the cost estimates at $7B, which would mean the public is putting in twice as much as the Bears, and the Bears still want the residual revenue. Complete joke.

They should study the feasibility of adding a roof/enclosure to the existing building.*

Posted by Warrin'_Illini $<iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Warrin\'_Illini' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'>$ on May 1, 2024, 17:58:06, in reply to "Thank goodness there is one adult in the room"

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Some of the new projections were putting the cost estimates at $7B, which would mean the public is putting in twice as much as the Bears, and the Bears still want the residual revenue. Complete joke.

Let me cook.

Johnsons interview with Holmes was really bad

Posted by Mrap24 <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Mrap24' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 25, 2024, 13:45:56, in reply to "Bears having a presser Wednesday to announce plans for new publicly owned stadium on Lakefront"

Just the same nonsense over and over again. I think they are greatly overestimating the use the park would get for prep level events

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remember this question?

Posted by VIV <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=VIV' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 25, 2024, 12:55:54, in reply to "Bears having a presser Wednesday to announce plans for new publicly owned stadium on Lakefront"

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yeah, it's definitely the latter.

"the sum value of my outfit will always be higher than yours."

I definitely don't think they think that

Posted by CanHartlebHireSnider <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=CanHartlebHireSnider' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 25, 2024, 12:58:14, in reply to "remember this question?"

If they thought they were trying to bury it they wouldn't even go through with it.

They think yesterday was a big win and so will tonight.

but it's not going to get built

Posted by VIV <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=VIV' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 25, 2024, 13:10:17, in reply to "I definitely don't think they think that"

and by not even inviting pritzker, not reaching agreement with FotP, not checking to make sure welch was on board- warren had to know that.

and they went forward with it- the day before arguably the most important draft in bears history. warren had to know there would be cold water thrown on it today, but by tomorrow that would all be forgotten.

so why do it? why leave so many unanswered questions? why do the press tour and essentially say nothing new and when ask pointed questions give a "we'll have to get back to you?"

is this still trying to leverage AH?

"the sum value of my outfit will always be higher than yours."

They did it because this is their goal. The next general assembly session begins in January

This is going to be their work for the next 13 months. They're going to lobby hard in Springfield with the city to get this thing built.

They think they unveiled a great plan and they are going to work hard to get it built.

I doubt we hear about AH again until mid to late 2025 at the earliest if this doesn't work out.

There's nothing that compelled them to make any sort of announcement. They did it because this is what they want and are trying to do and they think yesterday was a big win.

if they genuinely think yesterday was a big win, we're in worse shape than i thought.*

Posted by VIV <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=VIV' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 25, 2024, 13:15:44, in reply to "They did it because this is their goal. The next general assembly session begins in January"

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"the sum value of my outfit will always be higher than yours."

and just wait until the story comes out that they didn't realize welch was not on their side*

Posted by VIV <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=VIV' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 25, 2024, 13:18:34, in reply to "if they genuinely think yesterday was a big win, we're in worse shape than i thought.*"

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"the sum value of my outfit will always be higher than yours."

He isn't on board so now they have to donate a bunch of money to his campaign committee to get him

Posted by Chuck Woodaby <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Chuck+Woodaby' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 25, 2024, 13:25:13, in reply to "and just wait until the story comes out that they didn't realize welch was not on their side*"

on board.

Weird how that works out.

you usually take the emergency brake off before you hit the gas. *

Posted by VIV <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=VIV' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 25, 2024, 13:28:13, in reply to "He isn't on board so now they have to donate a bunch of money to his campaign committee to get him "

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on board.

Weird how that works out.

"the sum value of my outfit will always be higher than yours."

I'm pretty sure they know where all the players stand.

That's why they put together a bunch of well known lobbyists to work down in Springfield.

This is the start of the process not the end.

i highly, highly, highly doubt that.

Posted by VIV <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=VIV' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 25, 2024, 13:25:09, in reply to "I'm pretty sure they know where all the players stand."

why the everloving fck would you wait until after the presser to lobby people?

you don't even invite the governor, let alone get him on board to help you lobby?

you know Friends of the Park have torpedoed projects in the past- you don't get them on your side first?

you think springfield is going to be receptive and the speaker comes out and says "there's no appetite for it?"

there was no forced timeline here. they chose to put this out there without the support needed to make it happen. this isn't a real proposal.

i'm sure we'll get the full story at some point.

"the sum value of my outfit will always be higher than yours."

I mean they literally hired a team of Springfield lobbyists in the last week or two

This is all about the next legislative session that begins in January. The general assembly session for 2024 is over.

Of course there was no forced timeline here. That's why there's nothing for them to bury. They announced because they legitimately believe in the project.

They got the mayor of Chicago on board. They got a bunch of local state legislators on board.

They have a team full of lobbyists newly in place. They are working over the next year to lock down this project in Springfield.

This is clearly what they are working towards.

Disagree with their strategy but this is their strategy and this is their primary focus.

and yet

Posted by VIV <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=VIV' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 25, 2024, 13:39:35, in reply to "I mean they literally hired a team of Springfield lobbyists in the last week or two"

“If we were to put this issue on the board for a vote right now, it would fail and it would fail miserably,” Welch said. “There’s no environment for something like this today.”

"the sum value of my outfit will always be higher than yours."

Yeah today. This isn't about today.

We'll see what Chris Welch says in 2025 because that's when the issue will come up

"LEGISLATORS NOT READY TO ROLL OVER FOR STADIUM PLAN"

Posted by Chuck Woodaby <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Chuck+Woodaby' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 25, 2024, 13:46:28, in reply to "Yeah today. This isn't about today."

From 2000:

https://www.chicagotribune.com/2000/11/17/legislators-not-ready-to-roll-over-for-stadium-plan/

In a shock to nobody, they all rolled over.

double post

Posted by VIV <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=VIV' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 25, 2024, 13:55:57, in reply to ""LEGISLATORS NOT READY TO ROLL OVER FOR STADIUM PLAN""

"the sum value of my outfit will always be higher than yours."

you really want to go back to the renovation as an example of how this is going to go?

the plan that initially started with a dome downtown
then went to a site in elk grove village
then went to a site in aurora
then went to a site in gary
then came back around to a redesign of the existing stadium that nobody liked, went way overbudget, and still isn't paid off?

that's not inspiring a lot of confidence.

"the sum value of my outfit will always be higher than yours."

So we've moved on from acting like politicians not being on board is some kind of obstacle. Got it.*

Posted by Chuck Woodaby <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Chuck+Woodaby' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 25, 2024, 14:01:00, in reply to "you really want to go back to the renovation as an example of how this is going to go?"

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unless the mccaskeys are funding it fully, it is an obstacle.

Posted by VIV <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=VIV' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 25, 2024, 14:07:15, in reply to "So we've moved on from acting like politicians not being on board is some kind of obstacle. Got it.*"

we can discuss the difficulties in removing the obstacle- the previous renovation having to jump to multiple different municipalities and even trying out of state would suggest that it's not as easy as a snap of the fingers, but I digress.

the point is, why wouldn't you have the obstacles cleared before you present your proposal?

"the sum value of my outfit will always be higher than yours."

There's also a chance that these political players are just "saving" face to make it look

Posted by longsnapper <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=longsnapper' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 25, 2024, 13:27:11, in reply to "i highly, highly, highly doubt that. "

Like they're fighting for the tax payer, only to come around later.

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Lots of puns, no real answers

This is my guess. We see all the time with major stadium funding

Sometime they hold out but often they talk a big game and then fold.

I have a feeling Springfield is going to do the same.

correct. they hope it gets talked about on all of the broadcasts as well.*

Posted by Ari Gold <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Ari+Gold' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 25, 2024, 12:59:16, in reply to "I definitely don't think they think that"

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If they thought they were trying to bury it they wouldn't even go through with it.

They think yesterday was a big win and so will tonight.

they'll likely show some of the pretty renderings on the draft,

Posted by VIV <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=VIV' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 25, 2024, 13:11:39, in reply to "correct. they hope it gets talked about on all of the broadcasts as well.*"

but that doesn't move it any closer to reality.

"the sum value of my outfit will always be higher than yours."

I'm just shocked that capacity isn't 80K

Posted by RSMBob <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=RSMBob' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 25, 2024, 12:42:41, in reply to "Bears having a presser Wednesday to announce plans for new publicly owned stadium on Lakefront"

Why should the 3rd largest city, with only a single team in the market, have one of the if not the smallest capacity NFL stadiums in the country, especially with a new stadium build after the mistake by the lake they built last time.

And I'll be honest, I will miss outdoor football in Chicago. I get the reasons for it, but there's just something about football in the elements that is missing in a dome.

At least 70k to be superbowl eligible (if that is a real requirement)*

Posted by gvibes <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=gvibes' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 25, 2024, 13:46:09, in reply to "I'm just shocked that capacity isn't 80K"

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i dont think it is. 3 of the last 4 non COVID super bowls haven't had 70k

Posted by VIV <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=VIV' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 25, 2024, 13:58:59, in reply to "At least 70k to be superbowl eligible (if that is a real requirement)*"

and the one that did was 70,048.

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"the sum value of my outfit will always be higher than yours."

meh. it's already pretty tight there. and as a sth, i'm all for not having to deal

Posted by Ari Gold <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Ari+Gold' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 25, 2024, 12:47:11, in reply to "I'm just shocked that capacity isn't 80K"

with shitty weather as well.

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Baseball in a dome I hate.

Posted by KingTalkyTiki <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=KingTalkyTiki' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 25, 2024, 12:46:30, in reply to "I'm just shocked that capacity isn't 80K"

I've grown to prefer my pro-football in a dome, even in climates better than Chicago's.

I get enough baking/freezing my ass off while watching football games at Memorial Stadium, thank you.

