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Extreme Elite 16U National

Posted by Wondering on November 8, 2024, 8:29 am

Does anyone have any feedback or could share their experience with the organization? They have openings posted for Outfielder and Catcher.

Re: Extreme Elite 16U National

Posted by Chris M on November 14, 2024, 9:06 am, in reply to "Extreme Elite 16U National"

I am a parent on the EE 16U team. Including my first name and last initial are included. I would prefer my last name not be indexed by some bot, but all you GC hawks could easily find that out.

We played a competitive schedule this fall, and of course, every athlete on the team wishes they had performed better at times. Everyone knew what they were getting into, we knew it would be a tough at times. Every team and family has a decision to make on how they want their experience to be; we chose a road that, at times, was going to provide some challenges, and I’m perfectly good with that, and I believe others on the team are as well. If we’re going to be judged for that and people will look at that as a bad thing, because of our avg, then I’m sorry you feel that way; I can’t help you there.

What I do know is that each of these kids has been in at OGX working their asses off the week right after our last tournament. There was no break, they got back into the gym and did not accept the fall as the final destination. This team will be better. There is absolutely no doubt about that.

This whole thing is a rat race, and I get the emotions that run high, but for the love of God, focus on your own kid getting better. When you start comparing your kid or team to another, discontent will set in, and it will become a miserable experience. There is only a limited amount of time they get to play the game.

Re: Extreme Elite 16U National

Posted by Parent on November 9, 2024, 5:13 pm, in reply to "Extreme Elite 16U National"

My daughter has loved the team so far. Coaching and training is excellent. Great group of girls.

Re: Extreme Elite 16U National

Posted by Parent on November 9, 2024, 9:52 am, in reply to "Extreme Elite 16U National"

Great program with amazing coaches. Workout at OGX included in team costs and they establish personalized workouts for each athlete. Coach is a former D1 player and coach with lots of connections.

Re: Extreme Elite 16U National

Posted by BeenThereDoneThat on November 9, 2024, 8:47 pm, in reply to "Re: Extreme Elite 16U National"

Parent must be on the team and drinking the kool-aid.

Extreme Elite used to be Orland Park As. The A’s organization used to be a great organization and then Krista Stoker talked the powers that be into letting her run the organization and that was the beginning of the end. She ran the organization into the ground but surely milked everything she could to keep S2 Breakthrough/OGX a float in the meantime. The best part of all of this is when the A’s moved to Extreme Elite we all eventually found out that Extreme Elite is ran by her brother. So all this time the A’s and Extreme Elite teams have been paying OGX for training and facilities. How convenient.

If you don’t train at OGX you better be a great player because if you struggle at any point you will be told it’s because you didn’t train at OGX. One would think it would be great to have a coach that is actually your coach for training as well. That has a host of other issues and it was a nightmare when you wanted to seek additional help.

The specialty at OGX is pitching, hitting is just a throw in. The weight training was a joke. They try to hang their hat on Katie Stewart but if you do a little research you will find that Texas had to make changes to her swing. It was talked about during one of the Texas games on TV, ouch. It’s really a metrics facility at best.

I would always look at a teams GC if you are looking to make a change. I went back and looked at their last two weekends. 176 AB, 40 hits and 42 strikeouts. If my math is correct that’s .228 team avg. As Parent noted in their post they still workout at OGX so that would be a concern if the team had a .228 hitting avg and you’re basically forced to do your hitting there.

It appears you are doing your homework which is a good. I would keep digging.

Re: Extreme Elite 16U National

Posted by @BTDT on November 12, 2024, 7:02 pm, in reply to "Re: Extreme Elite 16U National"

Seems like you have a grudge with this org. I could care less either way, but don't act like its unusual for a coach to change a swing. I went to a clinic where Mike Candrea said he changed freshman swings.

When your job depends on consistency and you are a P5 coach, you change swings!

