on August 21, 2021, 11:18 pm, in reply to "Princess Diana's sapphire and diamond choker new information "
One is never really sure of the true ownership of the royal family jewels as both privately owned/ held and state jewels are all under one guise that being the Crown Jewels or Royal Collection.
It is believed that QM passed on most of her jewels to her granddaughter the present Queen in an personal capacity but the Queen seemingly treats to her private jewels as state property held in trust by her to be passed down to her successor.
I have said that it could be for insurance purposes but then I am told that the Royal Collection is beyond insurance as its true value cannot be established or estimated.
Is an annual insurance paid to cover the royal collection? And if so how is a division made between state jewels and private jewels if they are all under the same Royal Collection guise?
If the late QEQM gived a gift and it was her own personal property then I would have believed it would have returned to her keep as she was still alive after the divorce and death of the late DPoW.
The mere fact that it is said that it was returned to the Royal vaults could indicate that it may have been a state gift or a jewel held in the QEQM possession but having come via a previous Monarch or Consort to a Monarch.
Remember the QEQM held onto to the state rubies although they were to be had by the reigning Monarch the present Queen, and the astounding Greville Emerald tiara was only seen a few years ago via her great granddaughter Princess Eugene's wedding. That tiara is now in the present Queen's possession via direct or Monarch to Monarch inheritance.
So in essence what I am supposing is that it is possible that the state rubies were not the only jewels held onto by the late QEQM and as a Queen Mother she may of had the privilege to pass on state gifts to an incoming inlaw to the family.
Am I to believe that the middle eastern gifts presented as engagement or wedding gifts were also returned to the Royal Collection as state gifts if they were given in a personal capacity as wedding gifts.
How could they be seen as state gifts if the late DPoW was not preforming a state duty, or was she by marring the heir to the British throne and the gifts considered state gifts?
The reports are there that PW presented his mom's sapphire engagement ring to his wife the now DoCam from her personal collection of jewels, so this means that were the couple to divorce the said ring would then have to return to a probable King William or George. And if the Sussexs were to go their separate ways then is their a codicil as to what happens to any jewels which may have come via the late DPoW.
Just my thoughts.
Dave
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British Royal Jewels in instagram has given new information about Princess Diana's sapphire and diamond choker.
He has been informed by reliable source that the jewel was one of the pieces returned to The Queen after Princess Diana’s death.
It is not a surprise as it was written in the settlement of the divorce that all jewels given to Princess Diana by the British royal family should come back to the vault.
This information gives us an interesting view of the fate of the jewels worn by Princess Diana during her life. We can understand why many famous jewels worn by Princess Diana are not currently worn by her daughters in laws.
It also raises the question of the fate of the jewels given to her by officials...certainly in the vault.
I. Jewels return to the vault (QEII) :
a. The Cambridge Lovers’ knot tiara;
b. Diamond and emerald art-deco choker;
c. The Swiss Federal republic’s watch ;
d. The pearl and diamond earrings (as a wedding gift from QEII) ;
e. The family royal order;
f. Large sapphire and diamond brooch converted in a necklace (wedding gift from Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother)
II. Jewels worn by the Duchess of Cornwall:
a. The Prince of Wales feathers’ diamond and emerald pendant (engagement present from Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother – Return to the vault and maybe worn by the Duchess of Cornwall)
III. Jewels worn by the Duchess of Cambridge:
a. Her sapphire and diamond engagement ring;
b. Collingwood diamond and pearl dangle earrings;
c. A diamond and south sea pearl earrings;
d. Pearls a from ruby, diamond and pearl earrings;
e. A triple-row pearl and diamond spacer bracelet (bought be Princess Diana in 1989)
f. A four-row pearl bracelet worn at the state diner by by Queen Beatrix of Netherlands in 1982 (Maybe on loan from QEII);
IV. Jewels worn by the Duchess of Sussex:
a. Emerald-cut aquamarine ring;
b. A diamond Tennis Bracelet from Cartier;
c. Gold and Sapphire bracelet;
d. Diamond and Sapphire Butterfly Earrings -made from an unknown gold disk with stones + diamond motifs worn once in 1985;
e. A cartier tank française watch;
f. Two small diamonds;
V. Jewels given by princess Diana during her life :
a. A sapphire and gold necklace with the Prince of Wales feathers as a pendant from the National Association of Goldsmiths and designed by Lexi Dick; earrings to match (Wedding gift);
b. A gold and cross necklace (for a charity Event in September 1997 Canceled)
VI. Jewels on loan (Not including from QEII and her mother) :
a. The spencer tiara;
b. The swan Lake pearl and diamond necklace + earrings;
c. A large amethyst and diamond cross pendant (on loan from Garrard);
VII. Jewels currently unworn
a. Wedding gifts:
i. Diamond and emerald art deco bracelet as a wedding gift + earrings (gift from prince Charles) + an emerald ring also a gift from Prince Charles;
ii. The Saudi Arabian diamond and sapphire suite;
iii. The Gold choker with pearl fringe and multi-gemstone necklace from the Crown Prince and Crown Princess of Jordan (Including a central emerald, turquoise, amethyst, coral, pearl and diamond);
iv. A set of jewellery crafted from coral and gold from the heir Apparent of the State of Qatar;
v. A diamond watch (Lady Kalla watch);
vi. A five-row pearl bracelet with a diamond flower clasp (wedding gift from the UAE);
b. Personal gifts:
i. The double strand pearl, gold and diamond bead necklace with a central diamond heart (bought by Princess Diana in 1982);
c. Official gifts:
i. The Oman sapphire and diamond demi-parure;
ii. The diamond and sapphire tassel necklace – Gift from The Emir of Qatar;
iii. The Saudi Arabian ruby and diamond demi-parure;
d. Gifts with unknown provenance:
i. Emerald and diamond demi-parure (necklace and earrings);
ii. The six-row pearl choker with a large pearl surrounded by diamond + earrings (mostly on loan from QEII);
iii. A seven-strand pearl choker with diamond and ruby spacers;
iv. Ruby and diamond necklace worn only once in Venice;
v. An amethyst and diamond demi-suite;
vi. Aquamarine and diamond demi-parure (comprising dangle earrings and a bracelet;
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