This isn't encouraging:

Posted by VIV <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=VIV' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 25, 2024, 12:17:55, in reply to "Bears having a presser Wednesday to announce plans for new publicly owned stadium on Lakefront"

“If we were to put this issue on the board for a vote right now, it would fail and it would fail miserably,” Welch said. “There’s no environment for something like this today.”

https://www.thecentersquare.com/illinois/article_ff0c7b86-0281-11ef-8c84-47f5e7c1bedb.html

"the sum value of my outfit will always be higher than yours."

I think it’s encouraging. As current proposed we shouldn’t want this to happen.

Posted by Toonces <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Toonces' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 25, 2024, 12:39:01, in reply to "This isn't encouraging:"

Billionaires should pay for their own stadiums. As long as they’re called the Chicago Bears, I don’t care if they play on the moon. I still think the complex out in AH makes the most sense.

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stadiums, yes. infrastructure, no. and, in this case, the public would own it.*

Posted by Ari Gold <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Ari+Gold' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 25, 2024, 12:43:58, in reply to "I think it’s encouraging. As current proposed we shouldn’t want this to happen. "

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Billionaires should pay for their own stadiums. As long as they’re called the Chicago Bears, I don’t care if they play on the moon. I still think the complex out in AH makes the most sense.

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but the Bears would still get a big chunk of revenue generated from non-Bears events

Posted by IlliniSax05 <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=IlliniSax05' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 25, 2024, 12:48:35, in reply to "stadiums, yes. infrastructure, no. and, in this case, the public would own it.*"

Why do you hate me, Sammich?

MAJOR UPDATE: "Maybe you're not such a bad egg, Lisle-y"
-Sammich, 1/15/2011

You're assuming that no tax payer money will be used for the Arlington heights project?*

Posted by longsnapper <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=longsnapper' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 25, 2024, 12:40:51, in reply to "I think it’s encouraging. As current proposed we shouldn’t want this to happen. "

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Billionaires should pay for their own stadiums. As long as they’re called the Chicago Bears, I don’t care if they play on the moon. I still think the complex out in AH makes the most sense.

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Lots of puns, no real answers

No, but there will be fewer roadblocks and the site makes more sense logistically.

Posted by Toonces <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Toonces' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 25, 2024, 12:43:57, in reply to "You're assuming that no tax payer money will be used for the Arlington heights project?*"

Better transit options and more space to add additional revenue generators vs the lakefront.

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Billionaires should pay for their own stadiums. As long as they’re called the Chicago Bears, I don’t care if they play on the moon. I still think the complex out in AH makes the most sense.

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Definitely not better transit options... But I thought you were saying it was good because public

Posted by longsnapper <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=longsnapper' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 25, 2024, 12:52:22, in reply to "No, but there will be fewer roadblocks and the site makes more sense logistically."

Shouldn't pay for it.

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Better transit options and more space to add additional revenue generators vs the lakefront.

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Billionaires should pay for their own stadiums. As long as they’re called the Chicago Bears, I don’t care if they play on the moon. I still think the complex out in AH makes the most sense.

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Lots of puns, no real answers

That’s part of it, but from what I’ve seen of the presentation yesterday it was typically half assed

Posted by Toonces <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Toonces' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 25, 2024, 12:57:28, in reply to "Definitely not better transit options... But I thought you were saying it was good because public"

Barely upgrading capacity at all, in addition. What problems are they solving besides now having a roof and supposedly better playing surface?

The AH site seems like an opportunity to do it right. You could build Bearsworld out there.

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Shouldn't pay for it.

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Better transit options and more space to add additional revenue generators vs the lakefront.

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Billionaires should pay for their own stadiums. As long as they’re called the Chicago Bears, I don’t care if they play on the moon. I still think the complex out in AH makes the most sense.

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Do it right for who, though? That's my entire argument. Capacity, bears world

Posted by longsnapper <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=longsnapper' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 25, 2024, 13:08:23, in reply to "That’s part of it, but from what I’ve seen of the presentation yesterday it was typically half assed"

Doesn't matter at all. I don't care if the McCaskeys get richer. I only care about the product on the field. If tax payer money is going to toward the project regardless of location, then I'd rather have them in the city.

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Shouldn't pay for it.

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Better transit options and more space to add additional revenue generators vs the lakefront.

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Billionaires should pay for their own stadiums. As long as they’re called the Chicago Bears, I don’t care if they play on the moon. I still think the complex out in AH makes the most sense.

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Lots of puns, no real answers

I don’t care about the McCaskeys either but their future economic interests are tied to this stadium

Posted by Toonces <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Toonces' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 25, 2024, 13:50:01, in reply to "Do it right for who, though? That's my entire argument. Capacity, bears world"

and the success of the franchise. It’s a reality that you need parking options if you want events like the Super Bowl or final four, which will help alleviate the taxes levied on those who are paying for it. As will a larger capacity.

This isn’t enough of a solution. Just keep the current stadium or build for the future on a site that can adapt to it. The Bears will never have priority on the lakefront and they probably shouldn’t. They can elsewhere.

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Shouldn't pay for it.

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Better transit options and more space to add additional revenue generators vs the lakefront.

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Billionaires should pay for their own stadiums. As long as they’re called the Chicago Bears, I don’t care if they play on the moon. I still think the complex out in AH makes the most sense.

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I really don't understand why people care about "upgrading capacity"

The current Soldier Field is a great place to actually watch a game and big part of that is it's sightlines and intimate feel.

There are a lot of flaws with Soldier but the actual game experience of watching football (or other events) is pretty elite compared to other NFL stadiums.

Many NFL stadiums are large and cavernous and just jam filled with people.

Similarly I don't understand why people care about more revenue going into the McCaskey's pockets.

Just give me a great place to watch and experience football.

Would people come if not for a game or event? I see people talk about additional revenue streams...

Posted by haighter <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=haighter' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 25, 2024, 13:03:17, in reply to "That’s part of it, but from what I’ve seen of the presentation yesterday it was typically half assed"

...and "bears world"...who's going to Arlington Heights that wasn't already headed there for a game or an event? No one is going there on an off day are they?

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Shouldn't pay for it.

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Better transit options and more space to add additional revenue generators vs the lakefront.

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Billionaires should pay for their own stadiums. As long as they’re called the Chicago Bears, I don’t care if they play on the moon. I still think the complex out in AH makes the most sense.

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Maybe, but the lakefront has more physical constraints that nobody is going to unless

Posted by Toonces <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Toonces' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 25, 2024, 13:08:34, in reply to "Would people come if not for a game or event? I see people talk about additional revenue streams..."

specifically for an event. You can’t build additional attractions even if you want to.

Lakefront limits future options.

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...and "bears world"...who's going to Arlington Heights that wasn't already headed there for a game or an event? No one is going there on an off day are they?

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Shouldn't pay for it.

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Better transit options and more space to add additional revenue generators vs the lakefront.

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Billionaires should pay for their own stadiums. As long as they’re called the Chicago Bears, I don’t care if they play on the moon. I still think the complex out in AH makes the most sense.

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Yeah, people aren't going to to Arlington heights bear town unless for a game*

Posted by longsnapper <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=longsnapper' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 25, 2024, 13:10:22, in reply to "Maybe, but the lakefront has more physical constraints that nobody is going to unless "

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specifically for an event. You can’t build additional attractions even if you want to.

Lakefront limits future options.

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...and "bears world"...who's going to Arlington Heights that wasn't already headed there for a game or an event? No one is going there on an off day are they?

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Shouldn't pay for it.

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Better transit options and more space to add additional revenue generators vs the lakefront.

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Billionaires should pay for their own stadiums. As long as they’re called the Chicago Bears, I don’t care if they play on the moon. I still think the complex out in AH makes the most sense.

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Lots of puns, no real answers

Then just keep the existing stadium. It’s completely fine.*

Posted by Toonces <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Toonces' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 25, 2024, 13:13:09, in reply to "Yeah, people aren't going to to Arlington heights bear town unless for a game*"

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specifically for an event. You can’t build additional attractions even if you want to.

Lakefront limits future options.

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...and "bears world"...who's going to Arlington Heights that wasn't already headed there for a game or an event? No one is going there on an off day are they?

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Shouldn't pay for it.

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Better transit options and more space to add additional revenue generators vs the lakefront.

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Billionaires should pay for their own stadiums. As long as they’re called the Chicago Bears, I don’t care if they play on the moon. I still think the complex out in AH makes the most sense.

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PUSSY IN BIO

This i agree with*

Posted by longsnapper <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=longsnapper' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 25, 2024, 13:13:45, in reply to "Then just keep the existing stadium. It’s completely fine.*"

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specifically for an event. You can’t build additional attractions even if you want to.

Lakefront limits future options.

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...and "bears world"...who's going to Arlington Heights that wasn't already headed there for a game or an event? No one is going there on an off day are they?

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Shouldn't pay for it.

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Better transit options and more space to add additional revenue generators vs the lakefront.

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Billionaires should pay for their own stadiums. As long as they’re called the Chicago Bears, I don’t care if they play on the moon. I still think the complex out in AH makes the most sense.

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Lots of puns, no real answers

The lakefront the Bears unveiled yesterday to me would seem to have way more offseason use

Than whatever shopping mall they add onto a stadium in Arlington Heights.

Totally agreed. *

Posted by haighter <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=haighter' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 25, 2024, 13:07:45, in reply to "The lakefront the Bears unveiled yesterday to me would seem to have way more offseason use"

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Than whatever shopping mall they add onto a stadium in Arlington.

There would similar roadblocks. When they were focused on AH they wanted state money from the GA

That project will probably also cost significantly more money

not to mention all of the existing debt. bernstein claims the real cost on this could be

closer to $7b.

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bernstein has also gone completely off the deep end about warren*

Posted by VIV <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=VIV' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 25, 2024, 12:29:25, in reply to "not to mention all of the existing debt. bernstein claims the real cost on this could be"

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closer to $7b.

