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TSJ hearing thread

Posted by jdl <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=jdl' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 10, 2024, 10:49:56

Update: 1st break. No cell phones allowed during testimony. First witness was the alleged victim, M.N. The testimony went as expected but I will share updates later. The hearing is supposedly only going until noon. Not sure it will end today w/ everyone expected to testify.
— Mitch Gilfillan (@mitchgilfillan) May 10, 2024

New update

Posted by jdl <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=jdl' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 16, 2024, 15:57:33, in reply to "TSJ hearing thread"

BIZARRE (TSJ): New evidence that a different suspect — who committed a similar sexual act two weeks prior in the same bar — was present at the Jayhawk Cafe, in the room on the same night, and in the vicinity around the time the alleged incident occurred with TSJ ⬇️
— Mitch Gilfillan (@mitchgilfillan) May 16, 2024

Is this a trial jury?*

Posted by Sounder <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Sounder' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 16, 2024, 18:36:42, in reply to "New update"

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BIZARRE (TSJ): New evidence that a different suspect — who committed a similar sexual act two weeks prior in the same bar — was present at the Jayhawk Cafe, in the room on the same night, and in the vicinity around the time the alleged incident occurred with TSJ ⬇️ — Mitch Gilfillan (@mitchgilfillan) May 16, 2024 .

Is this America?*

Posted by ATL <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=ATL' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 16, 2024, 18:46:51, in reply to "Is this a trial jury?*"

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"For the regulated community, a FONSI represents happy days."

I just bought tickets for Gambino Childish*

Posted by PDO <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=PDO' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 16, 2024, 19:12:04, in reply to "Is this America?*"

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This is an absolutely true story

Posted by Sounder <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Sounder' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 16, 2024, 19:17:40, in reply to "I just bought tickets for Gambino Childish*"

Cardi B once saw Childish Gambino on social media and commented that he looked exactly like Donald Glover.

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Berlin?*

Posted by HamptonSki <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=HamptonSki' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 16, 2024, 19:03:19, in reply to "Is this America?*"

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dotz

Posted by Sounder <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Sounder' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 16, 2024, 18:48:59, in reply to "Is this America?*"

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Regarding the police report, DA’s refusal to share: does that not have to be shared with defense??*

Posted by cpsteine <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=cpsteine' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 16, 2024, 17:44:42, in reply to "New update"

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I am curious about this. Can a DA refuse to share ? Can the defense not do anything about it ?*

Posted by rozoben <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=rozoben' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 16, 2024, 18:10:50, in reply to "Regarding the police report, DA’s refusal to share: does that not have to be shared with defense??*"

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That’s why they are fighting over it.

Posted by SurfTheBoneyard <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=SurfTheBoneyard' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 16, 2024, 18:19:12, in reply to "I am curious about this. Can a DA refuse to share ? Can the defense not do anything about it ?*"

Yes if it is potentially exculpatory they have to turn it over. The questions here are if it is (the judge will decide), and timing, governed by state law. Judge could order it be turned over, or not, and in extreme cases of misconduct throw out the charges.

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Sky Marshal of the Luftwaffle

Jesus... she wasn't even looking at him? She can't absolutely say it was him?

Posted by uofi1998 <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=uofi1998' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 16, 2024, 17:01:00, in reply to "New update"

She goes home and googles athletes, and comes up with TJ?

How the flying fuck is this even in court???

Coleman Hawkins, er, Ty MF Rodgers Stan Account

I can’t wait to shove it in the face of Twix morons who were shitting on him*

Posted by JeffFrank <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=JeffFrank' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 16, 2024, 17:42:35, in reply to "Jesus... she wasn't even looking at him? She can't absolutely say it was him?"

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She goes home and googles athletes, and comes up with TJ?

How the flying fuck is this even in court???

#1 on my list:

Posted by JeffFrank <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=JeffFrank' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 16, 2024, 19:46:09, in reply to "I can’t wait to shove it in the face of Twix morons who were shitting on him*"

https://x.com/garyparrishcbs/status/1749237305745785168?s=46&t=BKRo-fwNJCvfGNpdPpH8sQ

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She goes home and googles athletes, and comes up with TJ?

How the flying fuck is this even in court???

I’m sure all the opposing student sections will send hand written apologies*

Posted by jayd <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=jayd' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 16, 2024, 18:04:31, in reply to "I can’t wait to shove it in the face of Twix morons who were shitting on him*"

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She goes home and googles athletes, and comes up with TJ?

