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Gerrymandering, still fucking hate it

Posted by reggiedunlop <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=reggiedunlop' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on July 30, 2025, 10:35:44

It's going to get real fucking ugly soon. The number of competitive elections is going to be miniscule.

NEW: as expected, TX Republicans unveil a 30R-8D gerrymander (up from 25R-13D today) that puts Reps. Henry Cuellar (D) and Vicente Gonzalez (D) in double-digit Trump districts and axes one Dem seat each in DFW, Houston & Austin/San Antonio. pic.twitter.com/WRRKgsHA4C
— Dave Wasserman (@Redistrict) July 30, 2025

I love it. Can’t get enough.*

Posted by Tortillini <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Tortillini' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on July 30, 2025, 14:54:45, in reply to "Gerrymandering, still fucking hate it"

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It's going to get real fucking ugly soon. The number of competitive elections is going to be miniscule.

NEW: as expected, TX Republicans unveil a 30R-8D gerrymander (up from 25R-13D today) that puts Reps. Henry Cuellar (D) and Vicente Gonzalez (D) in double-digit Trump districts and axes one Dem seat each in DFW, Houston & Austin/San Antonio. pic.twitter.com/WRRKgsHA4C — Dave Wasserman (@Redistrict) July 30, 2025 .

lol*

Posted by reggiedunlop <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=reggiedunlop' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on July 30, 2025, 15:51:35, in reply to "I love it. Can’t get enough.*"

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Brits take on gerrymandering

Posted by ATL <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=ATL' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on July 30, 2025, 12:49:22, in reply to "Gerrymandering, still fucking hate it"

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“We are old and tired and just want to be taken care of.” - Republican voter, Dec. 2024.

that was like an adult version of Schoolhouse Rock

Posted by bbonb <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=bbonb' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on July 30, 2025, 13:45:41, in reply to "Brits take on gerrymandering "

and my simple mind enjoyed it

Map Men is a great follow on YouTube. Another banger:

Posted by ATL <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=ATL' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on July 30, 2025, 15:37:24, in reply to "that was like an adult version of Schoolhouse Rock"

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“We are old and tired and just want to be taken care of.” - Republican voter, Dec. 2024.

From the country that gave us rotten and pocket boroughs*

Posted by CanHartlebHireSnider <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=CanHartlebHireSnider' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on July 30, 2025, 13:01:08, in reply to "Brits take on gerrymandering "

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and now TX Dems are planning to flee the state so that Pubs don’t have a quorum

Posted by bbonb <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=bbonb' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on July 30, 2025, 12:33:47, in reply to "Gerrymandering, still fucking hate it"

to vote on the redistricting

We are now officially a country ruled by petulant children

"now"?*

Posted by VIV <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=VIV' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on July 30, 2025, 12:39:02, in reply to "and now TX Dems are planning to flee the state so that Pubs don’t have a quorum "

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to vote on the redistricting

We are now officially a country ruled by petulant children

"the sum value of my outfit will always be higher than yours."

I'm assuming you've been bbonb'ed....

Posted by KingTalkyTiki <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=KingTalkyTiki' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on July 30, 2025, 12:41:18, in reply to ""now"?*"

Not even he could be that purposely obtuse.

"Speak for yourself in life. And don’t be a follower of people like Tiki because you think it makes you look cool. It really doesn’t."

"I'm thinking about engaging a lawyer."

Yes but remember IL is just as bad. It’s not only a GOP thing*

Posted by bjl63 <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=bjl63' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on July 30, 2025, 11:16:54, in reply to "Gerrymandering, still fucking hate it"

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Not so fast

Posted by TarheelIllini <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=TarheelIllini' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on July 30, 2025, 14:30:05, in reply to "Yes but remember IL is just as bad. It’s not only a GOP thing*"

Recrudescence

if Illinois isn't on the list, i question the list.

Posted by VIV <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=VIV' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on July 30, 2025, 14:36:18, in reply to "Not so fast"

princeton has a pretty good map

https://gerrymander.princeton.edu/redistricting-report-card/

"the sum value of my outfit will always be higher than yours."

My map has 10, yours has 15. Illinois could be from 11-15 on mine and not be listed*

Posted by TarheelIllini <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=TarheelIllini' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on July 30, 2025, 19:28:33, in reply to "if Illinois isn't on the list, i question the list. "

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princeton has a pretty good map

https://gerrymander.princeton.edu/redistricting-report-card/

Recrudescence

I lived in northern Champaign County until very recently.

Posted by Memlie <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Memlie' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on July 30, 2025, 12:06:37, in reply to "Yes but remember IL is just as bad. It’s not only a GOP thing*"

My drive to Urbana usually took about 15 minutes and I passed through three congressional districts - 2, 15 and 13.