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"the sum value of my outfit will always be higher than yours."

true, but i think he's closer to being right here.*

Posted by Ari Gold <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Ari+Gold' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 25, 2024, 12:33:24, in reply to "bernstein has also gone completely off the deep end about warren*"

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closer to $7b.

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Anyone else find it weird to announce plans without locking up support for those plans?*

Posted by SurfTheBoneyard <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=SurfTheBoneyard' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 25, 2024, 10:36:41, in reply to "Bears having a presser Wednesday to announce plans for new publicly owned stadium on Lakefront"

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Sky Marshal of the Luftwaffle

the more i learn, the more astounded i am at how dumb they've been.

Posted by VIV <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=VIV' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 25, 2024, 12:24:33, in reply to "Anyone else find it weird to announce plans without locking up support for those plans?*"

they didn't get the governor on board.
they didn't get the state legislature on board.
they didn't get friends of the park on board.

and they still went forward with the press conference.

i wouldn't say the deal is dead on arrival, but it has to be considered on life support.

i thought warren was supposed to be the pragmatist?

what the actual fuck are they doing?

"the sum value of my outfit will always be higher than yours."

I'm going to run with my usual statement about the McCaskey's

Posted by ijustkrushalot <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=ijustkrushalot' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 25, 2024, 12:40:40, in reply to "the more i learn, the more astounded i am at how dumb they've been."

they are the Bluth family

I think their goal was to get the city on board

I think getting a full throated endorsement from the city weighs heavily.

They have some state legislature endorsement already as well.

I viewed this as an opening bid. They hired a bunch of well known lobbyists to work down in Springfield.

My assumption is the math will get tweaked a bit by the legislature but that they will lobby hard during the next legislative session and that with the city already on board will put a lot of pressure on state legislature.

I think the bigger unknowns are the governor and the FOP but I think they will push this hard in Springfield and this is definitely their primary focus.

Well, now they can at least say they tried to keep it in Chicago

Posted by Dilbert <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Dilbert' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 25, 2024, 12:31:14, in reply to "the more i learn, the more astounded i am at how dumb they've been."

And maybe AH reconsiders their tax package?

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this is from an org that allowed their former team president, who they already knew was retiring

Posted by IlliniSax05 <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=IlliniSax05' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 25, 2024, 10:39:10, in reply to "Anyone else find it weird to announce plans without locking up support for those plans?*"

to spend $200M on a huge plot of land and spend however the fuck more to demolish the existing structures on that land, all in preparation to build a stadium

only to then allow their new president to say "nah, I don't like that. we're gonna do this other thing"

nothing they do seems weird because everything they do seems weird.

Why do you hate me, Sammich?

MAJOR UPDATE: "Maybe you're not such a bad egg, Lisle-y"
-Sammich, 1/15/2011

No. it's the Bears and Mayor Photo Op

Posted by Poldark <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Poldark' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 25, 2024, 10:38:26, in reply to "Anyone else find it weird to announce plans without locking up support for those plans?*"

a great combination of stupidity and incompetence

Social Misfit who wants to coach Illinois women's basketball.

"That’s cool. Don’t really care what you think."

Also the tag line for the DEMC*

Posted by opey8 <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=opey8' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 25, 2024, 10:41:08, in reply to "No. it's the Bears and Mayor Photo Op"

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a great combination of stupidity and incompetence

Everything the Bears do is weird.*

Posted by illini21 <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=illini21' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 25, 2024, 10:38:18, in reply to "Anyone else find it weird to announce plans without locking up support for those plans?*"

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Apparently a stadium needs 35000 parking spaces to be eligible to host a Super Bowl*

Posted by Mrap24 <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Mrap24' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 25, 2024, 9:53:43, in reply to "Bears having a presser Wednesday to announce plans for new publicly owned stadium on Lakefront"

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Yes because this is America*

Posted by timmer <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=timmer' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 25, 2024, 10:53:40, in reply to "Apparently a stadium needs 35000 parking spaces to be eligible to host a Super Bowl*"

(for rent)

Also, I know why the city would care, but as a Chicago area resident/fan I couldn’t care less…

Posted by OB25 <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=OB25' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 25, 2024, 9:58:10, in reply to "Apparently a stadium needs 35000 parking spaces to be eligible to host a Super Bowl*"

about hosting a Super Bowl.

Give me Final Fours, Big Ten Championship games, year-round big concerts, Wrestlemanias, etc. The Super Bowl is just a big corporate event.

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When something is happening, young people like to say it’s “lit.”

I also couldn't care less about stadium capacity

Outside of hosting major events I really couldn't care less about the McCaskey's trying to gouge more fans.

Within a mile of the stadium*

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How many does Soldier Field have now?*

Posted by IlliniOllie <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=IlliniOllie' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 25, 2024, 9:57:34, in reply to "Apparently a stadium needs 35000 parking spaces to be eligible to host a Super Bowl*"

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Posted by VIV <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=VIV' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 25, 2024, 12:14:45, in reply to "How many does Soldier Field have now?*"

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"the sum value of my outfit will always be higher than yours."

That would be strange since I would assume hardly anyone is driving a car to the Super Bowl

Posted by OB25 <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=OB25' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 25, 2024, 9:55:23, in reply to "Apparently a stadium needs 35000 parking spaces to be eligible to host a Super Bowl*"

Has to be like 75%+ out-of-towners, right?

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When something is happening, young people like to say it’s “lit.”

Yikes*

Posted by illini21 <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=illini21' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 25, 2024, 9:54:51, in reply to "Apparently a stadium needs 35000 parking spaces to be eligible to host a Super Bowl*"

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Gross*

Posted by snipes824 <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=snipes824' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 25, 2024, 9:54:26, in reply to "Apparently a stadium needs 35000 parking spaces to be eligible to host a Super Bowl*"

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mark ganis on the score was astounded at how ill prepared the city was for the press conference.*

Posted by Ari Gold <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Ari+Gold' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 25, 2024, 9:26:10, in reply to "Bears having a presser Wednesday to announce plans for new publicly owned stadium on Lakefront"

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I actually love this plan and think it's long overdue

Posted by Sounder <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Sounder' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 25, 2024, 9:33:58, in reply to "mark ganis on the score was astounded at how ill prepared the city was for the press conference.*"

and world class city like Chicago deserves a world class stadium, but how the F are they going to come up with $5 billion dollars?

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i mean, no one even briefed the gov before throwing this out there*

Posted by lcubed <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=lcubed' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 25, 2024, 9:28:15, in reply to "mark ganis on the score was astounded at how ill prepared the city was for the press conference.*"

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but at least he didn’t show up for it.*

Posted by Ari Gold <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Ari+Gold' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 25, 2024, 9:29:14, in reply to "i mean, no one even briefed the gov before throwing this out there*"

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Laurence Holmes interviewing Brandon Johnson. Will air after White Sox post on NBC Sports Chicago

Posted by DanSaint <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=DanSaint' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 24, 2024, 18:20:03, in reply to "Bears having a presser Wednesday to announce plans for new publicly owned stadium on Lakefront"

from LoHo's reactions on the show this afternoon, this could be a very interesting interview. To say he was livid would be an understatement.

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Recap?*

Posted by HamptonSki <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=HamptonSki' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 25, 2024, 9:26:33, in reply to "Laurence Holmes interviewing Brandon Johnson. Will air after White Sox post on NBC Sports Chicago"

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from LoHo's reactions on the show this afternoon, this could be a very interesting interview. To say he was livid would be an understatement.

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holmes claims the governor wasn't invited, warren said he was, johnson didn't really address it.*

Posted by Ari Gold <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Ari+Gold' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 25, 2024, 9:36:52, in reply to "Recap?*"

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from LoHo's reactions on the show this afternoon, this could be a very interesting interview. To say he was livid would be an understatement.

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https://x.com/kpowell720/status/1782505198889455723?s=46&t=1RNaEoTzszuK8ZGMTKgLhA

johnson spent most of his time on the $2b private investment, jobs, more green space,

Posted by Ari Gold <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Ari+Gold' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 25, 2024, 9:47:10, in reply to "holmes claims the governor wasn't invited, warren said he was, johnson didn't really address it.*"

and dei opportuntites. holmes didn't really lay a glove on him.

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from LoHo's reactions on the show this afternoon, this could be a very interesting interview. To say he was livid would be an understatement.

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Did Holmes address having the prayer to start off the press conference?

Posted by IlliniOllie <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=IlliniOllie' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 25, 2024, 9:43:39, in reply to "holmes claims the governor wasn't invited, warren said he was, johnson didn't really address it.*"

He was pretty heated about it on the Score yesterday afternoon.

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from LoHo's reactions on the show this afternoon, this could be a very interesting interview. To say he was livid would be an understatement.

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No. Also I doubt Johnson would have been involved in that decision

It wasn't Johnson's press conference.

He just asked Johnson why he and the city is full throated in backing this plan.

Warren was just on ESPN 1000

Posted by Mrap24 <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Mrap24' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 24, 2024, 17:26:39, in reply to "Bears having a presser Wednesday to announce plans for new publicly owned stadium on Lakefront"

He said capacity for the new stadium will be around 60,000, with the ability to get up to 65,000 with standing room only and for big events like a Super Bowl they can max out at about 70,000

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It's ridiculous that they wouldn't make it seat more. US Bank and Ford Field are both 65K+

expandable to over 70,000+ for big events, Why wouldn't you at least match what similar stadiums in the NFC North have - especially in a much bigger city, for a team who you know will sell out however many seats you have?

The whole lakefront stadium plan is just so Bears.

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He said capacity for the new stadium will be around 60,000, with the ability to get up to 65,000 with standing room only and for big events like a Super Bowl they can max out at about 70,000

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How do you not find a way to make it bigger than that? Why are we doing this again?*

Posted by OB25 <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=OB25' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 24, 2024, 17:47:24, in reply to "Warren was just on ESPN 1000"

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He said capacity for the new stadium will be around 60,000, with the ability to get up to 65,000 with standing room only and for big events like a Super Bowl they can max out at about 70,000

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When something is happening, young people like to say it’s “lit.”