How the flying fuck is this even in court???

Wisconsin band*

Posted by JeffFrank <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=JeffFrank' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 16, 2024, 18:17:41, in reply to "I’m sure all the opposing student sections will send hand written apologies*"

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She goes home and googles athletes, and comes up with TJ?

How the flying fuck is this even in court???

ooo

https://x.com/rwohlner/status/1769714275549905150?s=46&t=BKRo-fwNJCvfGNpdPpH8sQ

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She goes home and googles athletes, and comes up with TJ?

How the flying fuck is this even in court???

Twix?*

Posted by Warrin'_Illini $<iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Warrin\'_Illini' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'>$ on May 16, 2024, 17:46:54, in reply to "I can’t wait to shove it in the face of Twix morons who were shitting on him*"

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She goes home and googles athletes, and comes up with TJ?

How the flying fuck is this even in court???

Let me cook.

ooo

Posted by IlliniSax05 <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=IlliniSax05' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 16, 2024, 17:50:47, in reply to "Twix?*"

Why do you hate me, Sammich?

MAJOR UPDATE: "Maybe you're not such a bad egg, Lisle-y"
-Sammich, 1/15/2011

Twitter/X.*

Posted by Chuck Woodaby <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Chuck+Woodaby' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 16, 2024, 17:48:15, in reply to "Twix?*"

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She goes home and googles athletes, and comes up with TJ?

How the flying fuck is this even in court???

correction: Went home and googled athletes for 90 minutes. Didn't come up with TJ.

Posted by Chuck Woodaby <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Chuck+Woodaby' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 16, 2024, 17:05:11, in reply to "Jesus... she wasn't even looking at him? She can't absolutely say it was him?"

9 hours later she identified TJ. Must have been some great sleep.

She must be the first person in history whose memory gets better after sobering up.

Posted by uofi1998 <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=uofi1998' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 16, 2024, 17:12:32, in reply to "correction: Went home and googled athletes for 90 minutes. Didn't come up with TJ."

Oh wait, I forgot... she was in a college bar late on a Friday night, and was the only one there not drinking.

Sorry guys, I fudged up.

Coleman Hawkins, er, Ty MF Rodgers Stan Account

To be fair if you google the Illinois basketball team (which she did) you probably

Posted by Chuck Woodaby <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Chuck+Woodaby' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 16, 2024, 17:21:07, in reply to "She must be the first person in history whose memory gets better after sobering up."

have to go 9 or 10 pages deep before TJ is mentioned.

He definitely isn't the first picture that shows up.

A reminder: the cop observed numerous searches related to the Illinois basketball team on her phone from 2:16 am to 3:49 am. At 12:47 pm she searched for "Terrence Shannon Jr"

Yeah I’m dumbfounded. Absolute joke*

Posted by illini21 <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=illini21' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 16, 2024, 17:02:25, in reply to "Jesus... she wasn't even looking at him? She can't absolutely say it was him?"

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She goes home and googles athletes, and comes up with TJ?

How the flying fuck is this even in court???

The accuser believes it was TSJ, not stating certainly it was him

Posted by ghost_of_clt <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=ghost_of_clt' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 16, 2024, 16:51:36, in reply to "New update"

https://twitter.com/mitchgilfillan/status/1791206245342281902?t=y--XGgxTInRn35jkX-ugDA&s=19

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I am Haru of the Takagure dojo.

Do not forget that.

Golly, wonder if this other guy is in line for a fat $$$ NBA contract??? *

Posted by osklister <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=osklister' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 16, 2024, 17:01:36, in reply to "The accuser believes it was TSJ, not stating certainly it was him"

Bizzare that this is only being disclosed six months later, but whatever.

What the fuck*

Posted by illini21 <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=illini21' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 16, 2024, 16:56:52, in reply to "The accuser believes it was TSJ, not stating certainly it was him"

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https://twitter.com/mitchgilfillan/status/1791206245342281902?t=y--XGgxTInRn35jkX-ugDA&s=19

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Serial fingerer! Potential for a great SVU episode*

Posted by HamptonSki <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=HamptonSki' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 16, 2024, 16:50:51, in reply to "New update"

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ooo

Posted by ATL <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=ATL' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 16, 2024, 16:49:06, in reply to "New update"

?si=W4o-3OFpm_181wJM

"For the regulated community, a FONSI represents happy days."

The Mike Nifong Special*

Posted by Dikta <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Dikta' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 16, 2024, 16:39:12, in reply to "New update"

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LOL. he should sue for malicious prosecution*

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"Joe Biden is a child molester. You think he gives a #### about how his employees are treated?"

