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Queen Mary Pearl necklaces Posted by Dave on March 20, 2022, 11:01 am I was wondering about the many pearl necklaces seen on Queen Mary. They are very profound,look extremely regal and the pearls large. Pearls are known to fetch much more than diamonds especially the natural one and ones of Royal provenance. https://pin.it/2Agak2g Regards, Dave.

Re: Queen Mary "coronation portraits" Posted by Bryce on March 20, 2022, 12:09 pm, in reply to "Queen Mary Pearl necklaces " Dave I cannot really speak to your question about QM's pearls, but your post intrigued me greatly. I do not ever remember seeing this "Queen Alexandra-ish" coronation portrait of Queen Mary - with too many jewels to count along with all those ropes of pearls. So I did a quick image search and was astounded as what is being posted as "coronation portraits"...there are so many variations. Even if you pare out the Durbar posts - there is a lot of variety. My guess is they did some extra sittings - but not exact replications. My question is - Do we know which one is actually correct? (i.e. worn in the Abbey)

Re: Queen Mary "coronation portraits" Posted by Beth on March 20, 2022, 12:29 pm, in reply to "Re: Queen Mary "coronation portraits"" I think that is an amazing mock up, a composition of Queen Mary's head,some of Queen Alexandra's jewels and some of Queen Mary's. There are genuine official portraits of Queen Mary. I post a few in a few minutes.

Re: Queen Mary "coronation portraits" Posted by Dave on March 20, 2022, 12:45 pm, in reply to "Re: Queen Mary "coronation portraits"" Beth, are we sure QM could have worn her coronation robes and the pearls to say an opening of Parliament or an Order of the Garter service? Regards, Dave. Previous Message I think that is an amazing mock up, a composition of Queen Mary's head,some of Queen Alexandra's jewels and some of Queen Mary's. There are genuine official portraits of Queen Mary. I post a few in a few minutes.

Re: Queen Mary "coronation portraits" Posted by 992234177 on March 20, 2022, 1:14 pm, in reply to "Re: Queen Mary "coronation portraits"" I think it’s a montage. The draped pearls hang in too round a shape and the pearls around her neck are too perfectly placed. Also the Medici collar is a Queen Alexandra thing not Queen Mary. The crown is correct for QM (QA’s crown is rounded at the time whereas QM’s is more pointed). I would guess it was done after she became Queen when there were few gala images of her so they put a head on QA and added some pearls. The royal order of Victoria and Albert seem legit. Queen Mary Coronation Dress Edit Looking at it again I think it might be a real photograph portrait of Queen Mary that has had; crown, Medici collar, necklaces, brooches and swags, robe and over sleeves added to it. Take a look at this humdinger

Re: Queen Mary "coronation portraits" Posted by Dave on March 20, 2022, 1:38 pm, in reply to "Re: Queen Mary "coronation portraits"" This is why I posted it 992234177 because of the officialdom of name and title bearing at the bottom of the photo because I said it must be real and official but who knows; this age of technology can make anything look real. Regards, Dave. Previous Message I think it’s a montage. The draped pearls hang in too round a shape and the pearls around her neck are too perfectly placed. Also the Medici collar is a Queen Alexandra thing not Queen Mary. The crown is correct for QM (QA’s crown is rounded at the time whereas QM’s is more pointed). I would guess it was done after she became Queen when there were few gala images of her so they put a head on QA and added some pearls Queen Mary Coronation Dress Edit Looking at it again I think it might be a real photograph portrait of Queen Mary that has had; crown, Medici collar, necklaces, brooches and swags, robe and over sleeves added to it.

Re: Queen Mary "coronation portraits" Posted by 992234177 on March 21, 2022, 6:54 am, in reply to "Re: Queen Mary "coronation portraits"" I don’t think it’s an official image, it might have been mocked up for a photographer to sell or maybe for a special edition of a newspaper, but it could have been done for any part of the empire, not necessarily the UK. I think it must be contemporary because the image manipulation looks right. Is it possibly she might be wearing her Ladies of England Tiara that was broken up in 1913 as a necklace? I also think that the dress is a bit old fashioned for 1910 but the face looks right.

Re: Queen Mary "coronation portraits" Posted by Dave on March 23, 2022, 12:40 pm, in reply to "Re: Queen Mary "coronation portraits"" That picture still has me enveloped, and it's just because if it's a made up picture the person who did it must be very very good. The person has been able to place the necklace QM received as I think a wedding gift among all those other ropes of pearls and I believe diamond necklaces. It looks official and it's not that hard to imagine QM adorned like that knowing the character she was with a penchant for all things jewels. Regards, Dave. Previous Message I think that is an amazing mock up, a composition of Queen Mary's head,some of Queen Alexandra's jewels and some of Queen Mary's. There are genuine official portraits of Queen Mary. I post a few in a few minutes.