So significantly smaller than SoFi. Can we possibly pray to make it fit more?*

Posted by OrangeSox <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=OrangeSox' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 24, 2024, 17:41:21, in reply to "Warren was just on ESPN 1000"

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He said capacity for the new stadium will be around 60,000, with the ability to get up to 65,000 with standing room only and for big events like a Super Bowl they can max out at about 70,000

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I thought he said capacity would be in the 60s, about even with where they are now

Posted by IlliniSax05 <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=IlliniSax05' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 24, 2024, 17:33:47, in reply to "Warren was just on ESPN 1000"

With an additional 5000 SRO to get up to 70,000

Why do you hate me, Sammich?

MAJOR UPDATE: "Maybe you're not such a bad egg, Lisle-y"
-Sammich, 1/15/2011

His exact quote: “60 base, similar to soldier field now, 5000 SROs…”

Posted by VIV <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=VIV' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 24, 2024, 18:09:47, in reply to "I thought he said capacity would be in the 60s, about even with where they are now"

“…and we can go up to 70,000 for big events.”

https://www.youtube.com/live/Yh9VidaAEWk?si=lK1ZkGw-O7g3liB3

About 10:20:45 on that.

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With an additional 5000 SRO to get up to 70,000

"the sum value of my outfit will always be higher than yours."

Yeah that’s too low. 65k should be the base minimum, if not higher

Posted by IlliniSax05 <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=IlliniSax05' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 24, 2024, 18:14:34, in reply to "His exact quote: “60 base, similar to soldier field now, 5000 SROs…”"

Why they’d intentionally aim to stay at the bottom of the seating capacity list is beyond me

Why do you hate me, Sammich?

MAJOR UPDATE: "Maybe you're not such a bad egg, Lisle-y"
-Sammich, 1/15/2011

I think they like the intimate feel of Soldier as opposed to other NFL stadiums

Posted by CanHartlebHireSnider <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=CanHartlebHireSnider' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 24, 2024, 18:24:03, in reply to "Yeah that’s too low. 65k should be the base minimum, if not higher "

Save probably Lambeau

The sight lines at Soldier Field are pretty great. There really isn’t a bad seat.

Plus the space they’re attempting to build on isn’t very big.

I’m guessing they’re trying to keep it as small as possible but big enough to lure major events.

It is a great place to watch a game. Another reason capacity won't be increasing is because of all..

Posted by gullit <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=gullit' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 24, 2024, 19:35:58, in reply to "I think they like the intimate feel of Soldier as opposed to other NFL stadiums"

the suites they are trying to jam in. The current stadium is great because all the suites are on the top level.

They have the smallest stadium in the league. They’re spending billions to make whatever they choose

Posted by VIV <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=VIV' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 24, 2024, 18:16:42, in reply to "Yeah that’s too low. 65k should be the base minimum, if not higher "

And they’re choosing to keep it the smallest or 2nd smallest stadium in the league.

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Why they’d intentionally aim to stay at the bottom of the seating capacity list is beyond me

"the sum value of my outfit will always be higher than yours."

The athletic article said capacity would be 65,000 with up to 70,000 SRO for big events*

Posted by CanHartlebHireSnider <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=CanHartlebHireSnider' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 24, 2024, 17:35:03, in reply to "I thought he said capacity would be in the 60s, about even with where they are now"

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With an additional 5000 SRO to get up to 70,000

does that get you a world cup?*

Posted by torinese <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=torinese' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 24, 2024, 17:42:42, in reply to "The athletic article said capacity would be 65,000 with up to 70,000 SRO for big events*"

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With an additional 5000 SRO to get up to 70,000

Everything but opening ceremony or final*

Posted by CanHartlebHireSnider <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=CanHartlebHireSnider' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 24, 2024, 17:44:06, in reply to "does that get you a world cup?*"

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With an additional 5000 SRO to get up to 70,000

However the current plan would be for it to have an artificial field

Why do you hate me, Sammich?

MAJOR UPDATE: "Maybe you're not such a bad egg, Lisle-y"
-Sammich, 1/15/2011

FUCKING HELL*

Posted by VIV <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=VIV' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 24, 2024, 17:28:18, in reply to "Warren was just on ESPN 1000"

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He said capacity for the new stadium will be around 60,000, with the ability to get up to 65,000 with standing room only and for big events like a Super Bowl they can max out at about 70,000

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"the sum value of my outfit will always be higher than yours."

900 mil in public money*

Posted by Mrap24 <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Mrap24' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 24, 2024, 13:41:32, in reply to "Bears having a presser Wednesday to announce plans for new publicly owned stadium on Lakefront"

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For the stadium. More for the entire project*

Posted by CanHartlebHireSnider <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=CanHartlebHireSnider' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 24, 2024, 13:43:27, in reply to "900 mil in public money*"

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https://x.com/kpowell720/status/1782505198889455723?s=46&t=1RNaEoTzszuK8ZGMTKgLhA

i would think for 4.6 billy, you'd get increased transport to the museum campus

Posted by VIV <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=VIV' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 24, 2024, 13:52:08, in reply to "For the stadium. More for the entire project*"

along with some sort of entertainment district.

nope.

softball fields.

"the sum value of my outfit will always be higher than yours."

I can’t imagine not having better access to something like that. I also can’t imagine NFL without

Posted by voiceofreason <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=voiceofreason' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 24, 2024, 14:30:17, in reply to "i would think for 4.6 billy, you'd get increased transport to the museum campus"

plentiful tailgating, but that’s a way more minor issue.

Outside of the above, these renderings look awesome. The whole area looks great. Love how they would preserve parts of Soldier too. Stadium looks incredible.

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along with some sort of entertainment district.

nope.

softball fields.

will they blow me where the pampers is?*

Posted by Sammich <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Sammich' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 24, 2024, 13:52:59, in reply to "i would think for 4.6 billy, you'd get increased transport to the museum campus"

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along with some sort of entertainment district.

nope.

softball fields.

my life is nothing I thought it should be and everything I was worried it would become

nit: are*

Posted by HamptonSki <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=HamptonSki' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 24, 2024, 13:54:04, in reply to "will they blow me where the pampers is?*"

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along with some sort of entertainment district.

nope.

softball fields.

Incorrect. *

Posted by assassin <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=assassin' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 24, 2024, 14:31:43, in reply to "nit: are*"

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along with some sort of entertainment district.

nope.

softball fields.

Brandon Schrock of Laredo, Texas, told the federal government that his employer was “poop,” and his occupation was “pooper.”

Touche*

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along with some sort of entertainment district.

nope.

softball fields.

Yes, my bad*

Posted by Mrap24 <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Mrap24' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 24, 2024, 13:51:16, in reply to "For the stadium. More for the entire project*"

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why is the head of the YMCA speaking?! why did either of the last two guys speak!?!*

Posted by VIV <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=VIV' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 24, 2024, 13:10:30, in reply to "Bears having a presser Wednesday to announce plans for new publicly owned stadium on Lakefront"

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"the sum value of my outfit will always be higher than yours."

shout out to the beluga whales. *

Posted by VIV <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=VIV' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 24, 2024, 13:03:17, in reply to "Bears having a presser Wednesday to announce plans for new publicly owned stadium on Lakefront"

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"the sum value of my outfit will always be higher than yours."

we got a bus depot! haven't seen anything on expanding rail*

Posted by VIV <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=VIV' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 24, 2024, 12:56:38, in reply to "Bears having a presser Wednesday to announce plans for new publicly owned stadium on Lakefront"

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"the sum value of my outfit will always be higher than yours."

LGBJ says "no new taxes on the residents of chicago"

Posted by VIV <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=VIV' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 24, 2024, 12:45:30, in reply to "Bears having a presser Wednesday to announce plans for new publicly owned stadium on Lakefront"

https://twitter.com/CHGO_Bears/status/1783186094353195318

so............. where's that $2.3B coming from? can you make up that much in entertainment taxes?

"the sum value of my outfit will always be higher than yours."

They want the state to refinance the existing debt on Soldier Field and Guaranteed Rate

Posted by CanHartlebHireSnider <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=CanHartlebHireSnider' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 24, 2024, 13:49:03, in reply to "LGBJ says "no new taxes on the residents of chicago""

And continue issuing bonds over 40 years backed by the existing 2% hotel tax.

can we earmark some sports betting revenue for this? *

Posted by ijustkrushalot <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=ijustkrushalot' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 24, 2024, 13:56:28, in reply to "They want the state to refinance the existing debt on Soldier Field and Guaranteed Rate"

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And continue issuing bonds over 40 years backed by the existing 2% hotel tax.

If I heard correctly, he's not raising the rates on existing taxes. Wonder where the money's coming

Posted by osklister <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=osklister' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 24, 2024, 13:46:53, in reply to "LGBJ says "no new taxes on the residents of chicago""

Wonder where the money's coming from?? As noted below, a flood of new scratchers from the IL Lottery?? Doesn't seem like a reliable source of $$, but what do I know. IMHO, seems like a lot of people would be wondering the same thing.

I guess Brandon pointed out it would be a site for HS Championships, blah, blah, blah; and oh yeah, Final Fours and "Chicago could bid" on the Super Bowl. Not too sure that's a list in fiscal impact order, but here we are.

For fun: "" stadium "" on all the architectural drawings. Plenty of space for naming rights.

Posted by osklister <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=osklister' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 24, 2024, 14:46:58, in reply to "If I heard correctly, he's not raising the rates on existing taxes. Wonder where the money's coming"

On one of those drawings.... "publicly-owned hotel".

OMG. Does that ever have all the potential for a boondoggle. Is there a publicly-owned hotel right now in the US??