--not your father's republican party

I asked this question a while back. Can the public entity be sued for this?*

Posted by uofi1998 <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=uofi1998' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 16, 2024, 17:03:21, in reply to "LOL. he should sue for malicious prosecution*"

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Coleman Hawkins, er, Ty MF Rodgers Stan Account

i don't know what the standard is in criminal cases....

Posted by suburbanmyth <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=suburbanmyth' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 16, 2024, 17:37:03, in reply to "I asked this question a while back. Can the public entity be sued for this?*"

seems like there could be a violation of civil rights here but i'm not sure of that either (specifically thinking about whether this fits a federal 1983 claim).

in the civil context, i think you could sue the victim had she brought this as a civil case for damages.

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"Joe Biden is a child molester. You think he gives a #### about how his employees are treated?"

--not your father's republican party

From what I’ve seen, there is easily enough to file a 1983 claim…

Posted by Ron McDon <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Ron+McDon' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 16, 2024, 18:38:01, in reply to "i don't know what the standard is in criminal cases...."

against the police officer and entity.

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Hi Ron! I agree!*

Posted by Poldark <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Poldark' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 17, 2024, 1:13:55, in reply to "From what I’ve seen, there is easily enough to file a 1983 claim…"

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against the police officer and entity.

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Social Misfit who wants to coach Illinois women's basketball.

"Tiki's hatred confuses me. Never took Tiki for a Donald Trump fan."

Depending on how the state law interprets a county governments standing, it may be immune under 1983

Posted by ATL <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=ATL' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 16, 2024, 18:49:08, in reply to "From what I’ve seen, there is easily enough to file a 1983 claim…"

In some states, counties are organs of the state and therefore cannot be sued under 1983.

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against the police officer and entity.

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"For the regulated community, a FONSI represents happy days."

I was talking about filing suit against the police officer and the City of Lawrence

Posted by Ron McDon <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Ron+McDon' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 16, 2024, 19:26:13, in reply to "Depending on how the state law interprets a county governments standing, it may be immune under 1983"

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In some states, counties are organs of the state and therefore cannot be sued under 1983.

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against the police officer and entity.

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So there’s no physical evidence, there’s no reliable eyewitness, and the prosecutor

Posted by doubledown <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=doubledown' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 16, 2024, 16:21:28, in reply to "New update"

continues to withhold evidence that would help the defense

How is this still a case? What’s the thing where a judge rules that no jury could reasonably find the defendant guilty based on the facts? Sounds like this should be that.

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I think that’s what the hearing last week was for, and the judge allowed it to move forward*

Posted by OB25 <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=OB25' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 16, 2024, 16:34:44, in reply to "So there’s no physical evidence, there’s no reliable eyewitness, and the prosecutor "

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When something is happening, young people like to say it’s “lit.”

Sounds like a whole lot of small town cover-your-own jurisprudence.*

Posted by uofi1998 <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=uofi1998' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 16, 2024, 17:01:52, in reply to "I think that’s what the hearing last week was for, and the judge allowed it to move forward*"

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Coleman Hawkins, er, Ty MF Rodgers Stan Account

Some insane details in there.*

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Sanction the DA for violating the Brady rule and then fire her into the sun.*

Posted by Herman Blume <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Herman+Blume' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 16, 2024, 16:06:37, in reply to "New update"

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Yeah, if this is true she's making some really questionable decisions about moving forward with...

Posted by Illiniphil <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Illiniphil' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 16, 2024, 16:16:04, in reply to "Sanction the DA for violating the Brady rule and then fire her into the sun.*"

...this case.

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TSJ speaks!

Posted by jdl <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=jdl' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 14, 2024, 9:48:33, in reply to "TSJ hearing thread"

but not really saying much of course

Former Illinois guard Terrence Shannon Jr. was available to the media Tuesday at the 2024 NBA Draft combine — a first in nearly five months, as Shannon field questions about his ongoing court case and NBA future. #Illini https://t.co/q3lCW4AZZZ via @news_gazette & @srrichey
— IlliniHQ (@IlliniHQ) May 14, 2024

Pretty surprised no deal was reached, though I suppose there’s still time*

Posted by opossum jenkins <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=opossum+jenkins' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 11, 2024, 16:51:41, in reply to "TSJ hearing thread"

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Update: 1st break. No cell phones allowed during testimony. First witness was the alleged victim, M.N. The testimony went as expected but I will share updates later. The hearing is supposedly only going until noon. Not sure it will end today w/ everyone expected to testify. — Mitch Gilfillan (@mitchgilfillan) May 10, 2024 .