Seriously, can you redistrict more often than once every ten years?

Posted by osklister <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=osklister' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on July 30, 2025, 11:37:27, in reply to "Yes but remember IL is just as bad. It’s not only a GOP thing*"

I had no idea that it was possible.

Seems to be a reputable (semi even-handed) website:

MAP MOVES: Gov. JB Pritzker scolded Texas Republicans and President Donald Trump this week for their brazen attempts to redraw congressional maps in the Lone Star State with the goal of giving GOP candidates an even cushier ride to Washington.

No cheating: That the president is “encouraging Texas — and Texas being willing to do this — should be an indicator to the rest of us that if they’re going to cheat, that that’s not a proper way to act,” Pritzker said at an unrelated news conference. “I think we ought to play by the rules. Everybody.”

Illinois Republicans did a spit take. “It’s rich that the governor now claims to support playing by the rules — after he enthusiastically signed into law the most gerrymandered maps in the nation,” said Illinois House Minority Leader Tony McCombie.

“Phony” and “disingenuous” is how state Rep. Ryan Spain, the deputy minority leader, put it.

The backstory: In 2021, when Democrats worried the House might slip from their grasp, Illinois Democrats approached redistricting with surgical precision — eliminating two Republican congressional seats and reinforcing their own fortress in D.C.

How it changed: Illinois, which lost a seat due to population changes, went from having 13 Democrats and five Republicans in Congress to 14 Democrats and three Republicans.

This week, Pritzker left open the possibility of more map tweaking. Asked if Illinois would try to “counterbalance” what Texas might do, Pritzker said: “We have to see what they decide to do about Texas.”

We reached out to lawmakers on the redistricting committee to see if there’s any appetite for another round of map-making. No one responded. And a spokesman for Senate President Don Harmon told Capitol News’ Ben Szalinski, “That’s not something we’re pursuing.”

Redistricting “overreach” can be a risk, says Ryan Tolley, executive director of CHANGE Illinois, which supports fair mapping. He pointed to how Illinois lawmakers also carved up state legislative districts in southern Illinois, with the goal of favoring Democratic incumbents LaToya Greenwood and Jay Hoffman.

But the outcome backfired. Greenwood lost.

“Democrats run the risk of creating thin margin districts. The big question would be whether they could pick up a seat,” Tolley said. And if they don’t, “they could end up hurting more than helping.”

That might not stop Democrats, however. One political strategist we talked to acknowledged, “There’s always more you can do,” a reminder that gerrymandering is a bipartisan blood sport that’s never really over.

https://www.politico.com/newsletters/illinois-playbook/2025/07/24/pritzkers-gerrymander-jab-draws-fire-00473441

Illinois connects downstate communities of interest

Posted by jfinsocal <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=jfinsocal' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on July 30, 2025, 11:26:04, in reply to "Yes but remember IL is just as bad. It’s not only a GOP thing*"

South and Central Peoria has more in common with Moline, Bloomington, and West Rockford than it does with freaking Tazewell County for example. The lines look weird but they provide more equitable representation.

It's not like Tennessee where they split up Nashville three ways with East Nashville now represented by someone from Cookeville.

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Dems have to do it unfortunately. It's become an arms race and, if you don't play, you lose

Posted by reggiedunlop <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=reggiedunlop' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on July 30, 2025, 11:18:33, in reply to "Yes but remember IL is just as bad. It’s not only a GOP thing*"

Pretty confident Dems would do independent commissions at all states if they could.

i don't buy that. the D party is just as power hungry as the R party. *

Posted by VIV <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=VIV' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on July 30, 2025, 12:59:44, in reply to "Dems have to do it unfortunately. It's become an arms race and, if you don't play, you lose"

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Pretty confident Dems would do independent commissions at all states if they could.

"the sum value of my outfit will always be higher than yours."

R's weaponize it, Dems react to that. There is a reason only certain states have Independent

Posted by reggiedunlop <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=reggiedunlop' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on July 30, 2025, 13:36:25, in reply to "i don't buy that. the D party is just as power hungry as the R party. *"

Commissions.

Same concept as the Republic Voter ID laws, see this famous quote from the North Carolina court overturning that one:

A federal appeals court decisively struck down North Carolina’s voter identification law on Friday, saying its provisions deliberately “target African-Americans with almost surgical precision” in an effort to depress black turnout at the polls.

That’s correct but in the case of gerrymandering, the key democratic states have mostly adopted

Posted by ATL <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=ATL' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on July 30, 2025, 13:19:57, in reply to "i don't buy that. the D party is just as power hungry as the R party. *"

nonpartisan redistricting panels (IL is an exception I believe). Not to mention the suite of other disenfranchising actions by Republicans across the board.