Yes. My employer owns a hotel

Posted by ijustkrushalot <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=ijustkrushalot' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 24, 2024, 14:58:59, in reply to "For fun: "" stadium "" on all the architectural drawings. Plenty of space for naming rights."

we own the property, Hilton runs it and puts a flag on it.

not uncommon

Thanks for that info. Does Hilton have some sort of a "franchise" agreement for a definite time?

Posted by osklister <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=osklister' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 24, 2024, 16:24:02, in reply to "Yes. My employer owns a hotel"

Just curious as to when/if the franchise may turn over, and if that's typical when the underlying real estate is also owned by the same people.

Totally FWIW: the new Mike Madigan, Emanuel (Welch??) didn't think there was any effin' way the White Sox hotel taxes would get extended. (Kinda paraphrasing here.) And also FWLIW, he was standing next to Pritzker when he said it. Right now, the Bears have some selling to do on the statewide level (that's JMHO).

The Vikes paid of their stadium early using essentially lottery scratch-offs or something like that*

Posted by bjl63 <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=bjl63' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 24, 2024, 13:32:12, in reply to "LGBJ says "no new taxes on the residents of chicago""

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so............. where's that $2.3B coming from? can you make up that much in entertainment taxes?

no problem, we're just going to sell lake shore drive and o'hare to private equity cos from china.*

Posted by cpsteine <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=cpsteine' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 24, 2024, 13:21:08, in reply to "LGBJ says "no new taxes on the residents of chicago""

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https://twitter.com/CHGO_Bears/status/1783186094353195318

so............. where's that $2.3B coming from? can you make up that much in entertainment taxes?

Gonna levy the downstaters. Brandon is a New Illinois Project accelerationist.*

Posted by Sammich <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Sammich' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 24, 2024, 12:54:41, in reply to "LGBJ says "no new taxes on the residents of chicago""

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https://twitter.com/CHGO_Bears/status/1783186094353195318

so............. where's that $2.3B coming from? can you make up that much in entertainment taxes?

my life is nothing I thought it should be and everything I was worried it would become

Warren is just babbling now. He’s essentially repeating the same stuff over and over.*

Posted by Mrap24 <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Mrap24' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 24, 2024, 12:41:45, in reply to "Bears having a presser Wednesday to announce plans for new publicly owned stadium on Lakefront"

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https://x.com/kpowell720/status/1782505198889455723?s=46&t=1RNaEoTzszuK8ZGMTKgLhA

renderings

Posted by IlliniSax05 <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=IlliniSax05' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 24, 2024, 12:08:22, in reply to "Bears having a presser Wednesday to announce plans for new publicly owned stadium on Lakefront"

https://www.chicagobears.com/photos/photos-bears-stadium-project-in-chicago

Why do you hate me, Sammich?

MAJOR UPDATE: "Maybe you're not such a bad egg, Lisle-y"
-Sammich, 1/15/2011

$6B minimum and not until 2029. Lock*

Posted by timmer <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=timmer' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 24, 2024, 13:06:46, in reply to "renderings"

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https://www.chicagobears.com/photos/photos-bears-stadium-project-in-chicago

(for rent)

anything about construction timeline?

we get to try and do the Champaign Bears again?

If the new stadium is next door, would they have to play somewhere else?*

Posted by IlliniOllie <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=IlliniOllie' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 24, 2024, 12:57:36, in reply to "anything about construction timeline?"

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we get to try and do the Champaign Bears again?

doesn't look like it affects the footprint*

Posted by VIV <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=VIV' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 24, 2024, 13:11:02, in reply to "If the new stadium is next door, would they have to play somewhere else?*"

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we get to try and do the Champaign Bears again?

"the sum value of my outfit will always be higher than yours."

But then where will people park?*

Posted by longsnapper <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=longsnapper' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 24, 2024, 13:19:37, in reply to "doesn't look like it affects the footprint*"

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we get to try and do the Champaign Bears again?

Lots of puns, no real answers

In the bike lanes*

Posted by HamptonSki <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=HamptonSki' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 24, 2024, 13:45:58, in reply to "But then where will people park?*"

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we get to try and do the Champaign Bears again?

in the lake*

Posted by VIV <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=VIV' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 24, 2024, 13:28:29, in reply to "But then where will people park?*"

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we get to try and do the Champaign Bears again?

"the sum value of my outfit will always be higher than yours."

Caleb Williams is going to throw so many Touchdown passes in that stadium*

Posted by illini21 <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=illini21' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 24, 2024, 12:49:41, in reply to "renderings"

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https://www.chicagobears.com/photos/photos-bears-stadium-project-in-chicago

This organization has a history of screwing up QBs. He could be gone before they play a game there.*

Posted by MojoJojo <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=MojoJojo' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 24, 2024, 12:53:09, in reply to "Caleb Williams is going to throw so many Touchdown passes in that stadium*"

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Shut up*

Posted by illini21 <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=illini21' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 24, 2024, 12:53:36, in reply to "This organization has a history of screwing up QBs. He could be gone before they play a game there.*"

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https://www.chicagobears.com/photos/photos-bears-stadium-project-in-chicago

Truth hurts.*

Posted by MojoJojo <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=MojoJojo' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 24, 2024, 13:24:30, in reply to "Shut up*"

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https://www.chicagobears.com/photos/photos-bears-stadium-project-in-chicago

You must be fun at parties*

Posted by illini21 <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=illini21' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 24, 2024, 13:30:30, in reply to "Truth hurts.*"

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https://www.chicagobears.com/photos/photos-bears-stadium-project-in-chicago

Because I don't have faith in the organization? Wow, sick burn brah.*

Posted by MojoJojo <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=MojoJojo' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 24, 2024, 13:45:16, in reply to "You must be fun at parties*"

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I’m just busting your balls. My Caleb post was said in jest*

Posted by illini21 <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=illini21' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 24, 2024, 13:52:18, in reply to "Because I don't have faith in the organization? Wow, sick burn brah.*"

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https://www.chicagobears.com/photos/photos-bears-stadium-project-in-chicago

is that the same roof as allegiant in Vegas?*

Posted by biclops <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=biclops' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 24, 2024, 12:36:38, in reply to "renderings"

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https://www.chicagobears.com/photos/photos-bears-stadium-project-in-chicago

Hey mister you don't wanna walk on water
Cause you're only gonna walk all over me

Renderings are produced by the same architecture firm that built Allegiant

Posted by CanHartlebHireSnider <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=CanHartlebHireSnider' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 24, 2024, 12:40:36, in reply to "is that the same roof as allegiant in Vegas?*"

Wouldn’t be surprised if similar

damn, that is sexy, why did it take this long?*

Posted by Sounder <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Sounder' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 24, 2024, 12:28:25, in reply to "renderings"

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https://www.chicagobears.com/photos/photos-bears-stadium-project-in-chicago

Where is the parking?*

Posted by Quiz <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Quiz' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 24, 2024, 12:27:17, in reply to "renderings"

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it's under the sauce*

Posted by VIV <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=VIV' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 24, 2024, 14:31:26, in reply to "Where is the parking?*"

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"the sum value of my outfit will always be higher than yours."

Underground. Parking is still an issue*

Posted by Mrap24 <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Mrap24' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 24, 2024, 12:37:40, in reply to "Where is the parking?*"

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https://www.chicagobears.com/photos/photos-bears-stadium-project-in-chicago

Looks great*

Posted by illini21 <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=illini21' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 24, 2024, 12:19:48, in reply to "renderings"

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That Final Four pic is crazy. This is a huge press conference with Brandon Johnson

Would be insane if this was a bluff

lofl

Posted by lcubed <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=lcubed' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 24, 2024, 13:18:20, in reply to "That Final Four pic is crazy. This is a huge press conference with Brandon Johnson "

http://capitolfax.com/2024/04/24/flashback-candidate-johnson-opposed-bears-stadium-subsidies/

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Would be insane if this was a bluff

The prayer at the start of the press conference is the cringiest thing I’ve seen

Posted by CanHartlebHireSnider <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=CanHartlebHireSnider' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 24, 2024, 12:28:50, in reply to "That Final Four pic is crazy. This is a huge press conference with Brandon Johnson "

Particularly at a sports press conference

lol yeah that was incredibly weird*

Posted by illini21 <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=illini21' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 24, 2024, 12:35:46, in reply to "The prayer at the start of the press conference is the cringiest thing I’ve seen "

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Particularly at a sports press conference

Someday I’ll share my story about being in Virginia’s suite with the Cardinal

Posted by bigbop85 <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=bigbop85' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 24, 2024, 12:30:54, in reply to "The prayer at the start of the press conference is the cringiest thing I’ve seen "

Great times…

Cardinal, who are those little boys you brought?*

Posted by HamptonSki <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=HamptonSki' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 24, 2024, 13:06:48, in reply to "Someday I’ll share my story about being in Virginia’s suite with the Cardinal"

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Great times…

"My name is Fred." "There is no God."*

Posted by LWillhite <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=LWillhite' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 24, 2024, 12:44:15, in reply to "Someday I’ll share my story about being in Virginia’s suite with the Cardinal"

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Great times…

What's Russell Wilson got to do with this?*

Posted by longsnapper <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=longsnapper' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 24, 2024, 12:30:42, in reply to "The prayer at the start of the press conference is the cringiest thing I’ve seen "

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Particularly at a sports press conference

Lots of puns, no real answers

oooo

Posted by CanHartlebHireSnider <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=CanHartlebHireSnider' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 24, 2024, 12:35:04, in reply to "What's Russell Wilson got to do with this?*"

https://x.com/_marcusd3_/status/1783180616063717575?s=46&t=MWDCul4OYT_bx4k20dduAA

This is me every time the national anthem is played*

Posted by Sounder <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Sounder' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 24, 2024, 12:29:39, in reply to "The prayer at the start of the press conference is the cringiest thing I’ve seen "

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Particularly at a sports press conference

It isn't like Johnson would be getting anything else done with his time*

Posted by longsnapper <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=longsnapper' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 24, 2024, 12:28:01, in reply to "That Final Four pic is crazy. This is a huge press conference with Brandon Johnson "

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Would be insane if this was a bluff

Lots of puns, no real answers

looks great. where's the parking and how many does it seat?*

Posted by VIV <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=VIV' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 24, 2024, 12:13:15, in reply to "renderings"

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https://www.chicagobears.com/photos/photos-bears-stadium-project-in-chicago

"the sum value of my outfit will always be higher than yours."

a lot of fill in the existing/historic seating bowl... underground parking?