I would guess the DA has painted herself into a corner. Doubt he would plea to anything…

Posted by LeatherneckIllini <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=LeatherneckIllini' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 11, 2024, 17:25:21, in reply to "Pretty surprised no deal was reached, though I suppose there’s still time*"

that wasn’t a misdemeanor and didn’t carry any sexual offense reporting requirements.

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I don’t know, I feel like it getting this far has to be moving things in her direction, doesn’t it?

Posted by OB25 <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=OB25' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 14, 2024, 10:38:02, in reply to "I would guess the DA has painted herself into a corner. Doubt he would plea to anything…"

Flimsy case or not, is TSJ and his family willing to put his life in the hands of 12 Kansas jurors versus taking a plea? There’s no plea deal that isn’t also really bad for him though. Downside of going trial for her is that she loses another case which would be nothing new for her, seems like her career is already toast anyway. The downside for him in taking it to trial is much larger.

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that wasn’t a misdemeanor and didn’t carry any sexual offense reporting requirements.

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When something is happening, young people like to say it’s “lit.”

like clockwork*

Posted by suburbanmyth <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=suburbanmyth' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 16, 2024, 17:30:02, in reply to "I don’t know, I feel like it getting this far has to be moving things in her direction, doesn’t it?"

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that wasn’t a misdemeanor and didn’t carry any sexual offense reporting requirements.

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"Joe Biden is a child molester. You think he gives a #### about how his employees are treated?"

--not your father's republican party

ESPN's headline and article read poorly for TSJ. Daubert is written in

Posted by JacobRDaugherty <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=JacobRDaugherty' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 10, 2024, 23:22:23, in reply to "TSJ hearing thread"

The most leading way possible

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/40121045/ex-illinois-star-terrence-shannon-jr-stand-trial-felony-rape

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Imagine paying for a law degree and coming up with this thought

Posted by HamptonSki <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=HamptonSki' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 10, 2024, 19:04:07, in reply to "TSJ hearing thread"

https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/msg/1715359245.html

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PAY ATTENTION TO MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE*

Posted by Blazer <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Blazer' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 10, 2024, 19:05:24, in reply to "Imagine paying for a law degree and coming up with this thought"

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ha; i just opened this thread and saw his thirsty post below, not realizing that he...

Posted by suburbanmyth <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=suburbanmyth' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 11, 2024, 17:25:04, in reply to "PAY ATTENTION TO MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE*"

is so desperate for a W that he's dying on a hill that no one can prove or disprove.

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"Joe Biden is a child molester. You think he gives a #### about how his employees are treated?"

--not your father's republican party

The antisemite who thinks an open rape case wouldn’t prevent a guy from getting drafted?

I mean he probably paid six figures for that law degree.

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He's saved that much living rent free in your head. *

Posted by Tuscy <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Tuscy' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 11, 2024, 17:20:03, in reply to "The antisemite who thinks an open rape case wouldn’t prevent a guy from getting drafted?"

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I mean he probably paid six figures for that law degree.

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https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/msg/1715359245.html

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"I wouldn't mind the DP here." - jumpingdan

I mean, you already replied to his post in a thread with only 38 posts

Posted by Blazer <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Blazer' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 10, 2024, 23:47:41, in reply to "The antisemite who thinks an open rape case wouldn’t prevent a guy from getting drafted?"

Couldn’t stand that nobody noticed your reply after a whole hour, and then had to attention-whore yourself after the initial post was buried all of a half page below.

Really odd behavior man. All that’s missing is a fingering joke and a “So Illinois” dig at GMAW.

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I mean he probably paid six figures for that law degree.

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Trial set for June 10th (3 days), so before draft *

Posted by aimlessillini <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=aimlessillini' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 10, 2024, 12:30:43, in reply to "TSJ hearing thread"

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We'll never resolve the debate below. Trial set for June 10*

Posted by GMAW <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=GMAW' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 10, 2024, 12:30:19, in reply to "TSJ hearing thread"

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That seems quick, but I guess that's good news.

Posted by uofi1998 <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=uofi1998' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 10, 2024, 13:04:14, in reply to "We'll never resolve the debate below. Trial set for June 10*"

I can't help but think there's no way the rape charge sticks, but he gets stuck with the lesser charge... so if he's convicted of a (I think) misdemeanor, how does that impact his future?