Re: Extreme Elite 16U National

Posted by NewToTheGame on November 11, 2024, 2:01 pm, in reply to "Re: Extreme Elite 16U National"

I’m new to the softball world and have a younger player, but I find this conversation interesting as I’ve noticed some of these dynamics within our organization. There are a few things I’d like to get others’ thoughts on:

1.Consistency vs. Location of Training:
While I understand the importance of consistent training as players get older, does it really matter where that training happens, as long as it’s being done effectively? Based on some of these posts, it feels like the organization has a “our way or the highway” approach, which would seem frustrating. There are plenty of qualified coaches out there, so telling players and families that they must train here and nowhere else feels odd and, frankly, self-serving. Softball is about so much more than just hitting and pitching—there are many aspects of the game to develop.

2.Tough Competition and College Exposure:
Regarding the comments about playing tough competition and college coaches watching—doesn’t a player’s on-field performance matter the most? If players are competing against peers who may also play in college, how they perform in those situations should carry significant weight. If a team struggles against peers and individual stats (e.g., batting average) reflect that, it seems to say a lot. Am I missing something here?

To me, what a player does in a cage against front toss or a pitching machine shouldn’t hold as much weight as what they do on the field in live competition. Performing in real-game scenarios should be what truly matters, right? Or is there another perspective I’m not considering?

Re: Extreme Elite 16U National

Posted by @newtothegame on November 11, 2024, 3:15 pm, in reply to "Re: Extreme Elite 16U National"

1. I think there is some confusion as to the definition of training versus practice. A lot of the OGX "training" is cage hitting and pitching, which a lot of orgs would call "practice". They also do strength and conditioning as part of those sessions. I think there is value to doing those as part of team activities, as the girls compete with and push each other. Many of the girls have personal hitting, pitching and catching coaches as well, who focus more on mechanics. The OGX coaches have never attempted to change my daughter's base mechanics, but have helped with minor tweaks, I assume because they know she has her own coach. Definitely not a "my way or highway type" deal, but they have introduced her to some new metrics and drills that have been extremely helpful. She spends 4-6 hours per week at OGX, opposed to an hour with a private coach, so lots of reps under coaches watch, and accountability.
2. Coaches look at a lot more than GC stats (if they look at those at all). They know when you are playing weak competition. If you daughter wants D1, they need to play against teams that coaches consider to be at that level. A .228 BA only means that some girls hit .400 and other girls hit .075 in one specific tournament. College coaches understand that happens, and hopefully its not the same girls every week.

Re: Extreme Elite 16U National

Posted by 18u bid on November 11, 2024, 1:51 pm, in reply to "Re: Extreme Elite 16U National"

Of course it is a different team, but as you were posting your rant the 18u team earned their bid to Alliance Nationals.Must be that horrid OGX training they've had for a few years. Probably should point out that about half of the 16u girls with the tragic team batting average have only been at OGX 8 weeks so far.Give them time!

Re: Extreme Elite 16U National

Posted by @18u Bid on November 12, 2024, 8:16 am, in reply to "Re: Extreme Elite 16U National"

I think EE is a good org and don’t have any problem with it, but pointing to the 18u Alliance bid as some sort of validation is funny.

They had a first round bye, won a game, lost twice, and then had two forfeits.

Re: Extreme Elite 16U National

Posted by WeWereThere on November 11, 2024, 3:57 pm, in reply to "Re: Extreme Elite 16U National"

My daughters team was there this weekend. Your 18u team won one bracket game lost the last two and got lucky when the Midwest Speed teams left town. That’s how weak Alliance is they hand out bids to their national tournament to a team that lost its last two games and only won one bracket game. I wouldn’t go around advertising that. Go and actually win something.

Re: Extreme Elite 16U National

Posted by @WeWereThere on November 15, 2024, 7:41 am, in reply to "Re: Extreme Elite 16U National"

I've been on this board for longer than I'd like to admit and was here when it was free-range, and this is one of the most pathetic responses I have ever seen!!

Not only bash a bunch of 16-year-olds but take it a step further and bash Alliance.. 2 for 1.

They have a set amount of bids for the tournament are they supposed to take them back based on the results or who and how they got them?