Posted by ijustkrushalot <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=ijustkrushalot' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 24, 2024, 12:20:05, in reply to "looks great. where's the parking and how many does it seat?*"

you can get a lot of cars there

I was think that too. Underneath where the existing stadium is

Posted by CanHartlebHireSnider <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=CanHartlebHireSnider' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 24, 2024, 12:23:07, in reply to "a lot of fill in the existing/historic seating bowl... underground parking? "

There’s not a ton of parking there currently as it is.

That view out to the skyline is sweet

Posted by snipes824 <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=snipes824' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 24, 2024, 12:10:15, in reply to "renderings"

Marlins park has something similar.

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outside view to there kinda makes it look like another ufo allowing the masses to enter*

Posted by torinese <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=torinese' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 24, 2024, 12:23:04, in reply to "That view out to the skyline is sweet"

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Marlins park has something similar.

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https://www.chicagobears.com/photos/photos-bears-stadium-project-in-chicago

i was hoping for exactly that*

Posted by VIV <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=VIV' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 24, 2024, 12:13:40, in reply to "That view out to the skyline is sweet"

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Marlins park has something similar.

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https://www.chicagobears.com/photos/photos-bears-stadium-project-in-chicago

"the sum value of my outfit will always be higher than yours."

My dream would be to roll into this deal:

Posted by longsnapper <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=longsnapper' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 24, 2024, 11:40:29, in reply to "Bears having a presser Wednesday to announce plans for new publicly owned stadium on Lakefront"

1 pay off the parking contract
2 extend train access to museum campus

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https://x.com/kpowell720/status/1782505198889455723?s=46&t=1RNaEoTzszuK8ZGMTKgLhA

Lots of puns, no real answers

Reminder for snapper and others that the Ricketts paid for everything privately

Posted by bigbop85 <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=bigbop85' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 23, 2024, 23:32:12, in reply to "Bears having a presser Wednesday to announce plans for new publicly owned stadium on Lakefront"

And left Wrigleyville better today than it was in 2010.

The federal taxpayer says you’re welcome between 100 and 125 million times

Posted by ATL <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=ATL' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 24, 2024, 5:35:12, in reply to "Reminder for snapper and others that the Ricketts paid for everything privately"

https://www.cubsinsider.com/2020/11/24/tom-ricketts-says-wrigley-field-tax-credits-wont-help-baseball-budget/

The exact value of those credits obviously isn’t public knowledge, but team spokesman Julian Green said last year that they were expected to fall between $100-125 million.

"For the regulated community, a FONSI represents happy days."

Fundamentally different

Posted by bigbop85 <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=bigbop85' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 24, 2024, 12:30:17, in reply to "The federal taxpayer says you’re welcome between 100 and 125 million times"

White Sox and Bears were a transfer of taxes collected from citizens in Chicago, Cook county, and Illinois and then used to pay for stadiums.

Wrigley Field was deemed a federal historic landmark, which came with a ton of restrictions but the benefit of lowering the federal tax bill over time.

$100 million or thereabouts in federal tax collections from one private organization is fundamentally different than collective taxes on local citizens in the billions.

I was told Tom Ricketts would be bad for Chelsea*

Posted by Poldark <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Poldark' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 24, 2024, 4:22:02, in reply to "Reminder for snapper and others that the Ricketts paid for everything privately"

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And left Wrigleyville better today than it was in 2010.

Social Misfit who wants to coach Illinois women's basketball.

"That’s cool. Don’t really care what you think."

Trib reporting it will cost $4.6B and they want taxpayers to cover half.*

Posted by Toonces <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Toonces' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 23, 2024, 20:16:19, in reply to "Bears having a presser Wednesday to announce plans for new publicly owned stadium on Lakefront"

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PUSSY IN BIO

so that's ~$25M per game over 20 years if you assume 10 games/year. seems like a lot.*

Posted by cpsteine <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=cpsteine' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 24, 2024, 13:02:11, in reply to "Trib reporting it will cost $4.6B and they want taxpayers to cover half.*"

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[jb] lofl, good one guys [/pritzker]*

Posted by lcubed <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=lcubed' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 23, 2024, 20:50:55, in reply to "Trib reporting it will cost $4.6B and they want taxpayers to cover half.*"

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Lol. Of course. *

Posted by VIV <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=VIV' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 23, 2024, 20:23:57, in reply to "Trib reporting it will cost $4.6B and they want taxpayers to cover half.*"

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"the sum value of my outfit will always be higher than yours."

See you, Bears*

Posted by gvibes <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=gvibes' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 23, 2024, 20:23:01, in reply to "Trib reporting it will cost $4.6B and they want taxpayers to cover half.*"

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i don't really care, but now they own a giant vacant property in

Posted by Throwsize <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Throwsize' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 23, 2024, 20:13:28, in reply to "Bears having a presser Wednesday to announce plans for new publicly owned stadium on Lakefront"

Arlington heights?

whats the plan there?

Maybe they'll build a lead smelter, or a rendering plant, or a kraft paper mill there

Posted by IlliniOllie <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=IlliniOllie' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 24, 2024, 12:46:06, in reply to "i don't really care, but now they own a giant vacant property in "

"You don't want the Bears here? Then you're *really* not going to like what we build instead!"

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Arlington heights?

whats the plan there?

The plan is to eventually build there after this Chicago bluff fails.*

Posted by Carl Spackler <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Carl+Spackler' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 23, 2024, 20:50:24, in reply to "i don't really care, but now they own a giant vacant property in "

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Arlington heights?

whats the plan there?

Move their HQ there from Lake Forest and build an entertainment/residential complex around that?

Posted by bjl63 <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=bjl63' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 24, 2024, 13:31:32, in reply to "The plan is to eventually build there after this Chicago bluff fails.*"

That's what Warren did in Minnesota when they built their dome.

It’s a great lot for a horse track. *

Posted by VIV <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=VIV' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 23, 2024, 20:26:26, in reply to "i don't really care, but now they own a giant vacant property in "

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Arlington heights?

whats the plan there?

"the sum value of my outfit will always be higher than yours."

literal LOL *

Posted by Throwsize <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Throwsize' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 23, 2024, 23:40:17, in reply to "It’s a great lot for a horse track. *"

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Arlington heights?

whats the plan there?

Woodfield II*

Posted by Sammich <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Sammich' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 23, 2024, 20:24:05, in reply to "i don't really care, but now they own a giant vacant property in "

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Arlington heights?

whats the plan there?

my life is nothing I thought it should be and everything I was worried it would become

It is amazingly short-sighted

Posted by bjl63 <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=bjl63' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 23, 2024, 20:05:20, in reply to "Bears having a presser Wednesday to announce plans for new publicly owned stadium on Lakefront"

So much revenue taken off the table and not a blade of grass owned by them…

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My guess is that they are getting a sweetheart deal that gives them most of the revenue

Posted by CanHartlebHireSnider <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=CanHartlebHireSnider' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 23, 2024, 20:42:12, in reply to "It is amazingly short-sighted"

With little expense.

In fact I wouldn’t be surprised if they’re getting a better deal than the expense it would cost to develop Arlington.

I bet the city is willing to give up significant control.

The Sox have an extremely friendly deal on a publicly owned facility.

But to be honest if the public is putting on significant cost to build the stadium the city should get a better share of revenue.

Are there any drawings*

Posted by TarheelIllini <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=TarheelIllini' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 23, 2024, 13:57:41, in reply to "Bears having a presser Wednesday to announce plans for new publicly owned stadium on Lakefront"

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Stupidity has a knack of getting its way
Albert Camus
Courage is a muscle. You exercise courage by consistently doing things that scare you.
History doesn’t repeat itself but it often rhymes.

I’d guess there will be tomorrow when they announcement happens*

Posted by CanHartlebHireSnider <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=CanHartlebHireSnider' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 23, 2024, 13:58:57, in reply to "Are there any drawings*"

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IF this stadium comes to fruition, what happens to Soldier Field?

Posted by RSMBob <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=RSMBob' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 23, 2024, 9:27:16, in reply to "Bears having a presser Wednesday to announce plans for new publicly owned stadium on Lakefront"

Do they tear it down and just leave the historic columns and turn it in to a park or parking?

Fuck it, just keep stacking stadiums inside the columns like a kid that sucks at LEGOs

Posted by OB25 <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=OB25' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 23, 2024, 10:14:33, in reply to "IF this stadium comes to fruition, what happens to Soldier Field?"

Let’s see how much we can cram in there.

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Do they tear it down and just leave the historic columns and turn it in to a park or parking?

When something is happening, young people like to say it’s “lit.”

IIRC, the columns no longer have "historic" protection

Posted by VIV <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=VIV' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 23, 2024, 9:30:02, in reply to "IF this stadium comes to fruition, what happens to Soldier Field?"

but i agree with schlongsnapper. i think they somehow work them into a green space.

"the sum value of my outfit will always be higher than yours."

I would guess leave the columns as part of a green space*

Posted by longsnapper <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=longsnapper' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 23, 2024, 9:27:41, in reply to "IF this stadium comes to fruition, what happens to Soldier Field?"

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Do they tear it down and just leave the historic columns and turn it in to a park or parking?