My intuition is the only way he avoids the second charge is if his attorneys can demonstrate in court he never even touched this girl, and if memory serves, that's already been established.

I'm thinking it still precludes him from getting drafted.

Coleman Hawkins, er, Ty MF Rodgers Stan Account

How long would we expect the trial to take? That's only 16 days before the draft*

Posted by IlliniRunner <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=IlliniRunner' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 10, 2024, 12:49:27, in reply to "We'll never resolve the debate below. Trial set for June 10*"

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I hope if TSJ wins, the state won't appeal*

Posted by Potomac <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Potomac' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 10, 2024, 13:15:04, in reply to "How long would we expect the trial to take? That's only 16 days before the draft*"

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Appeal a not guilty verdict?

Posted by CanHartlebHireSnider <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=CanHartlebHireSnider' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 10, 2024, 13:23:48, in reply to "I hope if TSJ wins, the state won't appeal*"

Double jeopardy?

for criminal trials it’s an incredibly small window of things they can appeal. not so for defense*

Posted by LeatherneckIllini <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=LeatherneckIllini' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 10, 2024, 13:27:24, in reply to "Appeal a not guilty verdict?"

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Double jeopardy?

Well that sucks. Especially after they just dropped the charges against Arterio Morris

Posted by Chuck Woodaby <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Chuck+Woodaby' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 10, 2024, 11:46:33, in reply to "TSJ hearing thread"

A refresher on his allegations:

https://www.kansascity.com/sports/college/big-12/university-of-kansas/article280391134.html

And dropped:

https://www.kansascity.com/sports/college/big-12/university-of-kansas/article287531645.html

how much in legal fees will this whole adventure cost him?*

Posted by Potomac <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Potomac' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 10, 2024, 11:48:05, in reply to "Well that sucks. Especially after they just dropped the charges against Arterio Morris "

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Boo!

Posted by jdl <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=jdl' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 10, 2024, 11:19:05, in reply to "TSJ hearing thread"

BREAKING: Terrence Shannon Jr. has been bound over for jury trial as the court finds probable cause (a very low standard) does exist to move case to jury trial. The arraignment happened (waived) and a Not Guilty plea has been entered. Working on trial dates now.
— Mitch Gilfillan (@mitchgilfillan) May 10, 2024

Welp...

Posted by uofi1998 <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=uofi1998' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 10, 2024, 11:18:58, in reply to "TSJ hearing thread"

BREAKING: Terrence Shannon Jr. has been bound over for jury trial as the court finds probable cause (a very low standard) does exist to move case to jury trial. The arraignment happened (waived) and a Not Guilty plea has been entered. Working on trial dates now.
— Mitch Gilfillan (@mitchgilfillan) May 10, 2024

Coleman Hawkins, er, Ty MF Rodgers Stan Account

This effing DA*

Posted by Tooldresser <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Tooldresser' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 10, 2024, 12:45:35, in reply to "Welp..."

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BREAKING: Terrence Shannon Jr. has been bound over for jury trial as the court finds probable cause (a very low standard) does exist to move case to jury trial. The arraignment happened (waived) and a Not Guilty plea has been entered. Working on trial dates now. — Mitch Gilfillan (@mitchgilfillan) May 10, 2024 .

With his talent, would it be smart for an NBA to at least take a flier on him in the 2nd round

Posted by OWWDig <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=OWWDig' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 10, 2024, 12:23:04, in reply to "Welp..."

just to hold onto his rights while they see how the trial shakes out? Seems like a low risk proposition.

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Not a chance. He'll be a undrafted free agent signing if hes found innocent*

Posted by OrangeSox <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=OrangeSox' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 10, 2024, 12:58:38, in reply to "With his talent, would it be smart for an NBA to at least take a flier on him in the 2nd round"

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just to hold onto his rights while they see how the trial shakes out? Seems like a low risk proposition.

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bad PR*

Posted by Potomac <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Potomac' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 10, 2024, 12:34:05, in reply to "With his talent, would it be smart for an NBA to at least take a flier on him in the 2nd round"

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just to hold onto his rights while they see how the trial shakes out? Seems like a low risk proposition.

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Maybe. But it's a business and "innocent until proven guility"*

Posted by OWWDig <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=OWWDig' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 10, 2024, 12:38:44, in reply to "bad PR*"

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just to hold onto his rights while they see how the trial shakes out? Seems like a low risk proposition.