Re: Queen Mary "coronation portraits" Posted by Dave on March 20, 2022, 12:38 pm, in reply to "Re: Queen Mary "coronation portraits"" Bryce, I am on the same opinion. But listen I came across another photo in a link I wanted to post of the said QM in a pearl necklace looking close to her mother in law's one given by her dad the king of Denmark and I saved/ copied the link but I gather it was not copied because when I went to post it the link was not there, but I was totally bowled over by what I came across. I don't know if it is a mock up but shouldn't they post some disclaimer stating this? Regards, Dave. Previous Message Dave I cannot really speak to your question about QM's pearls, but your post intrigued me greatly. I do not ever remember seeing this "Queen Alexandra-ish" coronation portrait of Queen Mary - with too many jewels to count along with all those ropes of pearls. So I did a quick image search and was astounded as what is being posted as "coronation portraits"...there are so many variations. Even if you pare out the Durbar posts - there is a lot of variety. My guess is they did some extra sittings - but not exact replications. My question is - Do we know which one is actually correct? (i.e. worn in the Abbey)

Re: Queen Mary "coronation portraits" Posted by Beth on March 20, 2022, 1:01 pm, in reply to "Re: Queen Mary "coronation portraits"" People never post disclaimers. That would spoil their fun! These images are all "official" They come from the Royal Collection site. Inside the Abbey before the Annointing & Coronation An official photo taken after the Coronation Queen Mary sat for this "study" sometime after the coronation.It was for a painting, and so she is not wearing all the jewels or the crown. Two paintings

Re: Queen Mary "coronation portraits" Posted by Bryce on March 21, 2022, 5:41 am, in reply to "Re: Queen Mary "coronation portraits"" It would appear as though photos by W&D Downey are the "authentic" coronation portraits. I am still trying to determine QM's jewels. Obviously she is wearing her, specially made coronation crown (as opposed to Queen Alexandra's as seen in some montages)(or the Delhi Durbar Tiara as some photos denote). Cullinan IV is mounted on the band with the Koh-i-Nor diamond mounted in the front cross pathee and Cullinan III is mounted in the cross atop the monde. [Edited per PaulP correction] I think she is wearing QV's Diamond Stud Earrings. She seems to be wearing nine rows (yes - 9) of collet diamond necklaces - the last one may be QV's Coronation Necklace as it has the large pendant hanging from it (although it could have been added to a different necklace). It seems as though she is wearing the full Cockade Brooch (as QA had done) - albeit with the side moved higher towards the center - with what may be QV's Coronation Earrings as pendants on each side. She is wearing a stomacher - but it is hard to tell from some of the photographs what exactly it is. In the painted portrait - the stomacher is shown as QV's three Bow Brooches. However, I think that, looking at other photos, she is in fact wearing her Lovers Knot Brooch and then QV's 3 Bow Brooches. The painting also shows her wearing her Garter band around her arm - but none of the photographs show the Garter. On each wrist QM wears one multi-strand diamond (or pearl) bracelets - each with a portrait or plaque of some sort. Maybe the King William and Queen Adelaide Buckles?? She wears the Consort's Coronation Ring on her right ring finger and one or two rings (possibly her wedding rings) on her left ring finger. Let me know your thoughts as I am just taking my "best guess" based on the available pictures.

Re: Queen Mary "coronation portraits" Posted by PaulP, on March 24, 2022, 8:13 pm, in reply to "Re: Queen Mary "coronation portraits"" Small correction to your Queen Mary crown description Bryce. For the 1911 coronation Cullinan I was placed in the Sovereign's scepter, and Cullinan II in the Imperial State Crown. Queen Mary's crown had Cullinan IV placed at the front of the band, Koh-i-Nûr diamond at the front cross, and Cullinan III placed on cross at the top of the diamond monde. https://www.rct.uk/collection/31704/queen-marys-crown

Clearer version of the photo Posted by The Royal Watcher on March 24, 2022, 1:35 am, in reply to "Queen Mary Pearl necklaces " I just found this clearer version of the photo, in which it seems the jewels and other details are drawn on an existing photograph. Marlene A. Eilers Koenig collection

Re: Clearer version of the photo Posted by Dave on March 24, 2022, 2:29 am, in reply to "Clearer version of the photo" Thank you The Royal Watcher. I can now see it is not authentic but it is a very convincing try. I wonder if the person who drew on the other jewels to the existing photo pictured QM in this way or actually saw her adorned this way and wanted to recreate it. Regards, Dave. Previous Message I just found this clearer version of the photo, in which it seems the jewels and other details are drawn on an existing photograph. Marlene A. Eilers Koenig collection

Re: Clearer version of the photo Posted by Beth on March 24, 2022, 8:33 pm, in reply to "Re: Clearer version of the photo" Dave, I very much doubt if Queen Mary would have looped pearls across her dress like that. I don't think we have ever seen anything like that in other photos. Nor have I seen press reports suggesting that style of wearing her pearls. That style was very much part of Queen Alexandra's image. Queen Mary definitely would not have worn the lace style collar. After the coronation Queen Mary wore her crown without the arches.

Re: Clearer version of the photo Posted by 992234177 on March 25, 2022, 2:09 am, in reply to "Re: Clearer version of the photo" It looks to me as if dress is real Head is real Earrings are real Orders are real Perhaps upper necklace under neck is real Chair is real The rest, Crown, Jewels, oversleeves, collar, robes, swags, brooches, even gloves are fake

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