Lots of puns, no real answers

Maybe work them into a new soccer stadium for the Fire*

Posted by ISeeDeadHawkeyes <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=ISeeDeadHawkeyes' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 23, 2024, 10:21:23, in reply to "I would guess leave the columns as part of a green space*"

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Do they tear it down and just leave the historic columns and turn it in to a park or parking?

This.*

Posted by KingTalkyTiki <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=KingTalkyTiki' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 23, 2024, 10:57:04, in reply to "Maybe work them into a new soccer stadium for the Fire*"

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Do they tear it down and just leave the historic columns and turn it in to a park or parking?

what would also be cool:

Posted by VIV <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=VIV' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 23, 2024, 9:35:09, in reply to "I would guess leave the columns as part of a green space*"

recreate them in the new stadium. put them as backdrops behind the lower bowl in the north end zone. that could also be SRO space.

especially so if you have the north end of the stadium as glass without upper deck end zone seating so you can get the skyline view with columns in the foreground. the camera shots frame themselves.

"the sum value of my outfit will always be higher than yours."

*chews on donuts*

Posted by ijustkrushalot <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=ijustkrushalot' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 23, 2024, 9:15:00, in reply to "Bears having a presser Wednesday to announce plans for new publicly owned stadium on Lakefront"

largely how I expected this would all play out.

Not that it was given they would stay in Chicago, but the Arlington Heights deal was as much about leverage as anything else.

I'm throwing the challenge flag on this being over.*

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largely how I expected this would all play out.

Not that it was given they would stay in Chicago, but the Arlington Heights deal was as much about leverage as anything else.

I'll take some donuts

I wish we could go back to the original thread a few years ago when the news broke that the Bears were in talks to buy Arlington. I thought the Bears had little ability to actually build and pay for a stadium on their own plot of land.

But I'll just stick to this thread from a few months ago I guess.

Of course I'm just a guy who speaks authoritatively when I have no idea.

https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/msg/archive/1708704608.html

i think when the actual story gets told years down the line

Posted by VIV <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=VIV' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 23, 2024, 9:17:23, in reply to "*chews on donuts*"

george and ted wanted arlington heights.

warren wanted the lakefront.

"the sum value of my outfit will always be higher than yours."

per my sources...

Posted by bigbop85 <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=bigbop85' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 23, 2024, 10:15:48, in reply to "i think when the actual story gets told years down the line "

Fritz Kaegi performed the code red on behalf of Lori to keep them in Chicago.

That really, really pissed off George and made him reconsider staying in Chicago.

or george and ted didn't want to deal with chicago, but ah overplayed their hand and kw

Posted by Ari Gold <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Ari+Gold' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 23, 2024, 9:44:45, in reply to "i think when the actual story gets told years down the line "

was able to rekindle the chicago relationship.

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george and ted wanted arlington heights.

warren wanted the lakefront.

i think it could be part of it. MAYOR HAIRCUT didn't want to bend over for them

Posted by VIV <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=VIV' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 23, 2024, 9:50:28, in reply to "or george and ted didn't want to deal with chicago, but ah overplayed their hand and kw"

so they went and bought the arlington lot. they realize they have no idea how to actually build a stadium and go hire warren. he says "as a condition, what i say goes." they say ok. once he has the job, he says "i think arlington heights is stupid and i don't care that you bought that lot. plus, AH is being ridiculous about this. how bad are they going to be when we actually want to break ground? hey, new mayor (i can't remember your fun little nickname for him). you need a political win because you've kind of been a disaster. want to be the guy that keeps the bears in the city? agree to these terms and you got it."

"the sum value of my outfit will always be higher than yours."

I think this is correct. And I think Warren is doing right by the Bears too*

Posted by JacobRDaugherty <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=JacobRDaugherty' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 23, 2024, 10:21:35, in reply to "i think it could be part of it. MAYOR HAIRCUT didn't want to bend over for them"

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By throwing potentially a shit ton of revenue down the drain?

Posted by bjl63 <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=bjl63' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 23, 2024, 20:06:32, in reply to "I think this is correct. And I think Warren is doing right by the Bears too*"

Not to mention having to cede ownership of the property/building to the city

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at least bear fans*

Posted by torinese <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=torinese' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 23, 2024, 10:44:45, in reply to "I think this is correct. And I think Warren is doing right by the Bears too*"

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Are the 49ers more valuable because they are in Santa Clara now?

Not sure that is correct. Arlington, Tx is very different than Arlington Heights. Soldier Field needed to be changed no doubt though

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I think they're worth SIGNIFICANTLY more than they were in SF...but they also own the stadium...

Posted by haighter <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=haighter' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 23, 2024, 10:58:19, in reply to "Are the 49ers more valuable because they are in Santa Clara now?"

...which isn't really an apples to apples comparison here.

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Not sure that is correct. Arlington, Tx is very different than Arlington Heights. Soldier Field needed to be changed no doubt though

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Which is all that matters*

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Lots of puns, no real answers

Yeah, and I'm sure this is why they fired the contracts guy*

Posted by longsnapper <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=longsnapper' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 23, 2024, 9:44:37, in reply to "i think when the actual story gets told years down the line "

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george and ted wanted arlington heights.

warren wanted the lakefront.

Lots of puns, no real answers

For sure.*

Posted by gullit <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=gullit' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 23, 2024, 9:39:03, in reply to "i think when the actual story gets told years down the line "

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george and ted wanted arlington heights.

warren wanted the lakefront.

Ignorant question: where do Bears fans tailgate before the games? Is there adequate space to do

Posted by voiceofreason <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=voiceofreason' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 23, 2024, 9:09:24, in reply to "Bears having a presser Wednesday to announce plans for new publicly owned stadium on Lakefront"

that in the current location?

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Adequate, no*

Posted by Mrap24 <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Mrap24' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 23, 2024, 9:53:48, in reply to "Ignorant question: where do Bears fans tailgate before the games? Is there adequate space to do"

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that in the current location?

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parking sucks unless you get a pass in advance

Posted by VIV <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=VIV' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 23, 2024, 9:21:09, in reply to "Ignorant question: where do Bears fans tailgate before the games? Is there adequate space to do"

and the new building is supposed to be going in on the footprint of what little on-site parking there is.

the rest of the people either park in the lot just south of the I-55/Lake shore drive interchange (lot B) or some lot they find walkable to the stadium in the south loop.

"the sum value of my outfit will always be higher than yours."

there is very limited parking/tailgating space near the stadium now

Posted by IlliniSax05 <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=IlliniSax05' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 23, 2024, 9:10:59, in reply to "Ignorant question: where do Bears fans tailgate before the games? Is there adequate space to do"

Why do you hate me, Sammich?

MAJOR UPDATE: "Maybe you're not such a bad egg, Lisle-y"
-Sammich, 1/15/2011

parking is limited, but tailgating space seem sufficient for those who want to do so.*

Posted by Ari Gold <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Ari+Gold' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 23, 2024, 9:47:30, in reply to "there is very limited parking/tailgating space near the stadium now"

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i guarantee more people would tailgate if they had the ability to do so

Posted by IlliniSax05 <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=IlliniSax05' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 23, 2024, 9:50:38, in reply to "parking is limited, but tailgating space seem sufficient for those who want to do so.*"

Why do you hate me, Sammich?

MAJOR UPDATE: "Maybe you're not such a bad egg, Lisle-y"
-Sammich, 1/15/2011

Are there any prospects of better rail access to the lakeshore in that area?*

Posted by ATL <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=ATL' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 23, 2024, 8:57:33, in reply to "Bears having a presser Wednesday to announce plans for new publicly owned stadium on Lakefront"

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"For the regulated community, a FONSI represents happy days."

I've heard that's going to be included in proposal*

Posted by longsnapper <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=longsnapper' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 23, 2024, 9:01:18, in reply to "Are there any prospects of better rail access to the lakeshore in that area?*"

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Lots of puns, no real answers

Putting aside the other issues including public funding, the lack of access would be a non-starter

Posted by ATL <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=ATL' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 23, 2024, 9:06:45, in reply to "I've heard that's going to be included in proposal*"

if you're the city or the club. If they are extending a branch off the El to serve the lakefront or some other mass transit option, great.

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"For the regulated community, a FONSI represents happy days."

The complaints about current accessibility are overblown, but I agree it can be better*

Posted by longsnapper <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=longsnapper' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 23, 2024, 9:09:12, in reply to "Putting aside the other issues including public funding, the lack of access would be a non-starter"

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if you're the city or the club. If they are extending a branch off the El to serve the lakefront or some other mass transit option, great.

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Lots of puns, no real answers

lol dude current access is beyond awful

Posted by bigbop85 <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=bigbop85' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 23, 2024, 10:19:10, in reply to "The complaints about current accessibility are overblown, but I agree it can be better*"

The walk from exiting the stadium to the red line platform is almost a mile from the north exit of the stadium.

egads! A MILE?!?!?!*

Posted by longsnapper <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=longsnapper' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 23, 2024, 10:19:40, in reply to "lol dude current access is beyond awful"

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The walk from exiting the stadium to the red line platform is almost a mile from the north exit of the stadium.

Lots of puns, no real answers

Wrigley - 0 blocks / Guaranteed Rate 1 block / United Center 5 blocks

So yes, 8 blocks is pretty awful.

I agree that, on the whole, Chicago stadiums are pretty damn convenient. Soldier Field is

Posted by longsnapper <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=longsnapper' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 23, 2024, 10:42:05, in reply to "Wrigley - 0 blocks / Guaranteed Rate 1 block / United Center 5 blocks"

The worst of the group. However, it is still vastly exaggerated how inconvenient it is to get to.

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So yes, 8 blocks is pretty awful.

Lots of puns, no real answers

What??? The accessibility sucks ass

Posted by Buttcrack <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Buttcrack' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 23, 2024, 10:04:47, in reply to "The complaints about current accessibility are overblown, but I agree it can be better*"

Also known as INTERGLUTEAL CLEFT!!!!