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Probably moot now, but drafting a guy with a pending trial that is eventually proven guilty =

update your resume.

Yea, I get it. But I still feel like with what we know, I can't see him convicted.*

Posted by OWWDig <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=OWWDig' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 10, 2024, 12:44:44, in reply to "Probably moot now, but drafting a guy with a pending trial that is eventually proven guilty = "

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update your resume.

Good way for a GM to get fired.*

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just to hold onto his rights while they see how the trial shakes out? Seems like a low risk proposition.

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I could see a team like Philly or Miami drafting him in the late 40s early 50's*

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just to hold onto his rights while they see how the trial shakes out? Seems like a low risk proposition.

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Right...I'm talking about a late flier*

Posted by OWWDig <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=OWWDig' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 10, 2024, 12:39:09, in reply to "I could see a team like Philly or Miami drafting him in the late 40s early 50's*"

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just to hold onto his rights while they see how the trial shakes out? Seems like a low risk proposition.

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Is he completely out of eligibility?*

Posted by Mrap24 <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Mrap24' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 10, 2024, 12:03:55, in reply to "Welp..."

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"I believe that I might have one more year of NCAA eligibility, but given what I think is my current

draft position (if I'm permitted to play again), now is the time to graduate, go pro, and make my family and university proud in the NBA."

So maybe has a year?

Are we saying there’s a chance he pulls out of the draft and plays for Illinois next year?

Posted by meanjeans <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=meanjeans' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 10, 2024, 19:02:38, in reply to ""I believe that I might have one more year of NCAA eligibility, but given what I think is my current"

That seems like… maybe the smartest move for him at this point?

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draft position (if I'm permitted to play again), now is the time to graduate, go pro, and make my family and university proud in the NBA."

So maybe has a year?

BLAM, there's my opinion people - behold

I think that was assume he didn’t play again this year but even that seemed like a fantasy.*

Posted by OB25 <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=OB25' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 10, 2024, 12:15:39, in reply to ""I believe that I might have one more year of NCAA eligibility, but given what I think is my current"

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draft position (if I'm permitted to play again), now is the time to graduate, go pro, and make my family and university proud in the NBA."

So maybe has a year?

When something is happening, young people like to say it’s “lit.”

Won't be drafted now*

Posted by bjl63 <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=bjl63' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 10, 2024, 11:19:28, in reply to "Welp..."

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That seems obvious to me, too, but plenty of people here told me I was wrong*

Posted by GMAW <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=GMAW' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 10, 2024, 11:30:42, in reply to "Won't be drafted now*"

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if he doesn't get drafted, it won't be because of this.

Posted by suburbanmyth <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=suburbanmyth' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 10, 2024, 11:40:45, in reply to "That seems obvious to me, too, but plenty of people here told me I was wrong*"

i was always worried that he was too old.

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"Joe Biden is a child molester. You think he gives a #### about how his employees are treated?"

--not your father's republican party

LOL. Stick to politics*

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i was always worried that he was too old.

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you mocked me when i said he'd play again this year; you mocked me when i said we'd be a 3 seed

and now you're spiking the football over an unprovable claim?

perfect for a coward.

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i was always worried that he was too old.

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"Joe Biden is a child molester. You think he gives a #### about how his employees are treated?"

--not your father's republican party

It’s both. He’s too old to get another bite at it. But without this his play would’ve at least…

Posted by uofi1998 <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=uofi1998' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 10, 2024, 12:45:10, in reply to "if he doesn't get drafted, it won't be because of this."

…put him in the 2nd round.

Coleman Hawkins, er, Ty MF Rodgers Stan Account

In December he was slotted as a first round pick. Of course it’s the reason he won’t be drafted.*

Posted by Carl Spackler <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Carl+Spackler' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 10, 2024, 11:49:11, in reply to "if he doesn't get drafted, it won't be because of this."

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i was always worried that he was too old.

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98% this. 2% Uconn game.*

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i was always worried that he was too old.

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Yeah, it's basically a life-ruiner for him.

Posted by uofi1998 <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=uofi1998' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 10, 2024, 11:22:30, in reply to "Won't be drafted now*"

At his age, the NBA-career recovery from missing out on the draft is very, very difficult.

Obviously, since he's our guy, I'm "rooting" for him, but this situation just makes me feel all kinds of gross.

Coleman Hawkins, er, Ty MF Rodgers Stan Account

#FreeTSJ*

Posted by illini21 <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=illini21' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 10, 2024, 10:54:43, in reply to "TSJ hearing thread"

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