"Go and actually win something." What have you won, you have spoken like a true person who yells to professional athletes then when confronted cowards

Re: Extreme Elite 16U National

Posted by Haters gonna hate on November 13, 2024, 2:53 pm, in reply to "Re: Extreme Elite 16U National"

Bashing kids it’s just weird. Extreme National teams seek out and play good competition. They aren’t hiding out in mediocre tournaments. The 18’s also took T-9th at Nationals losing a walk-off to keep them out of top 8. As with any team they had ups and downs this fall. They played two very high level teams at Top 25 the weekend prior losing 3-2 and then winning 3-2 in bracket. Looks like they ended not so great and took a big loss there but so have many other solid teams. Not their fault teams forfeited at the Qualifier. Stop whining and focus on your kid and what they need to do to get better. Bunch of middle aged weirdos going through 16 and 17 year old stats. When your kids graduate you’re about to get real bored until they have grandkids and you jack up their sports experience too.

Re: Extreme Elite 16U National

Posted by Creepy on November 10, 2024, 8:29 pm, in reply to "Re: Extreme Elite 16U National"

Littlw creepy that yoi are so obsessed with this team you manually calculated BA off GC. Only a moron would use GC to make a decision on what college exposure team to play for.

Re: Extreme Elite 16U National

Posted by StopIt on November 11, 2024, 2:03 pm, in reply to "Re: Extreme Elite 16U National"

This cracks me up. If you're here looking at this forum, you know you're watching other teams. It doesn't take that long to do that calculation.

Re: Extreme Elite 16U National

Posted by @creepy on November 11, 2024, 12:42 pm, in reply to "Re: Extreme Elite 16U National"

good job avoiding all of the other very reasonable and on-point details of the post

Re: Extreme Elite 16U National

Posted by On point on November 11, 2024, 2:42 pm, in reply to "Re: Extreme Elite 16U National"

Fine, here we go:

You cherry picked two high level tournaments, whem more than half the girls started at OGX only four weeks before playing to claim OGX can't train.

You critcized the common leadership of OGX and Extreme Elite when it is very common for teams and facilities to be related.

I'd bet 95% of players on a P5 team end up making some mechanical changes. That's why they have coaches. Any local coach should be able to admit they don't know as much as P5 coaches. If a coach can get a player to a school like Texas that is a great accomplishment.

My daughter still uses an outside coach but trains multiple days at OGX. Works great, no issues with OGX.

Most teams have a head coach that is involved with hitting and pitching practice and training. Can't imagine why that is a problem to you.

They playing against more than a few high level recruited pitchers in Scenic City. The hitting isn't at that level yet, no doubt. But they now have goals and experience facing that.

Re: Extreme Elite 16U National

Posted by one point on November 11, 2024, 2:52 pm, in reply to "Re: Extreme Elite 16U National"

It is generally referred to as P4 now and not P5. Other than that, very, very knowlegible.

Re: Extreme Elite 16U National

Posted by NotBeenThereLately on November 10, 2024, 1:50 pm, in reply to "Re: Extreme Elite 16U National"

Not sure what you are talking about, "have a coach that is actually the coach for training"- the head coach of this team is at every training session.

Not sure what you are talking about "if you don't train at OGX..." all players on the team train there, it is part of the team fee.

Always look at GC before making a change- take a look at the level of teams they have been playing. Easy to rack up a high team average when you play weak competition.

Your daughter never played for this coach, sounds like a disgruntled OP A's parent from years ago.

Re: Extreme Elite 16U National

Posted by Hmmmmm on November 10, 2024, 9:50 am, in reply to "Re: Extreme Elite 16U National"

Dear upset parent, what team was your kid cut from? If you are looking at fall numbers you don’t get the big picture. Anyone can win games in easy tourneys but these teams are playing at the highest level every weekend in front of dozens of D1 coaches and getting personalcamp invites on the regular. Holding kids responsible for working out is a good thing. Would you rather be on a team where players don’t have hitting or pitching coaches and just show up on Sat for tourneys?? What is your long term goal for your athlete?

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