It's not perfect, but there's stadiums with much worse accessibility.*

Posted by longsnapper <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=longsnapper' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 23, 2024, 10:24:55, in reply to "What??? The accessibility sucks ass"

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Lots of puns, no real answers

I think the accessibility complaints are legitimate but also end up being largely irrelevant

Posted by OB25 <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=OB25' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 23, 2024, 9:26:12, in reply to "The complaints about current accessibility are overblown, but I agree it can be better*"

The events being held there are Bears games and huge concerts, there’s no reduction in tickets sold for those types of events as a result of it being a pain to get there. Would be a much different story if we were talking about a baseball or basketball/hockey stadium.

Can’t be good for the Chicago Fire but in the grand scheme of things that’s unfortunately not super relevant, they need their own stadium.

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if you're the city or the club. If they are extending a branch off the El to serve the lakefront or some other mass transit option, great.

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When something is happening, young people like to say it’s “lit.”

I am in the camp of if you're going to move, move to a more accessible location

Posted by ATL <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=ATL' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 23, 2024, 9:13:24, in reply to "The complaints about current accessibility are overblown, but I agree it can be better*"

or bring the access to the current location - it would serve the museums and the parks too.

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if you're the city or the club. If they are extending a branch off the El to serve the lakefront or some other mass transit option, great.

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"For the regulated community, a FONSI represents happy days."

Seems like you're going to build the new stadium in a spot to become an extension of McCormick??

Posted by ijustkrushalot <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=ijustkrushalot' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 23, 2024, 9:20:53, in reply to "I am in the camp of if you're going to move, move to a more accessible location"

I haven't been in McCormick and not super familiar with that whole area but you can probably latch onto some of that infrastructure?

The lakefront is an awesome site and looks great on tv but this seems like a horrible idea.*

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Let me cook.

Why?*

Posted by longsnapper <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=longsnapper' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 23, 2024, 9:01:32, in reply to "The lakefront is an awesome site and looks great on tv but this seems like a horrible idea.*"

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it seems like a pretty good location for one off events or football (10 days a year)

I would agree the lake is a horrible location for a baseball stadium or indoor arena... but the Bears have sold out a shit product every game for decades and the stadium is used for a number of high profile concerts a year so the whole "nobody will get to this stadium" thing is pretty dumb

It will still be hard to get to and lack parking. Now maybe if Jerry's River City pipe dream

doesn't come to fruition they can use that site. That would rule.

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Let me cook.

so they're gonna try and do the publicly-owned thing again. i don't get it*

Posted by cpsteine <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=cpsteine' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 23, 2024, 8:39:45, in reply to "Bears having a presser Wednesday to announce plans for new publicly owned stadium on Lakefront"

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can the McCaskeys fund a stadium project themselves?

Posted by IlliniSax05 <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=IlliniSax05' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 23, 2024, 8:50:27, in reply to "so they're gonna try and do the publicly-owned thing again. i don't get it*"

it's not like they have a revenue stream outside of the team

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they've already talked about coming up with $2b.*

Posted by Ari Gold <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Ari+Gold' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 23, 2024, 9:49:01, in reply to "can the McCaskeys fund a stadium project themselves?"

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it's not like they have a revenue stream outside of the team

What’s the point of a domed stadium on the lakefront?*

Posted by Herman Blume <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Herman+Blume' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 22, 2024, 22:17:29, in reply to "Bears having a presser Wednesday to announce plans for new publicly owned stadium on Lakefront"

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I'm assuming a lot of glass would be involved to give views of the lake and skyline?*

Posted by Ari Gold <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Ari+Gold' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 23, 2024, 9:50:43, in reply to "What’s the point of a domed stadium on the lakefront?*"

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Maybe, but I'll believe it when I see it*

Posted by Herman Blume <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Herman+Blume' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 23, 2024, 10:31:57, in reply to "I'm assuming a lot of glass would be involved to give views of the lake and skyline?*"

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Final four. Aka, make money*

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Stupidity has a knack of getting its way
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History doesn’t repeat itself but it often rhymes.

No shit. The question is, if it's domed, why does it need to be on the lakefront?*

Posted by Herman Blume <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Herman+Blume' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 23, 2024, 9:48:31, in reply to "Final four. Aka, make money*"

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There could be some huge wrestling cards in that stadium.*

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for the city, apparently, as they'll be the owners and not the bears. *

Posted by VIV <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=VIV' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 23, 2024, 8:35:46, in reply to "Final four. Aka, make money*"

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"the sum value of my outfit will always be higher than yours."

Who gets the money doesn't matter, though*

Posted by longsnapper <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=longsnapper' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 23, 2024, 8:39:03, in reply to "for the city, apparently, as they'll be the owners and not the bears. *"

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Lots of puns, no real answers

In either case, it'll mostly be the Bears

Posted by ijustkrushalot <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=ijustkrushalot' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 23, 2024, 9:10:11, in reply to "Who gets the money doesn't matter, though*"

might as well own the thing on paper at least

Would the bears get money for concerts, WrestleMania, final four?

Posted by longsnapper <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=longsnapper' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 23, 2024, 9:29:19, in reply to "In either case, it'll mostly be the Bears"

I guess if that's part of the agreement. But then the economic boom brought by those events is enjoyed by the city

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might as well own the thing on paper at least

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if i owned the bears, it would matter to me.

Posted by VIV <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=VIV' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 23, 2024, 8:50:20, in reply to "Who gets the money doesn't matter, though*"

and if i were a chicago taxpayer, i'd be concerned about footing the bill for another stadium while the current one is still not close to paid off.

as neither of those, i'm curious what tradeoffs the bears are getting for staying on the lakefront instead of owning the hotels, restaurants, shops, parking, and all revenue from concerts, events, and games.

"the sum value of my outfit will always be higher than yours."

Arlington heights is in Cook county anyway, so we'd have to pay regardless.

Posted by longsnapper <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=longsnapper' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 23, 2024, 8:57:20, in reply to "if i owned the bears, it would matter to me. "

I give absolutely zero shits about the McCaskeys and how they earn their money, build a stadium village, etc. Personally, I would MUCH prefer the city gets paid before the McCaskeys.

I only care about the product on the field, and to a much smaller degree, the location of the stadium.

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Controlled weather*

Posted by JeffFrank <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=JeffFrank' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 22, 2024, 22:19:07, in reply to "What’s the point of a domed stadium on the lakefront?*"

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The day before your team drafts #1 and takes one of the best QB prospects ever.

Posted by Carl Spackler <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Carl+Spackler' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 22, 2024, 17:26:08, in reply to "Bears having a presser Wednesday to announce plans for new publicly owned stadium on Lakefront"

Kevin Warren is a publicity slut.

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Is it trying to catch the wave of the draft publicity or trying to bury it?*

Posted by VIV <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=VIV' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 22, 2024, 19:35:52, in reply to "The day before your team drafts #1 and takes one of the best QB prospects ever."

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Kevin Warren is a publicity slut.

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"the sum value of my outfit will always be higher than yours."

Soldier Field at Caleb Williams Stadium.*

Posted by Toonces <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Toonces' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 22, 2024, 20:06:03, in reply to "Is it trying to catch the wave of the draft publicity or trying to bury it?*"

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Kevin Warren is a publicity slut.

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PUSSY IN BIO

I think the former

Posted by CanHartlebHireSnider <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=CanHartlebHireSnider' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 22, 2024, 19:37:53, in reply to "Is it trying to catch the wave of the draft publicity or trying to bury it?*"

I think they think this announcement will a multiplier with the draft

I presume Friends of the Parks will have a lawsuit filed within an hour of the announcement*

Posted by Dilbert <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Dilbert' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 22, 2024, 15:57:03, in reply to "Bears having a presser Wednesday to announce plans for new publicly owned stadium on Lakefront"

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i don't think you make this announcement without the blessing of FotP*

Posted by VIV <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=VIV' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 23, 2024, 9:09:07, in reply to "I presume Friends of the Parks will have a lawsuit filed within an hour of the announcement*"

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"the sum value of my outfit will always be higher than yours."

Eff those woke fools*

Posted by JeffFrank <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=JeffFrank' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 22, 2024, 22:22:12, in reply to "I presume Friends of the Parks will have a lawsuit filed within an hour of the announcement*"

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ArLOLington heights*

Posted by longsnapper <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=longsnapper' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 22, 2024, 15:54:09, in reply to "Bears having a presser Wednesday to announce plans for new publicly owned stadium on Lakefront"

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Lots of puns, no real answers

is Chicago big enough for two teams? if owners would allow it?*

Posted by Nobster <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Nobster' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 22, 2024, 17:28:27, in reply to "ArLOLington heights*"

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bears have right of refusal for any team within something like 100 miles

Posted by VIV <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=VIV' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 23, 2024, 8:36:27, in reply to "is Chicago big enough for two teams? if owners would allow it?*"

and they would absolutely refuse.

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"the sum value of my outfit will always be higher than yours."

If NY and LA can handle it Chicago could

Posted by IlliniSax05 <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=IlliniSax05' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 22, 2024, 18:51:34, in reply to "is Chicago big enough for two teams? if owners would allow it?*"

But the McCaskeys won’t allow it

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NYC metro is more than double Chicago’s

Posted by snipes824 <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=snipes824' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 22, 2024, 18:57:41, in reply to "If NY and LA can handle it Chicago could"

I’m not saying Chicago couldn’t, but “if NY can handle it Chicago could” doesn’t really make sense.

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But the McCaskeys won’t allow it

Fair enough, but it’s not like Chicago is a small metro

Posted by IlliniSax05 <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=IlliniSax05' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 22, 2024, 19:11:51, in reply to "NYC metro is more than double Chicago’s"

And there are plenty of football crazed folks here that could, theoretically, support another team.

There would be hurdles to overcome in order to really drive that fandom but the size of the city/metro wouldn’t be one of them

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