So yes, both parties are seeking to gain or hold onto power. Republicans are several notches ahead of Democrats in their affirmative steps to do so by reducing the voting power of groups that they don’t favor.

“We are old and tired and just want to be taken care of.” - Republican voter, Dec. 2024.

Yeah, dont conflate incompetence with disinterest*

Posted by ISeeDeadHawkeyes <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=ISeeDeadHawkeyes' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on July 30, 2025, 13:04:27, in reply to "i don't buy that. the D party is just as power hungry as the R party. *"

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Pretty confident Dems would do independent commissions at all states if they could.

DING*

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Pretty confident Dems would do independent commissions at all states if they could.

"Speak for yourself in life. And don’t be a follower of people like Tiki because you think it makes you look cool. It really doesn’t."

"I'm thinking about engaging a lawyer."

And such an easy solution to it mathematically*

Posted by Chilango <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Chilango' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on July 30, 2025, 11:14:56, in reply to "Gerrymandering, still fucking hate it"

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lol, TX 13th District runs from the DFW suburbs all the way west to the state line

Posted by bbonb <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=bbonb' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on July 30, 2025, 11:08:07, in reply to "Gerrymandering, still fucking hate it"

> 40,000 square miles. Bigger than all of Indiana.

And, it’s not even the biggest district in TX

yeah, this state ain’t turning blue anytime soon

It’s an abomination. *

Posted by uofi1998 <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=uofi1998' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on July 30, 2025, 11:03:33, in reply to "Gerrymandering, still fucking hate it"

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You hear me talking, hillbilly boy?

outlawing gerrymandering is something i'd change on day 1 if i were president.

Posted by VIV <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=VIV' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on July 30, 2025, 10:55:58, in reply to "Gerrymandering, still fucking hate it"

it's fucking despicable.

representation needs to be tied to the real ratio of voters via an independent commission.

and preemptively "oh, you wouldn't say the same when CA, IL, or NY do it." yes i fucking would.

"the sum value of my outfit will always be higher than yours."

In theory i agree 100% but as mentioned before i think this is basically impossible

Posted by John Coctostan <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=John+Coctostan' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on July 30, 2025, 11:56:58, in reply to "outlawing gerrymandering is something i'd change on day 1 if i were president. "

Who appoints the ‘independent’ commissions? To think that won’t be 100% politicized on day 1 is naive i think. I just don’t know what a workable, sustainable, non-politicized option is

it would have to be more reasonable than this*

Posted by VIV <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=VIV' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on July 30, 2025, 12:39:36, in reply to "In theory i agree 100% but as mentioned before i think this is basically impossible"

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Who appoints the ‘independent’ commissions? To think that won’t be 100% politicized on day 1 is naive i think. I just don’t know what a workable, sustainable, non-politicized option is

"the sum value of my outfit will always be higher than yours."

100% agree*

Posted by jjlocke923 <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=jjlocke923' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on July 30, 2025, 11:04:13, in reply to "outlawing gerrymandering is something i'd change on day 1 if i were president. "

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Proud Winner of the 2024 Deuce ROY Award

Apparently presidents can do whatever they want now, so feel free.

Posted by uofi1998 <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=uofi1998' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on July 30, 2025, 11:03:10, in reply to "outlawing gerrymandering is something i'd change on day 1 if i were president. "

Whether it’s gerrymandering or grabbing them by the… bra strap.

You hear me talking, hillbilly boy?

Fuck Texas, forever and always.*

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"Speak for yourself in life. And don’t be a follower of people like Tiki because you think it makes you look cool. It really doesn’t."

"I'm thinking about engaging a lawyer."

CA and NY better follow suit. I know Big Boy JB already put the screws to the IL GOP.*

Posted by Warrin'_Illini $<iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Warrin\'_Illini' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'>$ on July 30, 2025, 10:39:13, in reply to "Gerrymandering, still fucking hate it"

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Calendar time for Buddy!

CA has an independent commission, so we will see how far they want to go

Posted by reggiedunlop <iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=reggiedunlop' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on July 30, 2025, 10:43:56, in reply to "CA and NY better follow suit. I know Big Boy JB already put the screws to the IL GOP.*"

not sure how much more lopsided you can get.

NY got shot down by their top court last go-around, although I think they have a plan to fix this.

So stupid that we have an arms race for this.

Gruesome Newsom has talked a big game about it, let's hope he can follow through.*

Posted by Warrin'_Illini $<iframe src='https://mb.boardhost.com/TheDeuce/info/user=Warrin\'_Illini' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'>$ on July 30, 2025, 10:48:51, in reply to "CA has an independent commission, so we will see how far they want to go"

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not sure how much more lopsided you can get. NY got shot down by their top court last go-around, although I think they have a plan to fix this.

So stupid that we have an arms race for this.

Calendar time for Buddy!

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